From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug  1 14:26:37 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 21:26:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] 2010 Tolkien Seminar: comments
In-Reply-To: <1855913603044087B691F659CAB893B4@Michael>
Message-ID: <361394.12462.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've now got a web version of the Seminar CFP flyer on a web page - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/Tolkien_Seminar_MelbAug2010_CFP.html
and it's referenced on the current Bullsheet - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au
That site is generously provided by the Western Australian Science Fiction Foundation, however the Bullsheet covers fantasy as well as science fiction - as do the "Science Fiction" Conventions - and there is a lot of space on the site. However, if David would like to have it on his domain that's fine.

--- On Sun, 26/7/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

Ted, as always, expertly done! It did trouble me a little that it was longer
than a single page, but I need worry no longer. If everyone else is happy I
will submit this as is.???





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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug  1 17:43:33 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:43:33 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] 2010 Tolkien Seminar: comments
In-Reply-To: <361394.12462.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <361394.12462.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I've now got a web version of the Seminar CFP flyer on a web page - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/Tolkien_Seminar_MelbAug2010_CFP.html
> and it's referenced on the current Bullsheet - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au
> That site is generously provided by the Western Australian Science Fiction Foundation, however the Bullsheet covers fantasy as well as science fiction - as do the "Science Fiction" Conventions - and there is a lot of space on the site. However, if David would like to have it on his domain that's fine.

Ted,

If you could send me a copy of the page, including graphics, all in a 
zip file, I can put it on the tol harndor site.

cheers,
David


> 
> --- On Sun, 26/7/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Ted, as always, expertly done! It did trouble me a little that it was longer
> than a single page, but I need worry no longer. If everyone else is happy I
> will submit this as is.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug  1 17:45:50 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 01 Aug 2009 17:45:50 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] 2010 Tolkien Seminar: comments
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PS: Graphics are not showing up on the page, just the place markers for 
them.

cheers,
David

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I've now got a web version of the Seminar CFP flyer on a web page - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/Tolkien_Seminar_MelbAug2010_CFP.html
> and it's referenced on the current Bullsheet - http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au
> That site is generously provided by the Western Australian Science Fiction Foundation, however the Bullsheet covers fantasy as well as science fiction - as do the "Science Fiction" Conventions - and there is a lot of space on the site. However, if David would like to have it on his domain that's fine.
> 
> --- On Sun, 26/7/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Ted, as always, expertly done! It did trouble me a little that it was longer
> than a single page, but I need worry no longer. If everyone else is happy I
> will submit this as is.   
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug  1 19:11:15 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:11:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] 2010 Tolkien Seminar: comments
In-Reply-To: <4A73F2AE.5060302@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <156137.55024.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try again. I had backslashes instead of forward slashes.

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PS: Graphics are not showing up on the page, just the place markers for them.





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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug  1 19:16:42 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] 2010 Tolkien Seminar: comments
In-Reply-To: <4A73F225.2040705@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <52684.94077.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


Hi David.

The site, now linked to the August Bullsheet, is

http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/tolkienseminarmelbaug2010cfp.html

I'll get it to you tomorrow, but you can get all you need from the site. It's just a html file and two graphics.


--- On Sat, 1/8/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:


Ted,

If you could send me a copy of the page, including graphics, all in a zip file, I can put it on the tol harndor site.





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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug  2 09:57:44 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2009 16:57:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor]
 =?utf-8?q?Tolkien=E2=80=99s_Heirs_Want_Production_of?=
 =?utf-8?b?IOKAmFRoZSBIb2JiaXTigJkgRmlsbSBTdG9wcGVk?=
In-Reply-To: <52684.94077.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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http://www.schoollibraryjournal.com/index.asp?layout=talkBackCommentsFull&articleid=CA6673069&talk_back_header_id=6611926

or

http://tinyurl.com/nxajej

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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug  3 09:02:23 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 09:02:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <7qcqa0$i3rhe@outbound-mail03.westnet.com.au>
References: <7qcqa0$i3rhe@outbound-mail03.westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20090803090223.2e345t4c0ocowo0s@roots-boots.net>

G'day Ted,

The problem is different email software displays and handles html  
differently and when you email a file the email software adds code to  
the file (headers etc). As I said, the cleanest way is to zip the html  
and any associated pix and email that. Zips are treated as binary  
files and so arrive unaltered. Html's are treated as text files. So  
are RTF's, which is why sometimes you can have trouble there .. I've  
occasionally gotten an RTF as an inline email and not as a save-able  
attachment. Anyway, I got it off your site and when I have the time  
I'll put it on the TH site.

On a different note, the TH site (and mail list) is on a different  
server now (still with the same webhost) ... so it has a different IP  
address, one which should overcome problems some had with email from me.

cheers,
David

"Edwin A. Scribner" <krenon at westnet.com.au>:

>  Hi David. You wrote:
>
>> I got a copy off your site. Alas, you can't email html files .. the
> code
> gets screwed up by mail readers. You need to zip the whole lot and
> then
> email the zip as an attachment.
>
> I had no problems with emailing a html file to myself. I use Eudora
> 4. That is an old program but its great virtue to me is that it
> doesn't encrypt mail. I know that Outlook Express does, but even with
> that I thought that you could copy and paste it from the letter
> reader. In any case, it's very easy to pick up both the html and the
> graphics using a web browser. Obviously ftp works for html files, and
> so apparently does smtp which is what Eudora uses.
>
> Anyway, the seminar notice is now happily ensconced on the domain
> that the Western Australian Science Fiction Foundation has generously
> lent the Bullsheet team.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted



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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug  3 10:37:12 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2009 10:37:12 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <7qcqa0$i40gh@outbound-mail03.westnet.com.au>
References: <7qcqa0$i40gh@outbound-mail03.westnet.com.au>
Message-ID: <20090803103712.yclcfs397kk4wkks@roots-boots.net>

Ted,

Re the list's IP address .. apparently some time ago (years) another  
user on the same server I was on (with a shared IP address) was  
blacklisted as part of a spam-bot net. The web host quickly killed it,  
but once an IP address is listed it is VERY had to delist it. Easier  
to change the IP address, in this case by shifting the whole account  
onto another server and getting a new shared IP address. The new IP is  
clean. Also faster. :)

> OK, we're on the same wavelength re mailing non text articles, though I've
> never had any problems with either .doc, .rtf, .html or .jpg etc documents.

Often there's no trouble .. sometimes there is. :(

It's not just your email software and mine that inserts code, but your  
mail server, mine and all the servers the email passes thru' to get  
from you to me also insert code. Binary files are treated as  
attachments and are not affected but text (including txt, html, rtf  
and some other formats) all have the extra code inserted ... what does  
one expect from a jury rigged system? :)

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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug  4 10:02:04 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 10:02:04 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <52684.94077.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908031702p20ee1bc3ue3506ec0b9c9d1e9@mail.gmail.com>

Ted has Dylan arrived?
He left here wrapped up and seemed sober enough (for Dylan) .....
The wind here today is enough to convince half a man thta summer would neer
return again to Sunnie brunnie.......................bushfires a blast from
the past never to com near as fifteen ks from here amore.
that was the almost weather report....Today's film is another
J. L. Goddard.film.....'The Nun'...... a tale written by Diderot; Denis
Diderot.....anybody know of Diderot?....would not mind writing a piece  on
him...I started research on subject last night...true dinks!
jeff

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 10:35:31 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:35:31 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <52684.94077.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908041735q3f95dd0x118eef7024454c05@mail.gmail.com>

Ted ...........Thomas?
Weather report ...........Eastern and southern waters settling........after
rain (two nights in a row)
Sad to say I have not had time as yet to further study the Cricket
scoresheets and cricket club papers and reports.....
from The Shire
...If I was worried that they might be fakes...like the Hitler Journals say?
what test could I do to tell this (David?)
jeff

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug  5 10:38:29 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 5 Aug 2009 10:38:29 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <52684.94077.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908041738o7b475abqd4b487b705971217@mail.gmail.com>

>
> . <List at tolharndor.org>To quote Ted (Mikhail!)...on seminar.



> Michael is the obvious bunny!

jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Aug  5 16:23:04 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 4 Aug 2009 23:23:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor]
 =?utf-8?q?Tolkien=E2=80=99s_Heirs_Want_Production_of?=
 =?utf-8?b?IOKAmFRoZSBIb2JiaXTigJkgRmlsbSBTdG9wcGVk?=
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908041738o7b475abqd4b487b705971217@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Jeff! You're quoting that out of context!? 

But Michael is the obvious person to deliver the keynote address. Of course if he says that you should do it, fine.

--- On Wed, 5/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> . <List at tolharndor.org>To quote Ted (Mikhail!)...on seminar.


> Michael is the obvious bunny!





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Aug  6 09:38:44 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 09:38:44 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908041738o7b475abqd4b487b705971217@mail.gmail.com>
	<74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908051638o39c18620i52933f2cb9032c33@mail.gmail.com>

No Ted (Thankee) no lectures from this bunny (in public)
I am putting my hand up for the welcoming speech.....M says that he WILL be
the MC!
if required I think.....and I think that he is.
Glad to hear that Dylan is with you.
Mmmm Diderot was the editor of the famous Encylocpedia (by the
philosophes........possibly second only in fame and influence in 18th C
France to Voltaire...see Ted This brings us back full circle.....everything
is connected......Diderot went to Russia...to St Petersburg indeed..... (for
Catherine the Great) but only (I think for 5 months.........was she too
great for him?
@ age 30 (diderot) married in secret dunno why?
He knew Rousseau v well and Voltaire too ....he wrote 'THe Nun' which I saw
in film form the day before......today I see another film.....made by a
Spanish director....said to be the oldest film director (commercially
viable?) in the planet.......it is a love story.
Well wild and western or northerly winds do wind round our sheets in West
Brunwick with willingness this day
love jeff



On Wed, Aug 5, 2009 at 4:23 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Jeff! You're quoting that out of context!
>
> But Michael is the obvious person to deliver the keynote address. Of course
> if he says that you should do it, fine.
>
> --- On Wed, 5/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > . <List at tolharndor.org>To quote Ted (Mikhail!)...on seminar.
>
>
> > Michael is the obvious bunny!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Thu Aug  6 10:08:26 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 10:08:26 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CA5C2BECC67446ACBCB9121FFEF339CA@Michael>

Hi All,

Ah! I was talking to someone from the TS about our proposed Seminar in
response to our Call for Papers, when I discovered that this year's TS
Seminar just held was entitled 'Journeys and Destinations'. I'm not sure how
I missed that but it's a complete oversight on my behalf.

Admittedly, the theme of 'odyssey' has some distinct differences, let alone
the fact that it is being held on the other side of the world next year.
However, it may just be too closely related for everyone to be happy. 

Ian (from the TS) is going to speak with a few other TS members to see if
it's a genuine problem. At this stage I doubt that we will have to look at a
new theme, but it is a possibility.  

I'll keep you posted.

Michael

PS. It may be preferable to remove the Call for Papers for now just in case.
However, if it's a real hassle to do so don't bother as I know you have put
a lot of work in getting it formatted and primed for web publication. 





From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Aug  6 20:04:55 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <CA5C2BECC67446ACBCB9121FFEF339CA@Michael>
Message-ID: <671460.76397.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've left the "call for papers" on the Australian Science Fiction Bullsheet #89 but I've indicated that the subject is currently under review and that more information will be posted when available. I've also made similar changes to the "call for papers" web page, the url of which is http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/tolkienseminarmelbaug2010cfp.html

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:



Hi All,

Ah! I was talking to someone from the TS about our proposed Seminar in
response to our Call for Papers, when I discovered that this year's TS
Seminar just held was entitled 'Journeys and Destinations'. I'm not sure how
I missed that but it's a complete oversight on my behalf.

Admittedly, the theme of 'odyssey' has some distinct differences, let alone
the fact that it is being held on the other side of the world next year.
However, it may just be too closely related for everyone to be happy. 

Ian (from the TS) is going to speak with a few other TS members to see if
it's a genuine problem. At this stage I doubt that we will have to look at a
new theme, but it is a possibility.? 

I'll keep you posted.

Michael

PS. It may be preferable to remove the Call for Papers for now just in case.
However, if it's a real hassle to do so don't bother as I know you have put
a lot of work in getting it formatted and primed for web publication. 




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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Thu Aug  6 20:23:21 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 20:23:21 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <671460.76397.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <671460.76397.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7AAF19.5010606@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I've left the "call for papers" on the Australian Science Fiction Bullsheet
 > 89 but I've indicated that the subject is currently under review and
 > that more information will be posted when available..

I've updated the page on the TH site, but left the current working theme 
there and just added a note that it is under review and contact Michael 
for the latest news.

cheers,
David


. I've also made similar changes to the "call for papers" web page, the 
url of which is 
http://www.bullsheet.sf.org.au/tolkienseminarmelbaug2010cfp.html
> 
> --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Ah! I was talking to someone from the TS about our proposed Seminar in
> response to our Call for Papers, when I discovered that this year's TS
> Seminar just held was entitled 'Journeys and Destinations'. I'm not sure how
> I missed that but it's a complete oversight on my behalf.
> 
> Admittedly, the theme of 'odyssey' has some distinct differences, let alone
> the fact that it is being held on the other side of the world next year.
> However, it may just be too closely related for everyone to be happy. 
> 
> Ian (from the TS) is going to speak with a few other TS members to see if
> it's a genuine problem. At this stage I doubt that we will have to look at a
> new theme, but it is a possibility.  
> 
> I'll keep you posted.
> 
> Michael
> 
> PS. It may be preferable to remove the Call for Papers for now just in case.
> However, if it's a real hassle to do so don't bother as I know you have put
> a lot of work in getting it formatted and primed for web publication. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Aug  6 20:28:45 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 03:28:45 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <CA5C2BECC67446ACBCB9121FFEF339CA@Michael>
Message-ID: <358183.20420.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Here are the original ideas put forward by Michael:

- Tolkien Unplugged 

- Tolkien through the Ages

- Tolkien - mythology, modernity and orcs? ???

