From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 09:49:47 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2009 09:49:47 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sergio Wippel anyone?
In-Reply-To: <9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
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Michael....how's Heaney going?
jeff

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:43 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> I'm still here Jeff! I'm sitting at my desk in muted light reading Seamus
> Heaney's version of Beowulf...So. The Spear-Danes in days gone by..
>
> I've been otherwise occupied of late with less cerebral-satisfying matters
> that some refer to as work. Fortunately, the brakes have been applied as we
> edge closer to December, which should be a relatively quiet month to catch
> up on a few things that are more appealing.
>
> I have received three talks so far for August next year. Not many but if I
> recall from last time, most arrived in the last few months.
>
> I hope all is well!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > Sent: Tuesday, 24 November 2009 11:08 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sergio Wippel anyone?
> >
>  > Don't know. Want us to send out a search party?
> >
> > --- On Tue, 24/11/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > Where O where is little Michael?
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Dec  9 17:51:59 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 09 Dec 2009 17:51:59 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>

Speaking of Michael ..

Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm 
he wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him 
since ... which does not sound promising.

cheers,
David
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           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 09:28:13 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 09:28:13 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
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No preessure on ye ed....(but) do you know when number 4....Tikal may come
out?
jeff.....
the silly contibutor.....

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Speaking of Michael ..
>
> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm he
> wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him since
> ... which does not sound promising.
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
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>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Thu Dec 10 18:20:28 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (mlk at activ8.net.au)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2009 18:20:28 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <20091210182028.c2hy507bk8o4w4ws@webmail.activ8.net.au>

Hi David,

No...not a peep. I'm not sure what that means as I was sure he was  
genuinely interested. If I hear back from him I'll let you know.

Michael

Quoting Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net>:

> Speaking of Michael ..
>
> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm
> he wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from
> him since ... which does not sound promising.
>
> cheers,
> David
> -- 
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 09:35:10 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 09:35:10 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912101435r368c1c69y527c417b1bc5774a@mail.gmail.com>

Do we want (need) more members....want more Melbourne members......?
If we do..... I'll beat some drums??
Not sure about that?
jeff

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Speaking of Michael ..
>
> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm he
> wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him since
> ... which does not sound promising.
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 09:25:58 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 09:25:58 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>
	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>
	<4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912111425p5b35e0efte7778a5469ff4034@mail.gmail.com>

There was a young Owen from Clyde,
Who ate some green apples and died.
The apples fermented inside the lamented
And made cider inside his insides.


not original....

Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice boyhos?...Beddgelert even
better!
jeff enquires?

On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Speaking of Michael ..
>
> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm he
> wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him since
> ... which does not sound promising.
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Dec 12 10:01:29 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2009 15:01:29 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912111425p5b35e0efte7778a5469ff4034@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <103159.92686.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.

--- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


There was a young Owen from Clyde,
Who ate some green apples and died.
The apples fermented inside the lamented
And made cider inside his insides.


not original....

Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice boyhos?...Beddgelert even
better!
jeff enquires?




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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Dec 12 13:21:05 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 02:21:05 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <683967.73491.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <466139.44026.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

That is a film I rented once. It was quite interesting. Certainly worth a look. :) I adore time travel stuffs!!

Elise
--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 14:47


According to the Wikipedia:

Primer is a 2004 American science fiction 
film about the accidental discovery of time travel. The film was written, directed and 
produced by Shane 
Carruth, a mathematician and a former engineer, and was completed on a 
budget of $7,000.[1]
Primer is of note for its extremely low budget, experimental plot 
structure and complex technical dialogue, which Carruth chose not to 'dumb down' 
for the sake of his audience. One reviewer said that "anybody who claims [to] 
fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is 
either a savant or a liar."[2] The film 
collected the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 2004 before securing a 
limited release in US cinemas, and has since gained a cult following.

--- On Sat, 7/11/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:


Michael Kennedy wrote:
> Very good. What's Primer?

I had the same reaction .. and have no idea.

cheers,
David





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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sat Dec 12 17:17:17 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 17:17:17 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <103159.92686.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E548AF1925784038B1566F80370E5574@Michael>

The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are several old
ladies there, some young ones too.

Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> 
> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> 
> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
> 
> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
> Who ate some green apples and died.
> The apples fermented inside the lamented
> And made cider inside his insides.
> 
> 
> not original....
> 
> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
> boyhos?...Beddgelert even
> better!
> jeff enquires?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 09:18:30 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:18:30 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <466139.44026.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <683967.73491.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<466139.44026.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912121418g4259feew5f183e66f7f283d4@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all...... and on time travel...I guess that you sci boffins....I nearly
said sci buffoons know that (theoretically) time travel IS possible...just
as with certain particles it possible to do a 'beam me up
scotty'....transportation here and now......
But apparently in Einsteinian terms..... it is the SPEED that defeats us...
und (speed of light connatations)......that defeat us......errr them.
...at least for the now any hows?
Any comments Davted?
love jeff
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> That is a film I rented once. It was quite interesting. Certainly worth a
> look. :) I adore time travel stuffs!!
>
> Elise
> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 14:47
>
>
> According to the Wikipedia:
>
> Primer is a 2004 American science fiction
> film about the accidental discovery of time travel. The film was written,
> directed and
> produced by Shane
> Carruth, a mathematician and a former engineer, and was completed on a
> budget of $7,000.[1]
> Primer is of note for its extremely low budget, experimental plot
> structure and complex technical dialogue, which Carruth chose not to 'dumb
> down'
> for the sake of his audience. One reviewer said that "anybody who claims
> [to]
> fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is
> either a savant or a liar."[2] The film
> collected the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 2004 before securing a
> limited release in US cinemas, and has since gained a cult following.
>
> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
>
>
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > Very good. What's Primer?
>
> I had the same reaction .. and have no idea.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 09:33:37 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:33:37 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <E548AF1925784038B1566F80370E5574@Michael>
References: <E548AF1925784038B1566F80370E5574@Michael>
Message-ID: <4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are several old
> ladies there, some young ones too.
>
> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?

Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction series, Brother 
Cadfael, was set in and around the town ... 1000 years ago mind you.

cheers,
David

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>
>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>
>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>> The apples fermented inside the lamented
>> And made cider inside his insides.
>>
>>
>> not original....
>>
>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>> boyhos?...Beddgelert even
>> better!
>> jeff enquires?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________________________
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 09:40:36 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:40:36 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>
References: <E548AF1925784038B1566F80370E5574@Michael>
	<4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912121440p5ad6cd09s313b137d767a6ad9@mail.gmail.com>

Shrewsbury?
Why yes I do know it well....spent two weeks almost there 2 and one half
years ago....v interesting near Welsh marches town..very arty crafty...fine
palce to visit...waiting for reply
J

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>
>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are several old
>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>
>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>
>
> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction series, Brother
> Cadfael, was set in and around the town ... 1000 years ago mind you.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>
>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented
>>> And made cider inside his insides.
>>>
>>>
>>> not original....
>>>
>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert even
>>> better!
>>> jeff enquires?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________________________
>>> ___________________
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>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
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>>
>>
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>>
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>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 09:43:55 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:43:55 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>
References: <E548AF1925784038B1566F80370E5574@Michael>
	<4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912121443p51ebd456n2cd0bccee5863ad5@mail.gmail.com>

und I have written a little about Shrewsbury....pronounced Shrowsbury in a
work I did (mostly) in Beddgelert.......it (the work ) is not finished ...I
work on it these days! Towns on a lovely loop in the always flooding
river..as in Cadfael!
jeff

On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:33 AM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>
>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are several old
>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>
>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>
>
> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction series, Brother
> Cadfael, was set in and around the town ... 1000 years ago mind you.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>
>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>
>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented
>>> And made cider inside his insides.
>>>
>>>
>>> not original....
>>>
>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert even
>>> better!
>>> jeff enquires?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 09:48:54 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 09:48:54 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912121418g4259feew5f183e66f7f283d4@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Dear all...... and on time travel...I guess that you sci boffins....I nearly
> said sci buffoons know that (theoretically) time travel IS possible...just
> as with certain particles it possible to do a 'beam me up
> scotty'....transportation here and now......
> But apparently in Einsteinian terms..... it is the SPEED that defeats us...
> und (speed of light connatations)......that defeat us......errr them.
> ...at least for the now any hows?
> Any comments Davted?