- Tolkien - the good, the bad and the ugly.

- Tolkien and journeys!
?
I don't favour "unplugged". "Through the ages" holds some appeal but it can be interpreted
several ways. "Mythology, modernity and orcs" would look better to me without the orcs. "The good the bad and the ugly" makes no appeal with me. I think a better topic could be derived by playing with the concepts of myth and contemporary times. People living in different periods of history are likely to interpret all things, myth included, differently, and even over the past 50 years, the interpretation of Tolkien's major creative works (as opposed to translations) has changed at least to some extent. While I don't especially favour dealing with the movies, yet they do indicate the direction of changes to the perceptions of readers. 
?
Based on a topic along those lines, I would look for evidence of differing interpretations over the period 1955 to 2005, concentrating on The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion. Individual papers could concentrate on a small or larger part of the above compendium.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


Hi All,

Ah! I was talking to someone from the TS about our proposed Seminar in
response to our Call for Papers, when I discovered that this year's TS
Seminar just held was entitled 'Journeys and Destinations'. I'm not sure how
I missed that but it's a complete oversight on my behalf.

Admittedly, the theme of 'odyssey' has some distinct differences, let alone
the fact that it is being held on the other side of the world next year.
However, it may just be too closely related for everyone to be happy. 

Ian (from the TS) is going to speak with a few other TS members to see if
it's a genuine problem. At this stage I doubt that we will have to look at a
new theme, but it is a possibility.? 

I'll keep you posted.

Michael

PS. It may be preferable to remove the Call for Papers for now just in case.
However, if it's a real hassle to do so don't bother as I know you have put
a lot of work in getting it formatted and primed for web publication. 



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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug  7 07:55:30 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 14:55:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <358183.20420.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've had a thought regarding "Tolkien Unplugged".

I didn't like it because it appeared to mean "Tolkien disconnected from a source" or similar. How about "Tolkien Uncorked"? My thought there is that Tolkien's works could be considered as a large bottle almost full. It was uncorked briefly to let out "The Hobbit", "LOTR" and several smaller works such as "On Fairy Stories", "Leaf By Niggle", "Smith of Wootton Major" and "Farmer Giles of Ham". The vast bulk of his writing was "still in the bottle" at his death. Fortunately, Christopher Tolkien has just about "drained the bottle" in the following 35 years - just about but there are still a few drops left, including (if rumours are correct) a translation of Beowulf.

I think, therefore, that "Tolkien Uncorked" gives plenty of scope to discuss all the posthumously published works of Tolkien. I am particularly interested in discussing one or more. Peter Wilkin, you will recall, discussed one at the first Australian Tolkien seminar, indeed his BA(Hons) thesis is based on that work - the Notion Club Papers.

--- On Thu, 6/8/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
?I think a better topic could be derived by playing with the concepts of myth and contemporary times. People living in different periods of history are likely to interpret all things, myth included, differently, and even over the past 50 years, the interpretation of Tolkien's major creative works (as opposed to translations) has changed at least to some extent. While I don't especially favour dealing with the movies, yet they do indicate the direction of changes to the perceptions of readers. 
?
Based on a topic along those lines, I would look for evidence of differing interpretations over the period 1955 to 2005, concentrating on The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion. Individual papers could concentrate on a small or larger part of the above compendium.





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug  7 09:06:33 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 09:06:33 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <358183.20420.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Uncorked? The Hobbits sure would have liked that Ted. beer five times a
day..and that life lifting drink?
Moi aussi. (like it I mean)....Shire cricket comes under the purview of
'uncorked' undootedly
jeff
PS....Rained most of the night with warm winds then turned (the wind not the
rain) to cold encore..
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I've had a thought regarding "Tolkien Unplugged".
>
> I didn't like it because it appeared to mean "Tolkien disconnected from a
> source" or similar. How about "Tolkien Uncorked"? My thought there is that
> Tolkien's works could be considered as a large bottle almost full. It was
> uncorked briefly to let out "The Hobbit", "LOTR" and several smaller works
> such as "On Fairy Stories", "Leaf By Niggle", "Smith of Wootton Major" and
> "Farmer Giles of Ham". The vast bulk of his writing was "still in the
> bottle" at his death. Fortunately, Christopher Tolkien has just about
> "drained the bottle" in the following 35 years - just about but there are
> still a few drops left, including (if rumours are correct) a translation of
> Beowulf.
>
> I think, therefore, that "Tolkien Uncorked" gives plenty of scope to
> discuss all the posthumously published works of Tolkien. I am particularly
> interested in discussing one or more. Peter Wilkin, you will recall,
> discussed one at the first Australian Tolkien seminar, indeed his BA(Hons)
> thesis is based on that work - the Notion Club Papers.
>
> --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>  I think a better topic could be derived by playing with the concepts of
> myth and contemporary times. People living in different periods of history
> are likely to interpret all things, myth included, differently, and even
> over the past 50 years, the interpretation of Tolkien's major creative works
> (as opposed to translations) has changed at least to some extent. While I
> don't especially favour dealing with the movies, yet they do indicate the
> direction of changes to the perceptions of readers.
>
> Based on a topic along those lines, I would look for evidence of differing
> interpretations over the period 1955 to 2005, concentrating on The Hobbit,
> The Lord of the Rings and The Silmarillion. Individual papers could
> concentrate on a small or larger part of the above compendium.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug  7 09:30:14 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 6 Aug 2009 16:30:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908061606v64ccdc9fo2bfc39089a1ed71c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <768782.70719.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I must admit I hadn't thought of that, Jeff. Yes. Although I can't see beer in the Shire being in corked bottles, nevertheless, with a new subject wanted for the seminar and your perceived endorsement - it's starting to look good. It may even smell good! :)

--- On Fri, 7/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Uncorked? The Hobbits sure would have liked that Ted. beer five times a
day..and that life lifting drink?
Moi aussi. (like it I mean)....Shire cricket comes under the purview of
'uncorked' undootedly
jeff
PS....Rained most of the night with warm winds then turned (the wind not the
rain) to cold encore..
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Aug  8 09:42:39 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 09:42:39 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <358183.20420.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Oh yeah.......and What Happened...to Beowulf as trans by the Prof Ted..I was
interested and then heard nowt nothing nil?
Jeff
PS 102 runs by the poms Mikhail?
Surely meaning tied @ one test each.......Last test standing....augers well
for some fun mayhaps....Cricket ain't life, but it's sure as hell a lot
bloody like it. ( J.L.)

From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug  8 09:59:06 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 7 Aug 2009 16:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908071642q3dc7a53dy644079bad3ae5fac@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <656637.47744.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I've heard nothing either, Jeff. I hope Christopher Tolkien does something soon. He's getting very old and - for reasons connected with Peter Jackson and New Line (to say nothing of his son Simon) - crotchety.

--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Oh yeah.......and What Happened...to Beowulf as trans by the Prof Ted..I was
interested and then heard nowt nothing nil?
Jeff
PS 102 runs by the poms Mikhail?
Surely meaning tied @ one test each.......Last test standing....augers well
for some fun mayhaps....Cricket ain't life, but it's sure as hell a lot
bloody like it. ( J.L.)




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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug  8 17:24:52 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:24:52 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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References: <681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D2844.7040302@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I've had a thought regarding "Tolkien Unplugged".
> 
> I didn't like it because ...

Don't like it myself, tho' not for the reason you gave. "So and so 
Unplugged" is such a commonly used phrase, so using it here just seems 
so, well, pedestrian. It also has connotations of 2nd rate and has been 
musicians trying to make a comeback by doing something "different" .. 
that many others in a similar boat have already tried.

 > How about "Tolkien Uncorked"? My thought there is that Tolkien's
 > works could be considered as a large bottle almost full. It was
 > uncorked briefly to let out "The Hobbit", "LOTR" and several smaller
 > works .. The vast bulk of his writing was "still in the bottle" at his
 > death.

I can see your logic .. but anyone reading "Tolkien uncorked" would 
immediately think of beverages. Maybe clarify the subject .. "Tolkien 
uncorked: The posthumous publications", tho' that's a bit unwieldy.

cheers,
David
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug  8 17:27:30 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 08 Aug 2009 17:27:30 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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References: <768782.70719.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4A7D28E2.3080804@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I must admit I hadn't thought of that, Jeff. Yes. Although I can't see beer in
 > the Shire being in corked bottles ...

For much of history beer was not a carbonated beverage, so corked in 
large jugs would be a quite satisfactory means of storage. Most aussie 
beer swillers .. err, drinkers ... would shudder at the thought of 
quaffing warm, flat beer ... but that's how it's been drunk thru' all of 
history apart from the last 100 years or so.

cheers,
David

> --- On Fri, 7/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Uncorked? The Hobbits sure would have liked that Ted. beer five times a
> day..and that life lifting drink?
> Moi aussi. (like it I mean)....Shire cricket comes under the purview of
> 'uncorked' undootedly
> jeff
> PS....Rained most of the night with warm winds then turned (the wind not the
> rain) to cold encore..
> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 7:55 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug  8 20:36:43 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 8 Aug 2009 03:36:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <4A7D2844.7040302@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <276116.60847.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

It doesn't need to stand alone without explanation. The "odysseys" subject had considerable following text to indicate its purpose. My main idea was not so much the use of "uncorked" as a cute metaphor, but to make a large amount of Tolkien's writing a legitimate subject for a seminar paper. If Jeff likes the association with Shire cricket, so much the better. We now await Michael's view.

--- On Sat, 8/8/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:



I can see your logic .. but anyone reading "Tolkien uncorked" would immediately think of beverages. Maybe clarify the subject .. "Tolkien uncorked: The posthumous publications", tho' that's a bit unwieldy.




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Aug  9 09:36:54 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 09:36:54 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
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Everything is obvious after the fact Mihkail do not worry.......(I mean the
TS Journeys and such.)...it seems that we will have to travel away from this
topic a bit....you cannot see every move from your seat,.......you are
always moving too much yourself......Plane truth.
So what must it be?...? ?
Or a Lenin said What Is To Be Done?
Jeff
Cold dry and trying hard, in a wintry way; to be sunny.
Future Aussie Cricket Captain wins through yet again....best batter of the
series?

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Aug  9 18:29:38 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 18:29:38 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <276116.60847.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2BAC888CAC684EC38FF248FDD639E246@Michael>

Hi All,

Thanks for all your input on this. I've been away at a conference for the
last few days so I haven't had time to go through the propositions in any
detail, but I will reply in full tomorrow as I'll be taking the day off -
yay for me. ;-) 

Tonight it's all about the cricket! Actually, the way its going it may last
less than an hour anyway. 

More soon!

Michael


> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Saturday, 8 August 2009 8:37 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> It doesn't need to stand alone without explanation. The
> "odysseys" subject had considerable following text to indicate
> its purpose. My main idea was not so much the use of "uncorked"
> as a cute metaphor, but to make a large amount of Tolkien's
> writing a legitimate subject for a seminar paper. If Jeff likes
> the association with Shire cricket, so much the better. We now
> await Michael's view.
> 
> --- On Sat, 8/8/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> I can see your logic .. but anyone reading "Tolkien uncorked"
> would immediately think of beverages. Maybe clarify the
> subject .. "Tolkien uncorked: The posthumous publications",
> tho' that's a bit unwieldy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug  9 19:20:02 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 9 Aug 2009 02:20:02 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <2BAC888CAC684EC38FF248FDD639E246@Michael>
Message-ID: <538521.7243.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael. I'll be out all day tomorrow and probably won't turn my computer on until Tuesday morning.

Cheers

Ted

--- On Sun, 9/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

Hi All,

Thanks for all your input on this. I've been away at a conference for the
last few days so I haven't had time to go through the propositions in any
detail, but I will reply in full tomorrow as I'll be taking the day off -
yay for me. ;-) 

Tonight it's all about the cricket! Actually, the way its going it may last
less than an hour anyway. 

More soon!

Michael





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 10 09:23:07 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 09:23:07 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <2BAC888CAC684EC38FF248FDD639E246@Michael>
References: <276116.60847.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko

...we won!
A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
And I thought that you were a workaholic M?

At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
John Milton
jeff

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Aug 10 17:10:04 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 17:10:04 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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Message-ID: <F8E31F547B92477BA75C624E8080ABA2@Michael>

I need to read more John Milton!

Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give us mortals nothing
unless you work hard. Something like that, although I don't recall who wrote
it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin. 

Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes, no trains, just the
automobile and if I'm lucky a bike. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> 
> ...we won!
> A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> 
> At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> John Milton
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Aug 10 19:28:56 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 19:28:56 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <681428.7136.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CF217D9942044D03BE13F9299645F2F3@Michael>

Ted,

Thanks again for putting some ideas forward. While I can understand and
quite like the meaning and logic behind 'Tolkien Uncorked' I am not quite as
taken with the title. I can't put my finger on it exactly but it is slightly
jarring to the ear. Maybe it will grow on me. I am certainly not ruling it
out completely as it may be the best alternative if we require one.

Personally, I would still prefer 'unplugged'. Literally, it means to perform
acoustically rather than electronically, but more generally, to free from
obstruction.  Perhaps it's too obscure though and my interpretation would
not be that of the majority.

I'm still hopeful that we can stick to our original plan. I will know for
sure on Wednesday when I hear back from Ian in the TS. If they're okay with
it then we will run the Odyssey. 

A couple of other ideas came to mind too. 

Tolkien's Middle-earth - a World for our Time

Tolkien's Middle-earth - the Victors and the Vanquished

The first one is more general than the latter.

Michael








> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Friday, 7 August 2009 7:56 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> I've had a thought regarding "Tolkien Unplugged".
> 
> I didn't like it because it appeared to mean "Tolkien
> disconnected from a source" or similar. How about "Tolkien
> Uncorked"? My thought there is that Tolkien's works could be
> considered as a large bottle almost full. It was uncorked
> briefly to let out "The Hobbit", "LOTR" and several smaller
> works such as "On Fairy Stories", "Leaf By Niggle", "Smith of
> Wootton Major" and "Farmer Giles of Ham". The vast bulk of his
> writing was "still in the bottle" at his death. Fortunately,
> Christopher Tolkien has just about "drained the bottle" in the
> following 35 years - just about but there are still a few drops
> left, including (if rumours are correct) a translation of
> Beowulf.
> 
> I think, therefore, that "Tolkien Uncorked" gives plenty of
> scope to discuss all the posthumously published works of
> Tolkien. I am particularly interested in discussing one or more.
> Peter Wilkin, you will recall, discussed one at the first
> Australian Tolkien seminar, indeed his BA(Hons) thesis is based
> on that work - the Notion Club Papers.
> 
> --- On Thu, 6/8/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> ?I think a better topic could be derived by playing with the
> concepts of myth and contemporary times. People living in
> different periods of history are likely to interpret all things,
> myth included, differently, and even over the past 50 years,
> the interpretation of Tolkien's major creative works (as
> opposed to translations) has changed at least to some extent.
> While I don't especially favour dealing with the movies, yet
> they do indicate the direction of changes to the perceptions of
> readers.
> 
> Based on a topic along those lines, I would look for evidence
> of differing interpretations over the period 1955 to 2005,
> concentrating on The Hobbit, The Lord of the Rings and The
> Silmarillion. Individual papers could concentrate on a small or
> larger part of the above compendium.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:22:42 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <CF217D9942044D03BE13F9299645F2F3@Michael>
References: <CF217D9942044D03BE13F9299645F2F3@Michael>
Message-ID: <20090811092242.hlzxpp8dsscogkwg@roots-boots.net>

Hi all,

Michael sent this to the list but the software blocked it because it  
had a 7M attachment. If anyone wants the attachment, let me know and  
I'll forward it to them individually. Since most, if not all, in this  
group do not fit the asked for demographic, I'll refrain from clogging  
up everyone's mail box.

They're looking for some under 30yo single geeks ... reading between  
the lions and knowing their reputation, I daresay any volunteers will  
be publically humiliated on national TV. Some may get their jollies  
from that ...

cheers,
List Moderator
                 -----------------------------------

 From Michael:

I've received some funny e-mails in my time but this one takes the cake as
its dead-serious. As requested I'm forwarding it on to the group. Oh, if I
was only ten years younger. ;-)



   _____

From: Ewa Dobrowolska
Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 11:40 AM
To: mlk at activ8.net.au
Subject: Beauty & the Geek auditions


Hi Michael,

This email is a bit out of left field but I hope you might be able to help
me out or point me in the right direction.

I work for Southern Star, which is a TV production company and we're
currently looking to cast super-smart and single guys (aged 18-30) for the
Australian version of "Beauty and the Geek". Please don't let the title turn
you off, as we're genuinely looking for intelligent guys but also guys who
are willing to put themselves outside of their comfort zones and brush up on
their social skills.

We're also after guys with a special interest.hence my email to the Tolkien
Society!

We are holding auditions in our North Sydney offices today and tomorrow
(10th and 11th August) so it would be great if you could please pass this
email on to anyone you think might be interested in the show. I appreciate
that the show isn't for everyone but if you have any further questions
please give me a call on 9202 8920

Successful applications will be needed for filming from 1st September until
the 7th October in a Sydney location.

Many thanks for your time,

Ewa.






Ewa Dobrowolska
Producer




Southern Star Entertainment   |  Beauty and the Geek
Level 9, 8 West Street  |  North Sydney  | NSW  | 2060
T +61 2 9202 8920  F
www.southernstargroup.com



From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 11 09:31:45 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 11 Aug 2009 09:31:45 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <F8E31F547B92477BA75C624E8080ABA2@Michael>
References: <ecc18000908091623r6479c45fyeb9f2040d9dcbb3e@mail.gmail.com>
	<F8E31F547B92477BA75C624E8080ABA2@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908101631u5b6a0847ib754af48914082e1@mail.gmail.com>

...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose piece of his
named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best prohibitions of censorship
ever written......I still recall this...........
' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very day....fed bullshit by
rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not fed'.....a blind
poet writes...

Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this show as Beauty or
the Geek?
.........jeff
On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> I need to read more John Milton!
>
> Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give us mortals
> nothing
> unless you work hard. Something like that, although I don't recall who
> wrote
> it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
>
> Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes, no trains, just the
> automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> >
>  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> >
> > ...we won!
> > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> >
> > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > John Milton
> > jeff
>  > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Aug 12 16:10:46 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 16:10:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908101631u5b6a0847ib754af48914082e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A504C27DCFF249D78C1A6ECE06925599@Michael>

Jeff,

I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'! 

Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
> piece of his
> named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best prohibitions
> of censorship
> ever written......I still recall this...........
> ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very day....fed
> bullshit by
> rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> fed'.....a blind
> poet writes...
> 
> Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this show as
> Beauty or
> the Geek?
> .........jeff
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > I need to read more John Milton!
> >
> > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give us
> mortals
> > nothing
> > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I don't
> recall who
> > wrote
> > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> >
> > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes, no
> trains, just the
> > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > >
> >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > >
> > > ...we won!
> > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > >
> > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > John Milton
> > > jeff
> >  > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Aug 13 10:15:36 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:15:36 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <A504C27DCFF249D78C1A6ECE06925599@Michael>
References: <ecc18000908101631u5b6a0847ib754af48914082e1@mail.gmail.com>
	<A504C27DCFF249D78C1A6ECE06925599@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908121715p36bc2fd4see36b949788a0640@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mikhail,
I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the last 70 k's..
between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it (Lake
Mulwala)...Google Same......
that is the weather report for Thursday
jeff

On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
>
> Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> >
> > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
> > piece of his
> > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best prohibitions
> > of censorship
> > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very day....fed
> > bullshit by
> > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > fed'.....a blind
> > poet writes...
> >
> > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this show as
> > Beauty or
> > the Geek?
> > .........jeff
> > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > >
> > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give us
> > mortals
> > > nothing
> > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I don't
> > recall who
> > > wrote
> > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > >
> > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes, no
> > trains, just the
> > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > >
> > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > >
> > > > ...we won!
> > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > >
> > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > John Milton
> > > > jeff
> > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Aug 13 10:28:13 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 12 Aug 2009 17:28:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908121715p36bc2fd4see36b949788a0640@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <176295.72054.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I must go down to the lake again, to the lonely lake and the fog, as John Masefield *might* have said. John Masefield was to Cecil Day Lewis as The Queen is to Prince Charles, although the latter might be worse as I see a definite probability that Chucky will cark first.

So ... where is the leitmotif for the seminar?

--- On Thu, 13/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


Hey Mikhail,
I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the last 70 k's..
between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it (Lake
Mulwala)...Google Same......
that is the weather report for Thursday
jeff





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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Aug 13 12:59:55 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 02:59:55 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <A504C27DCFF249D78C1A6ECE06925599@Michael>
Message-ID: <527368.50064.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

lol. I took a grad class on Milton and Dante. One of the things we had to do was correctly pronounce Areopagitica. My fav quote is something like 'he who kills a man kills an image of the Creator, but he who destroys a book, kills Reason itself.'...or something to that effect.

Elise
--- On Wed, 12/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


From: Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
To: "'Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society'" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Wednesday, 12 August, 2009, 2:10 AM


Jeff,

I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'! 

Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)



> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
> piece of his
> named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best prohibitions
> of censorship
> ever written......I still recall this...........
> ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very day....fed
> bullshit by
> rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> fed'.....a blind
> poet writes...
> 
> Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this show as
> Beauty or
> the Geek?
> .........jeff
> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > I need to read more John Milton!
> >
> > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give us
> mortals
> > nothing
> > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I don't
> recall who
> > wrote
> > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> >
> > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes, no
> trains, just the
> > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > >
> >? > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > >
> > > ...we won!
> > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > >
> > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > John Milton
> > > jeff
> >? > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Aug 15 09:30:19 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2009 09:30:19 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908041738o7b475abqd4b487b705971217@mail.gmail.com>
	<74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908141630m59c7aaa7i998115bc047c4da5@mail.gmail.com>

Weather report.from Yarrawonga......After more early fog the sparrow downs
this morn a really sunny Yarra day.
I've just completed a short story set circa 1967....(near Stoke on
Trent).....a man fakes his own death.he really does not know why he did
it....but finds out that he seems more appreciated dead than
alive........but he is only finding out the truth anyhow...I mean he was and
(still) is a nice enough Joe......a moral I suppose like Aesop too.
That is enough weather
love Jeff

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Aug 16 13:24:32 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 13:24:32 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor]
	=?windows-1252?q?Tolkien=92s_Heirs_Want_Production_o?=
	=?windows-1252?q?f_=91The_Hobbit=92_Film_Stopped?=
In-Reply-To: <74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908041738o7b475abqd4b487b705971217@mail.gmail.com>
	<74306.89562.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908152024k43c7958fkff849605c7fed9b9@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
and I travelled for well over 200 k's of wind and rain to come back to
Brunnie.....rain most of the morn and early arvo too.
Windy as hell......sorry Satan I did not mean to cruel your travelogue
pitch....I mean it's been dangerously windy here overnight...calm in Yarra
o'night tho'.....

So I saw young Miss Emily (my grandaughter) at my daughter Jackie's place at
North Melbourne for an hour or so and came back for a kip.....I am up and at
em once again....
A trip to The Courtyard is in order now I think.....(Think The Ivy Bush!) a
couple of foamies and some shopping for my dinner tonight.........early to
Bed and then up v early to editing most likely.
love jeff

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Aug 16 20:48:33 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 20:48:33 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908121715p36bc2fd4see36b949788a0640@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>

Hi All,

The fog has lifted here!

It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a theme for the
Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in the next issue
of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version back up when you
can.  

Almost a year to the day.

Michael
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> Hey Mikhail,
> I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the last
> 70 k's..
> between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it (Lake
> Mulwala)...Google Same......
> that is the weather report for Thursday
> jeff
> 
> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > Jeff,
> >
> > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> >
> > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > >
> > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
> > > piece of his
> > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> prohibitions
> > > of censorship
> > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
> day....fed
> > > bullshit by
> > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > > fed'.....a blind
> > > poet writes...
> > >
> > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
> show as
> > > Beauty or
> > > the Geek?
> > > .........jeff
> > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > >
> > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give
> us
> > > mortals
> > > > nothing
> > > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
> don't
> > > recall who
> > > > wrote
> > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > >
> > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes,
> no
> > > trains, just the
> > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > >
> > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > >
> > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > >
> > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > John Milton
> > > > > jeff
> > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > >
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug 16 21:02:33 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 16 Aug 2009 04:02:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>
Message-ID: <226120.11693.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hey, Jeff! You've now got Michael starting with the weather report!

Back to plan a, eh?

Will do...

...and don't forget 2 September: Remembrances to JRRT, happies to Michael.

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

The fog has lifted here!

It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a theme for the
Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in the next issue
of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version back up when you
can.? 

Almost a year to the day.





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 17 09:46:15 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 09:46:15 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>
References: <ecc18000908121715p36bc2fd4see36b949788a0640@mail.gmail.com>
	<B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908161646x72b2128et2f22febc6f0b2470@mail.gmail.com>

No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for Sam's (my )
garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too after v wild winds
...

A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.

I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
In my broken down old barrow.
When down went the Marrow
When the wheels hit a furrow.
On top of that the marrow,
Tumbled down a burrow.
A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
There is a giantific Marrow
Blocking up my bloody burrow.
I replied good morrow,
No need to cry foul dear fellow.
The marrow will soon be followed
By a knife and fork ;you follow?
Eat your way out of your burrow
And it will be such a fine old swallow.

It follows then that the moral of
A tale of a falling marrow,
Is try not to think too shallow..
For there's often more to follow
When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
jeff

Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony (OUR artist).....he
will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it will nary be a
matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the painting ..if
that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother ( Jose) make a fair
wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that art must eat
too....
even in sunnie brunnie.
jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the painting...........He Is
Good!


On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> The fog has lifted here!
>
> It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a theme for the
> Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in the next issue
> of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version back up when
> you
> can.
>
> Almost a year to the day.
>
> Michael
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> >
> > Hey Mikhail,
> > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the last
> > 70 k's..
> > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it (Lake
> > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > jeff
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Jeff,
> > >
> > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > >
> > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > >
> > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
> > > > piece of his
> > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > prohibitions
> > > > of censorship
> > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
> > day....fed
> > > > bullshit by
> > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > poet writes...
> > > >
> > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
> > show as
> > > > Beauty or
> > > > the Geek?
> > > > .........jeff
> > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > >
> > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give
> > us
> > > > mortals
> > > > > nothing
> > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
> > don't
> > > > recall who
> > > > > wrote
> > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes,
> > no
> > > > trains, just the
> > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > >
> > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > jeff
> > > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
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> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
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> > List at tolharndor.org
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>
>
>
>
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>

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug 17 17:21:48 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 17:21:48 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>
References: <B34901E1D41C43DC96E3E7C269494E6C@Michael>
Message-ID: <4A89050C.9070400@roots-boots.net>

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> 
> It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a theme for the
> Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in the next issue
> of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version back up when you
> can.  

The seminar page on the TH website has been updated.

cheers,
David


> 
> Almost a year to the day.
> 
> Michael
>  
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>> Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>
>> Hey Mikhail,
>> I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the last
>> 70 k's..
>> between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
>> I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it (Lake
>> Mulwala)...Google Same......
>> that is the weather report for Thursday
>> jeff
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeff,
>>>
>>> I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
>>>
>>> Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>
>>>> ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a prose
>>>> piece of his
>>>> named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
>> prohibitions
>>>> of censorship
>>>> ever written......I still recall this...........
>>>> ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
>> day....fed
>>>> bullshit by
>>>> rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
>>>> fed'.....a blind
>>>> poet writes...
>>>>
>>>> Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
>> show as
>>>> Beauty or
>>>> the Geek?
>>>> .........jeff
>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I need to read more John Milton!
>>>>>
>>>>> Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will give
>> us
>>>> mortals
>>>>> nothing
>>>>> unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
>> don't
>>>> recall who
>>>>> wrote
>>>>> it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No planes,
>> no
>>>> trains, just the
>>>>> automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>
>>>>>  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
>>>>>> ...we won!
>>>>>> A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
>>>>>> And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
>>>>>> Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
>>>>>> John Milton
>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>  > _______________________________________________
>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> List mailing list
>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List mailing list
>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
>> List at tolharndor.org
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Aug 17 17:47:03 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2009 00:47:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <4A89050C.9070400@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <243104.9451.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

So has the one on the Bullsheet.

Btw Michael, I wrote to the Aussiecon 4 Committee re your seminar. I haven't got a thing back from them. I don't like the inference of that but at least they can't say I didn't tell them.

--- On Mon, 17/8/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> 
> It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a theme for the
> Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in the next issue
> of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version back up when you
> can.? 

The seminar page on the TH website has been updated.

cheers,
David






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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue Aug 18 17:09:16 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:16 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <243104.9451.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <B172A10004854C52A9834C9AEA1ED1DD@Michael>

Thanks for letting them know Ted!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 5:47 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> So has the one on the Bullsheet.
> 
> Btw Michael, I wrote to the Aussiecon 4 Committee re your
> seminar. I haven't got a thing back from them. I don't like the
> inference of that but at least they can't say I didn't tell
> them.
> 
> --- On Mon, 17/8/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> 
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >
> > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> theme for the
> > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in
> the next issue
> > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version
> back up when you
> > can.
> 
> The seminar page on the TH website has been updated.
> 
> cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue Aug 18 17:09:16 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 18 Aug 2009 17:09:16 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908161646x72b2128et2f22febc6f0b2470@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0FBF7486A09C498FA50A0BFD3BA28B03@Michael>

I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it interesting. I do
look forward to seeing what he conjures up.

I'll be staying away from the marrow.

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
> Sam's (my )
> garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too after
> v wild winds
> ...
> 
> A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
> 
> I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
> In my broken down old barrow.
> When down went the Marrow
> When the wheels hit a furrow.
> On top of that the marrow,
> Tumbled down a burrow.
> A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
> There is a giantific Marrow
> Blocking up my bloody burrow.
> I replied good morrow,
> No need to cry foul dear fellow.
> The marrow will soon be followed
> By a knife and fork ;you follow?
> Eat your way out of your burrow
> And it will be such a fine old swallow.
> 
> It follows then that the moral of
> A tale of a falling marrow,
> Is try not to think too shallow..
> For there's often more to follow
> When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
> jeff
> 
> Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony (OUR
> artist).....he
> will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it will
> nary be a
> matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
> painting ..if
> that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
> Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother ( Jose)
> make a fair
> wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that art
> must eat
> too....
> even in sunnie brunnie.
> jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
> painting...........He Is
> Good!
> 
> 
> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > Hi All,
> >
> > The fog has lifted here!
> >
> > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> theme for the
> > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in
> the next issue
> > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version
> back up when
> > you
> > can.
> >
> > Almost a year to the day.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> >  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > >
> > > Hey Mikhail,
> > > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the
> last
> > > 70 k's..
> > > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it
> (Lake
> > > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > > jeff
> > >
> > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > > >
> > > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > >
> > > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a
> prose
> > > > > piece of his
> > > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > > prohibitions
> > > > > of censorship
> > > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
> > > day....fed
> > > > > bullshit by
> > > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > > poet writes...
> > > > >
> > > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
> > > show as
> > > > > Beauty or
> > > > > the Geek?
> > > > > .........jeff
> > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will
> give
> > > us
> > > > > mortals
> > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
> > > don't
> > > > > recall who
> > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
> planes,
> > > no
> > > > > trains, just the
> > > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
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> > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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> > > >
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 19 09:58:04 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 19 Aug 2009 09:58:04 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <0FBF7486A09C498FA50A0BFD3BA28B03@Michael>
References: <ecc18000908161646x72b2128et2f22febc6f0b2470@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FBF7486A09C498FA50A0BFD3BA28B03@Michael>
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Thanks many heaps Mikhail.....I mean for the (unintended and univited but
welcome bid..With no pressure from me I mean...and a timely bid by
you.....do not yet specify amount.WAIT!)...I will tell our artist(Tony) that
there are 2 bids.....up to this date.......this is only the truth..I shall
not specify the bids to Tony...Two at sight unseen..My bid  to be
say....$85...
I reckon that whatTony will come up with (may) fetch $250 to $300
plus...(just ballparkly) quoting. Or MORE?
Note it will likely be a spray painted type of work in micro and macro
painting artforms..he's a whiz!...he learnt this whilst decorating cars!!!!!
When the work is done I will get David to put it up(I will photo it
digitally) on  website(s).....
On the day we/I will handle the finality of the bids........
If you want Tol Harndor to have a cut you can say so M..otherwise.........
all to Tony! Whatsay?
jeff
On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it interesting. I
> do
> look forward to seeing what he conjures up.
>
> I'll be staying away from the marrow.
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>  > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> >
> > No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
> > Sam's (my )
> > garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too after
> > v wild winds
> > ...
> >
> > A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
> >
> > I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
> > In my broken down old barrow.
> > When down went the Marrow
> > When the wheels hit a furrow.
> > On top of that the marrow,
> > Tumbled down a burrow.
> > A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
> > There is a giantific Marrow
> > Blocking up my bloody burrow.
> > I replied good morrow,
> > No need to cry foul dear fellow.
> > The marrow will soon be followed
> > By a knife and fork ;you follow?
> > Eat your way out of your burrow
> > And it will be such a fine old swallow.
> >
> > It follows then that the moral of
> > A tale of a falling marrow,
> > Is try not to think too shallow..
> > For there's often more to follow
> > When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
> > jeff
> >
> > Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony (OUR
> > artist).....he
> > will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it will
> > nary be a
> > matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
> > painting ..if
> > that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
> > Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother ( Jose)
> > make a fair
> > wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that art
> > must eat
> > too....
> > even in sunnie brunnie.
> > jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
> > painting...........He Is
> > Good!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > The fog has lifted here!
> > >
> > > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> > theme for the
> > > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in
> > the next issue
> > > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version
> > back up when
> > > you
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Almost a year to the day.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > >  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > >
> > > > Hey Mikhail,
> > > > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the
> > last
> > > > 70 k's..
> > > > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > > > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it
> > (Lake
> > > > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > > > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > > > jeff
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > > > >
> > > > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a
> > prose
> > > > > > piece of his
> > > > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > > > prohibitions
> > > > > > of censorship
> > > > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
> > > > day....fed
> > > > > > bullshit by
> > > > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > > > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > > > poet writes...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
> > > > show as
> > > > > > Beauty or
> > > > > > the Geek?
> > > > > > .........jeff
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will
> > give
> > > > us
> > > > > > mortals
> > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > recall who
> > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
> > planes,
> > > > no
> > > > > > trains, just the
> > > > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
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> List at tolharndor.org
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>

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Aug 20 09:25:08 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 09:25:08 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <0FBF7486A09C498FA50A0BFD3BA28B03@Michael>
References: <ecc18000908161646x72b2128et2f22febc6f0b2470@mail.gmail.com>
	<0FBF7486A09C498FA50A0BFD3BA28B03@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908191625p501749bct818d3d4ec615af39@mail.gmail.com>

I have informed Tony of the start of the bidding for his unseen( only for
the reason that it is NOT yet done) art work.
He's excited at the prospect.
I have taken photos of 4 of his past works....some how or other I will get
them to David....he will (I hope) put the on our site ........ so that
people can focus on the pre work works.
Rain since five AM this morn...all traffic seems incapable of
trafficking..........that is good isn't it?
jeff

>
> > A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
> >
> > I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
> > In my broken down old barrow.
> > When down went the Marrow
> > When the wheels hit a furrow.
> > On top of that the marrow,
> > Tumbled down a burrow.
> > A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
> > There is a giantific Marrow
> > Blocking up my bloody burrow.
> > I replied good morrow,
> > No need to cry foul dear fellow.
> > The marrow will soon be followed
> > By a knife and fork ;you follow?
> > Eat your way out of your burrow
> > And it will be such a fine old swallow.
> >
> > It follows then that the moral of
> > A tale of a falling marrow,
> > Is try not to think too shallow..
> > For there's often more to follow
> > When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
> > jeff
> >
> > Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony (OUR
> > artist).....he
> > will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it will
> > nary be a
> > matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
> > painting ..if
> > that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
> > Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother ( Jose)
> > make a fair
> > wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that art
> > must eat
> > too....
> > even in sunnie brunnie.
> > jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
> > painting...........He Is
> > Good!
> >
> >
> > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > The fog has lifted here!
> > >
> > > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> > theme for the
> > > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers in
> > the next issue
> > > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website version
> > back up when
> > > you
> > > can.
> > >
> > > Almost a year to the day.
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > >  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > >
> > > > Hey Mikhail,
> > > > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for the
> > last
> > > > 70 k's..
> > > > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > > > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across it
> > (Lake
> > > > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > > > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > > > jeff
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Jeff,
> > > > >
> > > > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > > > >
> > > > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read a
> > prose
> > > > > > piece of his
> > > > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > > > prohibitions
> > > > > > of censorship
> > > > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this very
> > > > day....fed
> > > > > > bullshit by
> > > > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are not
> > > > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > > > poet writes...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on this
> > > > show as
> > > > > > Beauty or
> > > > > > the Geek?
> > > > > > .........jeff
> > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life will
> > give
> > > > us
> > > > > > mortals
> > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that, although I
> > > > don't
> > > > > > recall who
> > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
> > planes,
> > > > no
> > > > > > trains, just the
> > > > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > > >  > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > > > >
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > List mailing list
> > > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
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>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 21 09:38:35 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 09:38:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <CA5C2BECC67446ACBCB9121FFEF339CA@Michael>
References: <459974.15116.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<CA5C2BECC67446ACBCB9121FFEF339CA@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908201638nce258bbie1d3361fcf5543d6@mail.gmail.com>

I have just obtained an Eagles (a nameof the scholar ) translation of 'The
Iliad'...this if you like to think on it...was a prequel to the Odyssey ...I
've read THe Odysssey off and on for years.....not so much The
Iliad...now......
You may remember that Rumpole of the Bailey was v fond of quoting Tennyson
....quite a few of the quotes were from Tennyson (onThe Odyssey)...to
search, to strife and not to yield....
met with an aged wife etc......( this just to set the picture.)....example
of a man (Rumpole) who is put upon by (a) woman.......Hilary I think her
name is........lovely books!
Odyssey naturally is the tale of  (a Lord) Ulysses...(Oysseus) by another
name....Odysseus is brave, resourceful,loved by the Gods (for the
most).... married but far away from home...he is Oh so mortally and
foolishly struck by feminine charms( he loves sheilas so much?)....he
seems to shag every woman that he meets...with exceptions. He literally is
led by his...!
It is largely then for these reasons that he's so long away from Ithica and
his missus Penelope.
It has often stuck me (and others too) that Tollers had his odyssey
characters quite (well most of the time) unaffected by the charms of
women..and sex! This IS NOT a new subject in our studies.......
Some feminists might have even stronger views on a rather serious Oxford Don
who likes a pint, smokes his pipe in a snug of THE Baby and is so smug about
his writing that he doesn't even much discuss it with Edith.He doodles and
draws his little pictures and sketches in man like creatures who are not men
who are (some of them married) when back at home but the two main
protagonists seem bachelor types through and through...Tollers seems to me,
to be a classic case of a man who (either) should not have married OR
married in haste ( and too young) and repented at leisure    at a great
length of leisure too....Does this affect the Don and his tales?..I think it
does.
Is this true?
I dunno.
But his Bilbo and his Frodo seem sexless to me?
Is this true?.
An Odyssey without a Ulysses.
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug 21 13:57:18 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 20:57:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
Message-ID: <688752.20923.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff. I noticed that Michael liked the idea of Ulysses but not Leopold Bloom for an odyssey (well he didn't mention it in the CFP). I won't be taking that anywhere anytime soon but I think that there is some potential for comparison. I have, after much consideration, chosen a topic and title, and I'll be sending an abstract off soon.

JRRT had four children. That doesn't sound too sexless to me, but he was obviously something of a "man's man" although I thought that in those days it was quite the normal way to behave, especially at Oxford. The fact that he appeared not to want to discuss his writing with his wife doesn't particularly strike me as neglecting her or having a bachelor mentality. As to the nature of Bilbo and Frodo: Bilbo certainly behaved in an odd way for a hobbit, but Frodo was too much affected by the
 presence of the Ring and the burden that Gandalf laid on him. I feel that Frodo could well have harboured a grudge against the wizard. However it may have been that, while Frodo had little chance to destroy the Ring, anyone else in Middle-Earth had virtually no chance, either because they would have given up on the Quest or because they would have succumbed to the desire to use the Ring - though I admit that, apart from putting it on and becoming invisible, we never really did find out what one could do with it.

My impression from Carpenter's biography was that JRRT was very much in love with Edith and the inscription on the grave would appear to bear this out. The fact that he said little about women, to the point of virtually nothing regarding Aragorn and Arwen (leaving us mystified about why he showed no interest in Eowyn), was as I see it just his way of story telling when he saw the romance side as very much a secondary
 matter compared with the war against Sauron.

Cheers

Ted

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

I have just obtained an Eagles (a nameof the scholar ) translation of 'The
Iliad'...this if you like to think on it...was a prequel to the Odyssey ...I
've read THe Odysssey off and on for years.....not so much The
Iliad...now......
You may remember that Rumpole of the Bailey was v fond of quoting Tennyson
....quite a few of the quotes were from Tennyson (onThe Odyssey)...to
search, to strife and not to yield....
met with an aged wife etc......( this just to set the picture.)....example
of a man (Rumpole) who is put upon by (a) woman.......Hilary I think her
name is........lovely books!
Odyssey naturally is the tale of? (a Lord) Ulysses...(Oysseus) by
 another
name....Odysseus is brave, resourceful,loved by the Gods (for the
most).... married but far away from home...he is Oh so mortally and
foolishly struck by feminine charms( he loves sheilas so much?)....he
seems to shag every woman that he meets...with exceptions. He literally is
led by his...!
It is largely then for these reasons that he's so long away from Ithica and
his missus Penelope.
It has often stuck me (and others too) that Tollers had his odyssey
characters quite (well most of the time) unaffected by the charms of
women..and sex! This IS NOT a new subject in our studies.......
Some feminists might have even stronger views on a rather serious Oxford Don
who likes a pint, smokes his pipe in a snug of THE Baby and is so smug about
his writing that he doesn't even much discuss it with Edith.He doodles and
draws his little pictures and sketches in man like creatures who are not men
who are (some of
 them married) when back at home but the two main
protagonists seem bachelor types through and through...Tollers seems to me,
to be a classic case of a man who (either) should not have married OR
married in haste ( and too young) and repented at leisure? ? at a great
length of leisure too....Does this affect the Don and his tales?..I think it
does.
Is this true?
I dunno.
But his Bilbo and his Frodo seem sexless to me?
Is this true?.
An Odyssey without a Ulysses.
jeff





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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri Aug 21 14:33:46 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Fri, 21 Aug 2009 14:33:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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Quoting Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>:

> JRRT had four children. That doesn't sound too sexless to me, but he  
>  was obviously something of a "man's man" although I thought that in  
>  those days it was quite the normal way to behave, especially at   
> Oxford.

Definitely. It's always risky to judge a writer by another generations  
standards. The lack of strong female roles in much of his work being  
another and related example.

> having a bachelor mentality. As to the nature of Bilbo and Frodo:   
> Bilbo certainly behaved in an odd way for a hobbit, but Frodo was   
> too much affected by the  presence of the Ring and the burden that
> Gandalf laid on him.

Bilbo possessed the ring for a far longer time than Frodo, so his odd  
behaviour can be laid at the same feet, so to speak, as Frodo's  
oddness. Also keep in mind eccentricity was (and is) a quirk that was  
held in some esteem in english society. Bilbo may have been a  
"eccentric old bugger", but that would not have been seen as a  
character flaw, merely a character trait.

> I feel that Frodo could well have harboured a grudge against the  wizard.

Possibly .. but there's no real evidence of it ... and thru' much of  
LotR Frodo expresses a strong affection for Gandalf.

> because they would have succumbed to the desire to use the Ring -   
> though I admit that, apart from putting it on and becoming   
> invisible, we never really did find out what one could do with it.

Evidently one could do much with it, should one be able to tap the  
powers. But none who could tap the powers would go near it, so we  
never found what it could do. Obviously nough that Sauron had the  
willies with the possibility that some power would claim and use the  
ring. True, they would have been corrupted as both Gandalf and  
Galadriel said, but the implication in what they both said and  
Sauron's fears is that should a power have taken the ring, Sauron  
would have been destroyed. He did invest his power into the ring,  
mayhaps if another power successfully claimed the ring then Sauron  
would no longer have access to that power and he would, well, wither  
away into nothing. Both G&G implied that with the power of the ring,  
they could become absolute and utter rulers of the world.

> My impression from Carpenter's biography was that JRRT was very much  
>  in love with Edith and the inscription on the grave would appear to  
>  bear this out. The fact that he said little about women, to the   
> point of virtually nothing regarding Aragorn and Arwen (leaving us   
> mystified about why he showed no interest in Eowyn), was as I see it  
>  just his way of story telling when he saw the romance side as very   
> much a secondary matter compared with the war against Sauron.

Tolkien seems to have written much of his work in the British 1930's  
and 1940's "Boys Own" style, albiet with added layers. That means the  
stories are basically rollicking adventure yarns. Boys Own stories did  
not have romance in them ... that was the province of the Girl's Own  
stories .. and never shall the twain meet. Women appeared in Boys Own  
stories, but they were always part of the background, never central or  
even secondary characters. Central characters were always boys or  
young men. Hence the hobbits who were always 'boys', no matter how old  
they were. As in Boys Own fiction, the secondary characters were  
strong adult male role models, such as Gandalf, Aragorn, Elrond and  
co. Legolas and Gimli, being non-humans are part of the scenery, and  
even they they tend to behave like boys rather than adults. Older  
boys, but still boys. They are not adult role models.

cheers,
David
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug 21 16:04:55 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 20 Aug 2009 23:04:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <20090821143346.vvq1gxz3ksw04og4@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <96965.39045.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I take the point that Frodo looked up to Gandalf. He saved Frodo's life when pursued by the ringwraiths, and he certainly saved the whole company's lives in Moria by tackling the balrog. However it was on Frodo that the heaviest burden eventually fell, and Frodo could have been forgiven if he felt that Gandalf had given him the toughest job. I note that Elrond spoke of Frodo's apparently being "ordained" to carry the Ring.

Regarding Tolkien's "Boys Own" style, I can hardly dispute that in the early pages, but to take it through the whole book is to echo Edwin Muir's criticism: that all the male characters were boys; this being based on the fact that there was no talk of sex. Surely it's possible to write a story that involves adult men but does not necessarily involve romance or sex.

Ted

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> I feel that Frodo could well have harboured a grudge against the? wizard.

Possibly .. but there's no real evidence of it ... and thru' much of LotR Frodo expresses a strong affection for Gandalf.

> because they would have succumbed to the desire to use the Ring -? though I admit that, apart from putting it on and becoming? invisible, we never really did find out what one could do with it.

Evidently one could do much with it, should one be able to tap the powers. But none who could tap the powers would go near it, so we never found what it could do. Obviously nough that Sauron had the willies with the possibility that some power would claim and use the ring. True, they would have been corrupted as both Gandalf and Galadriel said, but the implication in what they both said and Sauron's fears is that should a power have taken the ring, Sauron would have been destroyed. He did invest his power into the ring, mayhaps if another power successfully claimed the ring then Sauron would no longer have access to that power and he would, well, wither away into nothing. Both G&G implied that with the power of the ring, they could become absolute and utter rulers of the world.

> My impression from Carpenter's biography was that JRRT was very much? in love with Edith and the inscription on the grave would appear to? bear this out. The fact that he said little about women, to the? point of virtually nothing regarding Aragorn and Arwen (leaving us? mystified about why he showed no interest in Eowyn), was as I see it? just his way of story telling when he saw the romance side as very? much a secondary matter compared with the war against Sauron.

Tolkien seems to have written much of his work in the British 1930's and 1940's "Boys Own" style, albiet with added layers. That means the stories are basically rollicking adventure yarns. Boys Own stories did not have romance in them ... that was the province of the Girl's Own stories .. and never shall the twain meet. Women appeared in Boys Own stories, but they were always part of the background, never central or even secondary characters. Central characters were always boys or young men. Hence the hobbits who were always 'boys', no matter how old they were. As in Boys Own fiction, the secondary characters were strong adult male role models, such as Gandalf, Aragorn, Elrond and co. Legolas and Gimli, being non-humans are part of the scenery, and even they they tend to behave like boys rather than adults. Older boys, but still boys. They are not adult role models.

cheers,
David






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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Aug 22 09:43:08 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 09:43:08 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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Ted I could not find a lot to disagree with in your letter here...despite my
recent idea's ...we have discussed this long times ago ..every now and then
I like to bring up the topic..I did not know that the Prof had 4 kids...that
is true....He was also a man's man i that his job in WW1 (a  a wire runner
for communications unit) was dire...that is so....I take your point about
THE NECCESSITIES OF NOVELISTIC INVENTIONS.........after all a novel writer
and his works Are seperable........Also I see that I wrote Eagles....for the
scholar Fagles.......(Greek scholar) sorry Mr Fagles

On Bloom.....for Ted

Ah and a blooming nuisance of a man was Bloom
Blooming full of it too so he was and so was she.
Dublin's never been the same since that Bloom man.
Bloomi'n well true it is and was it is so.
So what and Joyce had the choice and
He coulda made it just a little easier...for us.
Easier for us all I mean; Again I mean to say
That it's a bit like the man who wrote a bit
About 'I tried to tell her that I loved her....
But the words got , it's no sane way to have a
Man going round and a Irish man
To boot...french speakinglike that too
And such a one who knows
The inside outs of an old priest's dried out
Heart and the things that go on behind lace
Curtains and then puts down the Jesuitical case
For immortality with such bloody and
Uncomforting words and so I do say,
That it is sad to say, that it was just a
Little too late for him to be auto fe'd......
Ok?
jeff




On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff. I noticed that Michael liked the idea of Ulysses but not Leopold
> Bloom for an odyssey (well he didn't mention it in the CFP). I won't be
> taking that anywhere anytime soon but I think that there is some potential
> for comparison. I have, after much consideration, chosen a topic and title,
> and I'll be sending an abstract off soon.
>
> JRRT had four children. That doesn't sound too sexless to me, but he was
> obviously something of a "man's man" although I thought that in those days
> it was quite the normal way to behave, especially at Oxford. The fact that
> he appeared not to want to discuss his writing with his wife doesn't
> particularly strike me as neglecting her or having a bachelor mentality. As
> to the nature of Bilbo and Frodo: Bilbo certainly behaved in an odd way for
> a hobbit, but Frodo was too much affected by the
>  presence of the Ring and the burden that Gandalf laid on him. I feel that
> Frodo could well have harboured a grudge against the wizard. However it may
> have been that, while Frodo had little chance to destroy the Ring, anyone
> else in Middle-Earth had virtually no chance, either because they would have
> given up on the Quest or because they would have succumbed to the desire to
> use the Ring - though I admit that, apart from putting it on and becoming
> invisible, we never really did find out what one could do with it.
>
> My impression from Carpenter's biography was that JRRT was very much in
> love with Edith and the inscription on the grave would appear to bear this
> out. The fact that he said little about women, to the point of virtually
> nothing regarding Aragorn and Arwen (leaving us mystified about why he
> showed no interest in Eowyn), was as I see it just his way of story telling
> when he saw the romance side as very much a secondary
>  matter compared with the war against Sauron.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Fri, 21/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have just obtained an Eagles (a nameof the scholar ) translation of 'The
> Iliad'...this if you like to think on it...was a prequel to the Odyssey
> ...I
> 've read THe Odysssey off and on for years.....not so much The
> Iliad...now......
> You may remember that Rumpole of the Bailey was v fond of quoting Tennyson
> ....quite a few of the quotes were from Tennyson (onThe Odyssey)...to
> search, to strife and not to yield....
> met with an aged wife etc......( this just to set the picture.)....example
> of a man (Rumpole) who is put upon by (a) woman.......Hilary I think her
> name is........lovely books!
> Odyssey naturally is the tale of  (a Lord) Ulysses...(Oysseus) by
>  another
> name....Odysseus is brave, resourceful,loved by the Gods (for the
> most).... married but far away from home...he is Oh so mortally and
> foolishly struck by feminine charms( he loves sheilas so much?)....he
> seems to shag every woman that he meets...with exceptions. He literally is
> led by his...!
> It is largely then for these reasons that he's so long away from Ithica and
> his missus Penelope.
> It has often stuck me (and others too) that Tollers had his odyssey
> characters quite (well most of the time) unaffected by the charms of
> women..and sex! This IS NOT a new subject in our studies.......
> Some feminists might have even stronger views on a rather serious Oxford
> Don
> who likes a pint, smokes his pipe in a snug of THE Baby and is so smug
> about
> his writing that he doesn't even much discuss it with Edith.He doodles and
> draws his little pictures and sketches in man like creatures who are not
> men
> who are (some of
>  them married) when back at home but the two main
> protagonists seem bachelor types through and through...Tollers seems to me,
> to be a classic case of a man who (either) should not have married OR
> married in haste ( and too young) and repented at leisure    at a great
> length of leisure too....Does this affect the Don and his tales?..I think
> it
> does.
> Is this true?
> I dunno.
> But his Bilbo and his Frodo seem sexless to me?
> Is this true?.
> An Odyssey without a Ulysses.
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug 23 13:42:20 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 22 Aug 2009 20:42:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
Message-ID: <295949.78328.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

The Larry Niven mail list has been doing a lot of talking about two reviews of LotR:

Michael Moorcock's review: http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953

and

David Brin's review: http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html

Both these well known and much read and liked science fiction writers have taken a very big swipe at Tolkien and his work. Currently I've only read Moorcock's critique and I get the impression that his similar to, but stronger than, China Mi?ville's. That is taking a very hard line. All three authors (Brin, Moorcock and Mi?ville) are politically leftist and that appears to have had a considerable influence on the nature of their reviews. However I suggest you check the two links yourselves.

Jeff, give me a bit more time to assimilate your comments re Leopold Bloom.

Cheers

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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Aug 23 21:23:12 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:23:12 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>

All to Tony! We are a non-profit organization, at least when it comes to
money. 

I will be looking out for the photos Jeff. The Call for Papers will be
published in the next Amon Hen and also on their web site.

Jeff - I'll need to start thinking about caterers. Does the Pascoe Vale do
such work? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 9:58 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> Thanks many heaps Mikhail.....I mean for the (unintended and
> univited but
> welcome bid..With no pressure from me I mean...and a timely bid
> by
> you.....do not yet specify amount.WAIT!)...I will tell our
> artist(Tony) that
> there are 2 bids.....up to this date.......this is only the
> truth..I shall
> not specify the bids to Tony...Two at sight unseen..My bid  to
> be
> say....$85...
> I reckon that whatTony will come up with (may) fetch $250 to
> $300
> plus...(just ballparkly) quoting. Or MORE?
> Note it will likely be a spray painted type of work in micro
> and macro
> painting artforms..he's a whiz!...he learnt this whilst
> decorating cars!!!!!
> When the work is done I will get David to put it up(I will
> photo it
> digitally) on  website(s).....
> On the day we/I will handle the finality of the bids........
> If you want Tol Harndor to have a cut you can say so
> M..otherwise.........
> all to Tony! Whatsay?
> jeff
> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it
> interesting. I
> > do
> > look forward to seeing what he conjures up.
> >
> > I'll be staying away from the marrow.
> >
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> >  > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > >
> > > No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
> > > Sam's (my )
> > > garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too
> after
> > > v wild winds
> > > ...
> > >
> > > A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
> > >
> > > I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
> > > In my broken down old barrow.
> > > When down went the Marrow
> > > When the wheels hit a furrow.
> > > On top of that the marrow,
> > > Tumbled down a burrow.
> > > A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
> > > There is a giantific Marrow
> > > Blocking up my bloody burrow.
> > > I replied good morrow,
> > > No need to cry foul dear fellow.
> > > The marrow will soon be followed
> > > By a knife and fork ;you follow?
> > > Eat your way out of your burrow
> > > And it will be such a fine old swallow.
> > >
> > > It follows then that the moral of
> > > A tale of a falling marrow,
> > > Is try not to think too shallow..
> > > For there's often more to follow
> > > When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
> > > jeff
> > >
> > > Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony
> (OUR
> > > artist).....he
> > > will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it
> will
> > > nary be a
> > > matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
> > > painting ..if
> > > that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
> > > Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother
> ( Jose)
> > > make a fair
> > > wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that
> art
> > > must eat
> > > too....
> > > even in sunnie brunnie.
> > > jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
> > > painting...........He Is
> > > Good!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > The fog has lifted here!
> > > >
> > > > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> > > theme for the
> > > > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers
> in
> > > the next issue
> > > > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website
> version
> > > back up when
> > > > you
> > > > can.
> > > >
> > > > Almost a year to the day.
> > > >
> > > > Michael
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > >  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey Mikhail,
> > > > > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for
> the
> > > last
> > > > > 70 k's..
> > > > > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > > > > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across
> it
> > > (Lake
> > > > > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > > > > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > > > > jeff
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read
> a
> > > prose
> > > > > > > piece of his
> > > > > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > > > > prohibitions
> > > > > > > of censorship
> > > > > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this
> very
> > > > > day....fed
> > > > > > > bullshit by
> > > > > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are
> not
> > > > > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > > > > poet writes...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on
> this
> > > > > show as
> > > > > > > Beauty or
> > > > > > > the Geek?
> > > > > > > .........jeff
> > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life
> will
> > > give
> > > > > us
> > > > > > > mortals
> > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that,
> although I
> > > > > don't
> > > > > > > recall who
> > > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
> > > planes,
> > > > > no
> > > > > > > trains, just the
> > > > > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > > > >  >
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Aug 23 21:32:44 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2009 21:32:44 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <688752.20923.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <493C6B971C4C4B82B84B7B03E56CC118@Michael>

Tollers does have some interesting things to say on sex in some of his
letters. I give you this quote where he combines grog and sex in the one
thought:

'Christian marriage is not a prohibition of sexual intercourse, but the
correct way of sexual temperance - in fact probably the best way of getting
the most satisfying sexual pleasure, as alcoholic temperance is the best way
of enjoying beer and wine.'

Any guesses as to who the letter was penned for? 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Friday, 21 August 2009 1:57 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> 
> Hi Jeff. I noticed that Michael liked the idea of Ulysses but
> not Leopold Bloom for an odyssey (well he didn't mention it in
> the CFP). I won't be taking that anywhere anytime soon but I
> think that there is some potential for comparison. I have,
> after much consideration, chosen a topic and title, and I'll be
> sending an abstract off soon.
> 
> JRRT had four children. That doesn't sound too sexless to me,
> but he was obviously something of a "man's man" although I
> thought that in those days it was quite the normal way to
> behave, especially at Oxford. The fact that he appeared not to
> want to discuss his writing with his wife doesn't particularly
> strike me as neglecting her or having a bachelor mentality. As
> to the nature of Bilbo and Frodo: Bilbo certainly behaved in an
> odd way for a hobbit, but Frodo was too much affected by the
>  presence of the Ring and the burden that Gandalf laid on him.
> I feel that Frodo could well have harboured a grudge against
> the wizard. However it may have been that, while Frodo had
> little chance to destroy the Ring, anyone else in Middle-Earth
> had virtually no chance, either because they would have given
> up on the Quest or because they would have succumbed to the
> desire to use the Ring - though I admit that, apart from
> putting it on and becoming invisible, we never really did find
> out what one could do with it.
> 
> My impression from Carpenter's biography was that JRRT was very
> much in love with Edith and the inscription on the grave would
> appear to bear this out. The fact that he said little about
> women, to the point of virtually nothing regarding Aragorn and
> Arwen (leaving us mystified about why he showed no interest in
> Eowyn), was as I see it just his way of story telling when he
> saw the romance side as very much a secondary
>  matter compared with the war against Sauron.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ted
> 
> --- On Fri, 21/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have just obtained an Eagles (a nameof the scholar )
> translation of 'The
> Iliad'...this if you like to think on it...was a prequel to the
> Odyssey ...I
> 've read THe Odysssey off and on for years.....not so much The
> Iliad...now......
> You may remember that Rumpole of the Bailey was v fond of
> quoting Tennyson
> ....quite a few of the quotes were from Tennyson (onThe
> Odyssey)...to
> search, to strife and not to yield....
> met with an aged wife etc......( this just to set the
> picture.)....example
> of a man (Rumpole) who is put upon by (a) woman.......Hilary I
> think her
> name is........lovely books!
> Odyssey naturally is the tale of? (a Lord) Ulysses...(Oysseus)
> by
>  another
> name....Odysseus is brave, resourceful,loved by the Gods (for
> the
> most).... married but far away from home...he is Oh so mortally
> and
> foolishly struck by feminine charms( he loves sheilas so
> much?)....he
> seems to shag every woman that he meets...with exceptions. He
> literally is
> led by his...!
> It is largely then for these reasons that he's so long away
> from Ithica and
> his missus Penelope.
> It has often stuck me (and others too) that Tollers had his
> odyssey
> characters quite (well most of the time) unaffected by the
> charms of
> women..and sex! This IS NOT a new subject in our studies.......
> Some feminists might have even stronger views on a rather
> serious Oxford Don
> who likes a pint, smokes his pipe in a snug of THE Baby and is
> so smug about
> his writing that he doesn't even much discuss it with Edith.He
> doodles and
> draws his little pictures and sketches in man like creatures
> who are not men
> who are (some of
>  them married) when back at home but the two main
> protagonists seem bachelor types through and through...Tollers
> seems to me,
> to be a classic case of a man who (either) should not have
> married OR
> married in haste ( and too young) and repented at leisure? ? at
> a great
> length of leisure too....Does this affect the Don and his
> tales?..I think it
> does.
> Is this true?
> I dunno.
> But his Bilbo and his Frodo seem sexless to me?
> Is this true?.
> An Odyssey without a Ulysses.
> jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 10:01:22 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:01:22 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
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M!
To answer re the catering......extensive options here I think..full meals
(dinners and the like and snacks are available).we get tea or cofee and
biscuits thrown in with our small fee.......but there's a dining room behind
our room.......If we wanted.we could book (bulk I reckon) ......give the pub
peiple our numbers......
Folks could opt for dinner(lunch) and pay at counter sort of thing or we
could collect ...up to you!....soon I'll check on a restaurant (Carlton
probably) where we could dine afterwards ..before or in between....I've som
place in mind already.
It ( the hotel) is a pokie venue as well.....but Frodo only gambled on
winning riddles
In order for me to get the photos up..(listening Dave?) I either have to
find a (new) cord for my digie camera or find my old one.I've the photos now
but not the connection.....do not expect fine nerdism from a bloody poet
love jeff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> All to Tony! We are a non-profit organization, at least when it comes to
> money.
>
> I will be looking out for the photos Jeff. The Call for Papers will be
> published in the next Amon Hen and also on their web site.
>
> Jeff - I'll need to start thinking about caterers. Does the Pascoe Vale do
> such work?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>  > Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 9:58 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> >
> > Thanks many heaps Mikhail.....I mean for the (unintended and
> > univited but
> > welcome bid..With no pressure from me I mean...and a timely bid
> > by
> > you.....do not yet specify amount.WAIT!)...I will tell our
> > artist(Tony) that
> > there are 2 bids.....up to this date.......this is only the
> > truth..I shall
> > not specify the bids to Tony...Two at sight unseen..My bid  to
> > be
> > say....$85...
> > I reckon that whatTony will come up with (may) fetch $250 to
> > $300
> > plus...(just ballparkly) quoting. Or MORE?
> > Note it will likely be a spray painted type of work in micro
> > and macro
> > painting artforms..he's a whiz!...he learnt this whilst
> > decorating cars!!!!!
> > When the work is done I will get David to put it up(I will
> > photo it
> > digitally) on  website(s).....
> > On the day we/I will handle the finality of the bids........
> > If you want Tol Harndor to have a cut you can say so
> > M..otherwise.........
> > all to Tony! Whatsay?
> > jeff
> > On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it
> > interesting. I
> > > do
> > > look forward to seeing what he conjures up.
> > >
> > > I'll be staying away from the marrow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > >  > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > >
> > > > No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
> > > > Sam's (my )
> > > > garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too
> > after
> > > > v wild winds
> > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
> > > >
> > > > I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
> > > > In my broken down old barrow.
> > > > When down went the Marrow
> > > > When the wheels hit a furrow.
> > > > On top of that the marrow,
> > > > Tumbled down a burrow.
> > > > A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
> > > > There is a giantific Marrow
> > > > Blocking up my bloody burrow.
> > > > I replied good morrow,
> > > > No need to cry foul dear fellow.
> > > > The marrow will soon be followed
> > > > By a knife and fork ;you follow?
> > > > Eat your way out of your burrow
> > > > And it will be such a fine old swallow.
> > > >
> > > > It follows then that the moral of
> > > > A tale of a falling marrow,
> > > > Is try not to think too shallow..
> > > > For there's often more to follow
> > > > When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
> > > > jeff
> > > >
> > > > Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony
> > (OUR
> > > > artist).....he
> > > > will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it
> > will
> > > > nary be a
> > > > matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
> > > > painting ..if
> > > > that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
> > > > Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother
> > ( Jose)
> > > > make a fair
> > > > wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that
> > art
> > > > must eat
> > > > too....
> > > > even in sunnie brunnie.
> > > > jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
> > > > painting...........He Is
> > > > Good!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > The fog has lifted here!
> > > > >
> > > > > It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
> > > > theme for the
> > > > > Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers
> > in
> > > > the next issue
> > > > > of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website
> > version
> > > > back up when
> > > > > you
> > > > > can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Almost a year to the day.
> > > > >
> > > > > Michael
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > >  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
> > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hey Mikhail,
> > > > > > I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for
> > the
> > > > last
> > > > > > 70 k's..
> > > > > > between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
> > > > > > I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across
> > it
> > > > (Lake
> > > > > > Mulwala)...Google Same......
> > > > > > that is the weather report for Thursday
> > > > > > jeff
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > >  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
> > > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read
> > a
> > > > prose
> > > > > > > > piece of his
> > > > > > > > named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
> > > > > > prohibitions
> > > > > > > > of censorship
> > > > > > > > ever written......I still recall this...........
> > > > > > > > ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this
> > very
> > > > > > day....fed
> > > > > > > > bullshit by
> > > > > > > > rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are
> > not
> > > > > > > > fed'.....a blind
> > > > > > > > poet writes...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on
> > this
> > > > > > show as
> > > > > > > > Beauty or
> > > > > > > > the Geek?
> > > > > > > > .........jeff
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > > > > > > > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I need to read more John Milton!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life
> > will
> > > > give
> > > > > > us
> > > > > > > > mortals
> > > > > > > > > nothing
> > > > > > > > > unless you work hard. Something like that,
> > although I
> > > > > > don't
> > > > > > > > recall who
> > > > > > > > > wrote
> > > > > > > > > it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
> > > > planes,
> > > > > > no
> > > > > > > > trains, just the
> > > > > > > > > automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > > > > > > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
> > > > > > > > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ...we won!
> > > > > > > > > > A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
> > > > > > > > > > And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
> > > > > > > > > > Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
> > > > > > > > > > John Milton
> > > > > > > > > > jeff
> > > > > > > > >  >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 24 10:02:23 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 10:02:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
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Yes Ted I blooming well will let you have more time.
jeff

On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> The Larry Niven mail list has been doing a lot of talking about two reviews
> of LotR:
>
> Michael Moorcock's review: http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953
>
> and
>
> David Brin's review:
> http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html
>
> Both these well known and much read and liked science fiction writers have
> taken a very big swipe at Tolkien and his work. Currently I've only read
> Moorcock's critique and I get the impression that his similar to, but
> stronger than, China Mi?ville's. That is taking a very hard line. All three
> authors (Brin, Moorcock and Mi?ville) are politically leftist and that
> appears to have had a considerable influence on the nature of their reviews.
> However I suggest you check the two links yourselves.
>
> Jeff, give me a bit more time to assimilate your comments re Leopold Bloom.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug 24 16:30:47 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2009 16:30:47 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
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Jeff Lynch wrote:

> In order for me to get the photos up..(listening Dave?) I either have to
> find a (new) cord for my digie camera or find my old one.I've the photos now
> but not the connection.....do not expect fine nerdism from a bloody poet

All else fails, take the camera to a computer shop and ask them if they 
have a cable you can buy. I say computer shop and not camera since the 
cables only come in a few varieties and the computer shop would sell 
them much more cheaply.

cheers,
David



> love jeff
> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
>> All to Tony! We are a non-profit organization, at least when it comes to
>> money.
>>
>> I will be looking out for the photos Jeff. The Call for Papers will be
>> published in the next Amon Hen and also on their web site.
>>
>> Jeff - I'll need to start thinking about caterers. Does the Pascoe Vale do
>> such work?
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>  > Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 9:58 AM
>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>
>>> Thanks many heaps Mikhail.....I mean for the (unintended and
>>> univited but
>>> welcome bid..With no pressure from me I mean...and a timely bid
>>> by
>>> you.....do not yet specify amount.WAIT!)...I will tell our
>>> artist(Tony) that
>>> there are 2 bids.....up to this date.......this is only the
>>> truth..I shall
>>> not specify the bids to Tony...Two at sight unseen..My bid  to
>>> be
>>> say....$85...
>>> I reckon that whatTony will come up with (may) fetch $250 to
>>> $300
>>> plus...(just ballparkly) quoting. Or MORE?
>>> Note it will likely be a spray painted type of work in micro
>>> and macro
>>> painting artforms..he's a whiz!...he learnt this whilst
>>> decorating cars!!!!!
>>> When the work is done I will get David to put it up(I will
>>> photo it
>>> digitally) on  website(s).....
>>> On the day we/I will handle the finality of the bids........
>>> If you want Tol Harndor to have a cut you can say so
>>> M..otherwise.........
>>> all to Tony! Whatsay?
>>> jeff
>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it
>>> interesting. I
>>>> do
>>>> look forward to seeing what he conjures up.
>>>>
>>>> I'll be staying away from the marrow.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>  > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>
>>>>> No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
>>>>> Sam's (my )
>>>>> garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too
>>> after
>>>>> v wild winds
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>> A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
>>>>>
>>>>> I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
>>>>> In my broken down old barrow.
>>>>> When down went the Marrow
>>>>> When the wheels hit a furrow.
>>>>> On top of that the marrow,
>>>>> Tumbled down a burrow.
>>>>> A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
>>>>> There is a giantific Marrow
>>>>> Blocking up my bloody burrow.
>>>>> I replied good morrow,
>>>>> No need to cry foul dear fellow.
>>>>> The marrow will soon be followed
>>>>> By a knife and fork ;you follow?
>>>>> Eat your way out of your burrow
>>>>> And it will be such a fine old swallow.
>>>>>
>>>>> It follows then that the moral of
>>>>> A tale of a falling marrow,
>>>>> Is try not to think too shallow..
>>>>> For there's often more to follow
>>>>> When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
>>>>> jeff
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony
>>> (OUR
>>>>> artist).....he
>>>>> will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it
>>> will
>>>>> nary be a
>>>>> matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
>>>>> painting ..if
>>>>> that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
>>>>> Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother
>>> ( Jose)
>>>>> make a fair
>>>>> wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that
>>> art
>>>>> must eat
>>>>> too....
>>>>> even in sunnie brunnie.
>>>>> jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
>>>>> painting...........He Is
>>>>> Good!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The fog has lifted here!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
>>>>> theme for the
>>>>>> Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers
>>> in
>>>>> the next issue
>>>>>> of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website
>>> version
>>>>> back up when
>>>>>> you
>>>>>> can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Almost a year to the day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hey Mikhail,
>>>>>>> I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for
>>> the
>>>>> last
>>>>>>> 70 k's..
>>>>>>> between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
>>>>>>> I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across
>>> it
>>>>> (Lake
>>>>>>> Mulwala)...Google Same......
>>>>>>> that is the weather report for Thursday
>>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>>>  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
>>>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read
>>> a
>>>>> prose
>>>>>>>>> piece of his
>>>>>>>>> named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
>>>>>>> prohibitions
>>>>>>>>> of censorship
>>>>>>>>> ever written......I still recall this...........
>>>>>>>>> ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this
>>> very
>>>>>>> day....fed
>>>>>>>>> bullshit by
>>>>>>>>> rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are
>>> not
>>>>>>>>> fed'.....a blind
>>>>>>>>> poet writes...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on
>>> this
>>>>>>> show as
>>>>>>>>> Beauty or
>>>>>>>>> the Geek?
>>>>>>>>> .........jeff
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I need to read more John Milton!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life
>>> will
>>>>> give
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>> mortals
>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>> unless you work hard. Something like that,
>>> although I
>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>> recall who
>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
>>>>> planes,
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>> trains, just the
>>>>>>>>>> automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
>>>>>>>>>>> ...we won!
>>>>>>>>>>> A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
>>>>>>>>>>> And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
>>>>>>>>>>> John Milton
>>>>>>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 09:17:06 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:17:06 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <4A923397.6050108@roots-boots.net>
References: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
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Yea Davie!
I will do so ...and on this very day.
 do thank ya Davos....
Weather report...
The weatheros are predicting High Winds later this day.
Storm warnings upon Bass Strait later.....
Sun is shining for the now......we have had rain for(a few bits of the
day)...on most days for a week...mty water tanks are full....and leaning a
bit too......remember I told you I employed a poet to under pin and place
these tanks in place...an ex red headed one at that.
If they all fall over.....what do I say?
tanks for the memory.
jeff

On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 4:30 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Jeff Lynch wrote:
>
> In order for me to get the photos up..(listening Dave?) I either have to
>> find a (new) cord for my digie camera or find my old one.I've the photos
>> now
>> but not the connection.....do not expect fine nerdism from a bloody poet
>>
>
> All else fails, take the camera to a computer shop and ask them if they
> have a cable you can buy. I say computer shop and not camera since the
> cables only come in a few varieties and the computer shop would sell them
> much more cheaply.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>
>
> love jeff
>> On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 9:23 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>> All to Tony! We are a non-profit organization, at least when it comes to
>>> money.
>>>
>>> I will be looking out for the photos Jeff. The Call for Papers will be
>>> published in the next Amon Hen and also on their web site.
>>>
>>> Jeff - I'll need to start thinking about caterers. Does the Pascoe Vale
>>> do
>>> such work?
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>
>>>  > Sent: Wednesday, 19 August 2009 9:58 AM
>>>
>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>
>>>> Thanks many heaps Mikhail.....I mean for the (unintended and
>>>> univited but
>>>> welcome bid..With no pressure from me I mean...and a timely bid
>>>> by
>>>> you.....do not yet specify amount.WAIT!)...I will tell our
>>>> artist(Tony) that
>>>> there are 2 bids.....up to this date.......this is only the
>>>> truth..I shall
>>>> not specify the bids to Tony...Two at sight unseen..My bid  to
>>>> be
>>>> say....$85...
>>>> I reckon that whatTony will come up with (may) fetch $250 to
>>>> $300
>>>> plus...(just ballparkly) quoting. Or MORE?
>>>> Note it will likely be a spray painted type of work in micro
>>>> and macro
>>>> painting artforms..he's a whiz!...he learnt this whilst
>>>> decorating cars!!!!!
>>>> When the work is done I will get David to put it up(I will
>>>> photo it
>>>> digitally) on  website(s).....
>>>> On the day we/I will handle the finality of the bids........
>>>> If you want Tol Harndor to have a cut you can say so
>>>> M..otherwise.........
>>>> all to Tony! Whatsay?
>>>> jeff
>>>> On Tue, Aug 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'll make a bid too if for no other reason than to make it
>>>>>
>>>> interesting. I
>>>>
>>>>> do
>>>>> look forward to seeing what he conjures up.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll be staying away from the marrow.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>
>>>>>  > Sent: Monday, 17 August 2009 9:46 AM
>>>>>
>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No fog on the Marrow downs...Huzzah!....spring planting for
>>>>>> Sam's (my )
>>>>>> garden soon...veggies of course.......good signs here too
>>>>>>
>>>>> after
>>>>
>>>>> v wild winds
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A Harrowing Tale of a Narrow Burrow Marrow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I once wheeled the biggest Marrow,
>>>>>> In my broken down old barrow.
>>>>>> When down went the Marrow
>>>>>> When the wheels hit a furrow.
>>>>>> On top of that the marrow,
>>>>>> Tumbled down a burrow.
>>>>>> A rabbit cried 'fair fellow',
>>>>>> There is a giantific Marrow
>>>>>> Blocking up my bloody burrow.
>>>>>> I replied good morrow,
>>>>>> No need to cry foul dear fellow.
>>>>>> The marrow will soon be followed
>>>>>> By a knife and fork ;you follow?
>>>>>> Eat your way out of your burrow
>>>>>> And it will be such a fine old swallow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It follows then that the moral of
>>>>>> A tale of a falling marrow,
>>>>>> Is try not to think too shallow..
>>>>>> For there's often more to follow
>>>>>> When and if  disaster strikes tomorrow.
>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes almost one year to the day.....Now I will tell Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>> (OUR
>>>>
>>>>> artist).....he
>>>>>> will do an Odyssey type theme..if that suits him if not it
>>>>>>
>>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>> nary be a
>>>>>> matter....then we will ask for bidders (err buyers) for the
>>>>>> painting ..if
>>>>>> that does not concern all of ye ...or Any?
>>>>>> Not that the money is a big concern...he and his brother
>>>>>>
>>>>> ( Jose)
>>>>
>>>>> make a fair
>>>>>> wage from their Auto Smash repair shop....it is just that
>>>>>>
>>>>> art
>>>>
>>>>> must eat
>>>>>> too....
>>>>>> even in sunnie brunnie.
>>>>>> jeff....I willl be making a starter bid for the
>>>>>> painting...........He Is
>>>>>> Good!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:48 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The fog has lifted here!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's now official - we will push on with the Odyssey as a
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> theme for the
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seminar 2010! The TS will be publishing a Call for Papers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> in
>>>>
>>>>> the next issue
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> of Amon Hen, so please go ahead and put the website
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> version
>>>>
>>>>> back up when
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>> can.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Almost a year to the day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  > Sent: Thursday, 13 August 2009 10:16 AM
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Mikhail,
>>>>>>>> I am in Yarrawonga again..Fog on the Sparrow Downs for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the
>>>>
>>>>> last
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 70 k's..
>>>>>>>> between Benalla and Yarra if that means a thing.
>>>>>>>> I must go down to the lake and look at the fog across
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it
>>>>
>>>>> (Lake
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Mulwala)...Google Same......
>>>>>>>> that is the weather report for Thursday
>>>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2009 at 4:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jeff,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I cannot even pronounce 'Areoprogitica'!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beauty or the geek? I'm surprised you have to ask. :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  > Sent: Tuesday, 11 August 2009 9:32 AM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ...If you are going to read (more) Milton M....read
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>> prose
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  piece of his
>>>>>>>>>> named Areoprogitica(Sp?) this is one of the best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> prohibitions
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> of censorship
>>>>>>>>>> ever written......I still recall this...........
>>>>>>>>>> ' of the folk...whom we still recognize to this
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> very
>>>>
>>>>>  day....fed
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> bullshit by
>>>>>>>>>> rubbish press....'Blind mouths that look up and are
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>
>>>>>   fed'.....a blind
>>>>>>>>>> poet writes...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Now we all need to know Mikhail...Are you going on
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>
>>>>>  show as
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Beauty or
>>>>>>>>>> the Geek?
>>>>>>>>>> .........jeff
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, Aug 10, 2009 at 5:10 PM, Michael Kennedy
>>>>>>>>>> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I need to read more John Milton!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Workaholic! Now where's that quote again - life
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> will
>>>>
>>>>> give
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> us
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> mortals
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> nothing
>>>>>>>>>>> unless you work hard. Something like that,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> although I
>>>>
>>>>>  don't
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> recall who
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote
>>>>>>>>>>> it, except that its Greek or Roman in origin.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Actually a relatively cruisey week this one. No
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> planes,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> trains, just the
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> automobile and if I'm lucky a bike.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>>>>>>>>>>>> Sent: Monday, 10 August 2009 9:23 AM
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>  > Whack and then sizzlo Mitchell and then Whacko
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ...we won!
>>>>>>>>>>>> A day off?...will nee'r do you know.
>>>>>>>>>>>> And I thought that you were a workaholic M?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> At last he rose and twitched his mantle blue.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Tomorrow to fresh woods and pastures new.
>>>>>>>>>>>> John Milton
>>>>>>>>>>>> jeff
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>
>>>>>    List mailing list
>>>>>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> List mailing list
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>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 25 09:21:52 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 09:21:52 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <295949.78328.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <295949.78328.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908241621j41dc1b84o94d39d847ee24b12@mail.gmail.com>

Pooh and the shitloads of lit crit.
I still read Winnie The Pooh
......And The Wind In The Willows too........any one for an fight on the
subject.
Ted....Joyce?
jeff
On Sun, Aug 23, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> The Larry Niven mail list has been doing a lot of talking about two reviews
> of LotR:
>
> Michael Moorcock's review: http://www.revolutionsf.com/article.php?id=953
>
> and
>
> David Brin's review:
> http://dir.salon.com/story/ent/feature/2002/12/17/tolkien_brin/index.html
>
> Both these well known and much read and liked science fiction writers have
> taken a very big swipe at Tolkien and his work. Currently I've only read
> Moorcock's critique and I get the impression that his similar to, but
> stronger than, China Mi?ville's. That is taking a very hard line. All three
> authors (Brin, Moorcock and Mi?ville) are politically leftist and that
> appears to have had a considerable influence on the nature of their reviews.
> However I suggest you check the two links yourselves.
>
> Jeff, give me a bit more time to assimilate your comments re Leopold Bloom.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue Aug 25 10:13:57 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 00:13:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908241621j41dc1b84o94d39d847ee24b12@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <545021.59217.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As a matter of fact a lot of the Niven listers don't like either Moorcock's or Brin's evaluation of LotR. Indeed a remarkable number don't like Moorcock or Brin. Yes, I liked Pooh. A little exercise - Google up "Pooh" - you get heaps of Disney's Pooh. Google up "Pooh + Shepard" - you then get the original Pooh illustrations. But don't google up "Poo" unless you wish to be revulsed. Why is the *Enterprise* like toilet paper?

I liked some of Wind in the Willows, but I think I mentioned Grahame's take on Pan - I found that a bit hard to swallow - and he gave one chapter the title "Like Summer Tempests Came His Tears", derived from a quote but with two changes from the original. What's the original, Jeff?
?

--- On Tue, 25/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Pooh and the shitloads of lit crit.
I still read Winnie The Pooh
......And The Wind In The Willows too........any one for an fight on the
subject.




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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Tue Aug 25 11:23:15 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 11:23:15 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908241617m4d30a82br661a0d3840135b35@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
	<ecc18000908231701g374a4902k23bf740170702e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A923397.6050108@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908241617m4d30a82br661a0d3840135b35@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090825112315.kqswnlnw4c8kkksc@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> Weather report...
> The weatheros are predicting High Winds later this day.

They were here last night. Trees down everywhere and the suburb next  
to where I live was very badly hit. But that suburb always is .. and  
we always miss it. Guess that's what we get to buying into a more  
expensive suburb. *g* The worst damage I saw locally was a middlish  
sized branch which had fallen off na tree beside the road and *may*  
have hit a car.

> bit too......remember I told you I employed a poet to under pin and place
> these tanks in place...an ex red headed one at that.
> If they all fall over.....what do I say?

You mean you're not the only poet down there? :)

cheers,
David
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      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies




From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:07:17 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:07:17 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <20090825112315.kqswnlnw4c8kkksc@roots-boots.net>
References: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
	<ecc18000908231701g374a4902k23bf740170702e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A923397.6050108@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908241617m4d30a82br661a0d3840135b35@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090825112315.kqswnlnw4c8kkksc@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908251607i5eef1901ob14da1ae54406f69@mail.gmail.com>

Twas I that did the finest of engineering Davy.
Jeff

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net>wrote:

> Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:
>
> Weather report...
>> The weatheros are predicting High Winds later this day.
>>
>
> They were here last night. Trees down everywhere and the suburb next to
> where I live was very badly hit. But that suburb always is .. and we always
> miss it. Guess that's what we get to buying into a more expensive suburb.
> *g* The worst damage I saw locally was a middlish sized branch which had
> fallen off na tree beside the road and *may* have hit a car.
>
> bit too......remember I told you I employed a poet to under pin and place
>> these tanks in place...an ex red headed one at that.
>> If they all fall over.....what do I say?
>>
>
> You mean you're not the only poet down there? :)
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
>  Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008
>
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:08:27 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 09:08:27 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <545021.59217.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908241621j41dc1b84o94d39d847ee24b12@mail.gmail.com>
	<545021.59217.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908251608y56d036f7td1cd6fd3de3fe3df@mail.gmail.com>

Summer tempests?
I am thinki'n onnit Ted.
Jeff

On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 10:13 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> As a matter of fact a lot of the Niven listers don't like either Moorcock's
> or Brin's evaluation of LotR. Indeed a remarkable number don't like Moorcock
> or Brin. Yes, I liked Pooh. A little exercise - Google up "Pooh" - you get
> heaps of Disney's Pooh. Google up "Pooh + Shepard" - you then get the
> original Pooh illustrations. But don't google up "Poo" unless you wish to be
> revulsed. Why is the *Enterprise* like toilet paper?
>
> I liked some of Wind in the Willows, but I think I mentioned Grahame's take
> on Pan - I found that a bit hard to swallow - and he gave one chapter the
> title "Like Summer Tempests Came His Tears", derived from a quote but with
> two changes from the original. What's the original, Jeff?
>
>
> --- On Tue, 25/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Pooh and the shitloads of lit crit.
> I still read Winnie The Pooh
> ......And The Wind In The Willows too........any one for an fight on the
> subject.
>
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Aug 26 09:21:57 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:21:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908251608y56d036f7td1cd6fd3de3fe3df@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <274831.39113.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OK. Let me know if you either give up or recall/discover it.

--- On Wed, 26/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


Summer tempests?
I am thinki'n onnit Ted.
Jeff





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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Aug 26 11:37:21 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 2009 11:37:21 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908251607i5eef1901ob14da1ae54406f69@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
	<ecc18000908231701g374a4902k23bf740170702e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A923397.6050108@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908241617m4d30a82br661a0d3840135b35@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090825112315.kqswnlnw4c8kkksc@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908251607i5eef1901ob14da1ae54406f69@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090826113721.uytos3dsowckk8go@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> Twas I that did the finest of engineering Davy.

I gathered. :)

cheers,
David

> Jeff
>
> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net>wrote:
>
>> Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:
>>
>> Weather report...
>>> The weatheros are predicting High Winds later this day.
>>>
>>
>> They were here last night. Trees down everywhere and the suburb next to
>> where I live was very badly hit. But that suburb always is .. and we always
>> miss it. Guess that's what we get to buying into a more expensive suburb.
>> *g* The worst damage I saw locally was a middlish sized branch which had
>> fallen off na tree beside the road and *may* have hit a car.
>>
>> bit too......remember I told you I employed a poet to under pin and place
>>> these tanks in place...an ex red headed one at that.
>>> If they all fall over.....what do I say?
>>>
>>
>> You mean you're not the only poet down there? :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>> --
>>  Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008
>>
>>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>>
>>
>>
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies




From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Aug 27 09:06:11 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 09:06:11 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Seminar Theme
In-Reply-To: <20090826113721.uytos3dsowckk8go@roots-boots.net>
References: <ecc18000908181658k1e7057cdp5777ca91f5e383ea@mail.gmail.com>
	<F933DEE1B192460CA4B1E5FD36704689@Michael>
	<ecc18000908231701g374a4902k23bf740170702e3f@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A923397.6050108@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908241617m4d30a82br661a0d3840135b35@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090825112315.kqswnlnw4c8kkksc@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000908251607i5eef1901ob14da1ae54406f69@mail.gmail.com>
	<20090826113721.uytos3dsowckk8go@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908261606g7dd4d727xf8c8f96ca57a9d54@mail.gmail.com>

So according to the laws of physics I must await summer and the emptying of
the tanks to straighten them up.............water being what it is F...g
heavy.
This will be anther fine hour in West Brunswick engineering...
jeff
ps .....funny thing but the wate inside the tanks is on (a) level!

On Wed, Aug 26, 2009 at 11:37 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net>wrote:

> Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:
>
>  Twas I that did the finest of engineering Davy.
>>
>
> I gathered. :)
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
> Jeff
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 25, 2009 at 11:23 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net
>> >wrote:
>>
>> Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Weather report...
>>>
>>>> The weatheros are predicting High Winds later this day.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> They were here last night. Trees down everywhere and the suburb next to
>>> where I live was very badly hit. But that suburb always is .. and we
>>> always
>>> miss it. Guess that's what we get to buying into a more expensive suburb.
>>> *g* The worst damage I saw locally was a middlish sized branch which had
>>> fallen off na tree beside the road and *may* have hit a car.
>>>
>>> bit too......remember I told you I employed a poet to under pin and place
>>>
>>>> these tanks in place...an ex red headed one at that.
>>>> If they all fall over.....what do I say?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You mean you're not the only poet down there? :)
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> David
>>> --
>>>  Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008
>>>
>>>    http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
>>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>>>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>>         own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List mailing list
>>> List at tolharndor.org
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>>
>
>
> --
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>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 28 09:19:32 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 09:19:32 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <274831.39113.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908251608y56d036f7td1cd6fd3de3fe3df@mail.gmail.com>
	<274831.39113.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908271619x4f1d7465sd243505d128852e4@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
>  It's Alfred Lord Ted.........not to be confused with Tears, ilde
> tears.....
>
not from (my) memory tho' Ted.......I crossed referenced in my Oxford Book
of English Quotations..........a luvely book.
so you WERE responding to (my) Rumpole were you not?
The Penge Bungalow Murders.....................etc, etc
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug 28 10:40:58 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 17:40:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Lord of the Rings criticism
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908271619x4f1d7465sd243505d128852e4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <762341.47211.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not to be confused with, but from the same source ("The Princess"). And what are the two differences between the original and Grahame's usage?

Rumpole often referred to the "Penge bungalow murders" but I never saw an episode devoted to that case. I' wondering if John Mortimer actually wrote one.

Oh, everyone, the 2nd of September is coming up. Remember - two events.

--- On Fri, 28/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


>? It's Alfred Lord Ted.........not to be confused with Tears, ilde
> tears.....
>
not from (my) memory tho' Ted.......I crossed referenced in my Oxford Book
of English Quotations..........a luvely book.
so you WERE responding to (my) Rumpole were you not?
The Penge Bungalow Murders.....................etc, etc
jeff




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:18:13 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 09:18:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <20090811092242.hlzxpp8dsscogkwg@roots-boots.net>
References: <CF217D9942044D03BE13F9299645F2F3@Michael>
	<20090811092242.hlzxpp8dsscogkwg@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000908301618l5a19de10occe984570e290336@mail.gmail.com>

So Davy I do hope that ypu now have the 5? images.........
I will (next year) prob have the finished work (art piece I mean) to put up
on site too.......we are to sell it?
Cold........and one tim Holding a cabinet Minister in Vic government is
missing on a tough walk up on Mount Feathertop.......mabye minus one degrees
up there?
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Aug 31 09:56:53 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 16:56:53 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000908301618l5a19de10occe984570e290336@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <493163.64309.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Jeff, in order to control our lusting after these lascivious ladies, how about posting direct to David? If they are to be put up on a site, then "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"
(Matthew 6: 34 KJB)

--- On Mon, 31/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:




So Davy I do hope that ypu now have the 5? images.........
I will (next year) prob have the finished work (art piece I mean) to put up
on site too.......we are to sell it?
Cold........and one tim Holding a cabinet Minister in Vic government is
missing on a tough walk up on Mount Feathertop.......mabye minus one degrees
up there?
jeff



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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Aug 31 12:23:33 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2009 19:23:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar and Aussiecon4
Message-ID: <764905.76848.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I notice that Chris Crawshaw is on the Facebook list for Aussiecon4, which suggests that the weekend before Aussiecon4 is a good time to hold the seminar. Are any recipients of this mail on Aussiecon4's Facebook group? I just joined. It's open to anyone even if you don't intend to go to Aussiecon4.
?
- Herendil


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From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:32:50 2009
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:32:50 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <493163.64309.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000908301618l5a19de10occe984570e290336@mail.gmail.com>
	<493163.64309.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8747777b0908302332i1c530e29v85bd9a1166db4044@mail.gmail.com>

Ha - you know the funny thing is I got called up about appearing in "Aussie
Princess 2". A day before they were about to shoot they said they didn't
need me.

You see - these reality tv shows are all the same!

P

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Jeff, in order to control our lusting after these lascivious ladies, how
> about posting direct to David? If they are to be put up on a site, then
> "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"
> (Matthew 6: 34 KJB)
>
> --- On Mon, 31/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> So Davy I do hope that ypu now have the 5? images.........
> I will (next year) prob have the finished work (art piece I mean) to put up
> on site too.......we are to sell it?
> Cold........and one tim Holding a cabinet Minister in Vic government is
> missing on a tough walk up on Mount Feathertop.......mabye minus one
> degrees
> up there?
> jeff
>
>
>
>
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From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Mon Aug 31 16:34:58 2009
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 16:34:58 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <8747777b0908302332i1c530e29v85bd9a1166db4044@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ecc18000908301618l5a19de10occe984570e290336@mail.gmail.com>
	<493163.64309.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8747777b0908302332i1c530e29v85bd9a1166db4044@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8747777b0908302334m10db004ep30a63a870034b2d4@mail.gmail.com>

I neglected to mention that it was through my connections with the Syd Uni
Tolkien Society (now no longer alas). However they probably wanted someone
with poor social skills to embarace the princesses - so I wasn't too
miserable about missing my chance for stardom.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ha - you know the funny thing is I got called up about appearing in "Aussie
> Princess 2". A day before they were about to shoot they said they didn't
> need me.
>
> You see - these reality tv shows are all the same!
>
> P
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 9:56 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>> Jeff, in order to control our lusting after these lascivious ladies, how
>> about posting direct to David? If they are to be put up on a site, then
>> "sufficient unto the day is the evil thereof"
>> (Matthew 6: 34 KJB)
>>
>> --- On Mon, 31/8/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> So Davy I do hope that ypu now have the 5? images.........
>> I will (next year) prob have the finished work (art piece I mean) to put
>> up
>> on site too.......we are to sell it?
>> Cold........and one tim Holding a cabinet Minister in Vic government is
>> missing on a tough walk up on Mount Feathertop.......mabye minus one
>> degrees
>> up there?
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Aug 31 18:40:49 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 01:40:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] FW: Beauty & the Geek auditions
In-Reply-To: <8747777b0908302334m10db004ep30a63a870034b2d4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69095.59577.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

...and just how long have you been back in Australia and lurking, Peter? Why would they want a person with poor social skills to embrace the princess? However I'm thinking of what would happen these days in the event of the marriage of Aragorn and Arwen. The "mixed marriage" would cause a great furore, including the ugly rumours about what Aragorn had been up to in the 87 or so years that he'd been roaming through the wilds. Not to mention the uglier rumours about what Arwen had been up to in the circa 2,500 or so years that she'd been waiting for a husband. As for televising it and beaming it through the palantir network: well you can imagine the ads for genuine Rivendell mead, genuine Bree beer, genuine Shire beer and of course genuine Southfarthing pipeweed. I forbear to continue (you'll be pleased to know).

On a more pleasant note: don't forget 2 Sep. Remembrances JRRT, happies MLK.

--- On Mon, 31/8/09, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

I neglected to mention that it was through my connections with the Syd Uni
Tolkien Society (now no longer alas). However they probably wanted someone
with poor social skills to embarace the princesses - so I wasn't too
miserable about missing my chance for stardom.

On Mon, Aug 31, 2009 at 4:32 PM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Ha - you know the funny thing is I got called up about appearing in "Aussie
> Princess 2". A day before they were about to shoot they said they didn't
> need me.
>
> You see - these reality tv shows are all the same!
>
> P




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