Transportation, ala star trek, is theoretically possible. In fact it 
already exists .. they have transported single particles over the 
distance of several kilometres. A group in Canberra is doing leading 
work on it. Alas, the prospect of zipping over to New York for the 
afternoon is not on .. while it works for sub atomic particles and 
theoretically would work for humans, let's just say the computing power 
required with the current approaches is, ahh, large. It requires a 
supercomputer days to do the calculations to transport a sub-atomic 
particle and your body contains zillions of them, and not only does each 
one need to be mapped, but the relationship of each one to every other one.

Speed of light is another possibility .. current laws merely say it is 
impossible to travel *AT* the speed of light. Travelling slower or 
faster is all quite feasible. However, there are some interesting 
theories coming out which are suggesting the possibility of a warp drive 
or similar FTL space drive.

Time travel ... that's another matter. There was some speculation and 
suggestions that it may have been possible in some theories, but that 
looks to have been red herrings. There was also speculation for a while 
that certain types of neutrinos actually travelling backwards in time, 
but that has since been shown to be not the case.

So at this stage teleportation and FTL may be possible .. but the jury 
has shut up shop for the day on the possibility of time travel.

cheers,
Dr David
The resident mad (institutionalised) scientist (retired)

> love jeff
> On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 1:21 PM, dryad<dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk>  wrote:
>
>> That is a film I rented once. It was quite interesting. Certainly worth a
>> look. :) I adore time travel stuffs!!
>>
>> Elise
>> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Edwin Scribner<krenon at y7mail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Edwin Scribner<krenon at y7mail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
>> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society"<list at tolharndor.org>
>> Date: Saturday, 7 November, 2009, 14:47
>>
>>
>> According to the Wikipedia:
>>
>> Primer is a 2004 American science fiction
>> film about the accidental discovery of time travel. The film was written,
>> directed and
>> produced by Shane
>> Carruth, a mathematician and a former engineer, and was completed on a
>> budget of $7,000.[1]
>> Primer is of note for its extremely low budget, experimental plot
>> structure and complex technical dialogue, which Carruth chose not to 'dumb
>> down'
>> for the sake of his audience. One reviewer said that "anybody who claims
>> [to]
>> fully understand what's going on in Primer after seeing it just once is
>> either a savant or a liar."[2] The film
>> collected the Grand Jury Prize at Sundance in 2004 before securing a
>> limited release in US cinemas, and has since gained a cult following.
>>
>> --- On Sat, 7/11/09, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>> Very good. What's Primer?
>>
>> I had the same reaction .. and have no idea.
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Dec 13 09:54:30 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2009 14:54:30 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912121418g4259feew5f183e66f7f283d4@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jeff.

re boffins and buffoons: I think Tom Robbins might value clowns over scientists, but most people are gulled, trepanned or forced through peer group pressure to revere scientists. An interesting odd case: though he is by no means a scientist, author Terry Dowling (whose writing does have a faint tinge of Tom Robbins though both he and Tom would probably not like me for saying it) has received a doctorate from the English department of the University of Western Australia, his thesis being titled "Clowns at Midnight". He's now looking for a publisher (I think he has found one).

When you speak of "speed" you are also referring to time because speed equals distance divided by time. "Transporters" a la Star Trek (or transfer booths a la Larry Niven) are bound by c (speed of light in a vacuum, around 3*10^10 cm/sec) but distances are usually short enough to call the transport time negligibly short. It's the longer scale where time really comes into its own - culminating in the notion that the observation of distant objects is not only looking out in distance but looking back in time, so the absolute limit of distance is the age of the universe.

Does that help? How much time does it take to become bored s***less?

--- On Sun, 13/12/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all...... and on time travel...I guess that you sci boffins....I nearly
said sci buffoons know that (theoretically) time travel IS possible...just
as with certain particles it possible to do a 'beam me up
scotty'....transportation here and now......
But apparently in Einsteinian terms..... it is the SPEED that defeats us...
und (speed of light connatations)......that defeat us......errr them.
...at least for the now any hows?
Any comments Davted?
love jeff




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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Dec 13 18:42:08 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 18:42:08 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B241A41.6060106@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <2E8B278AE537414581B82812612FDF7F@Michael>

David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the time
during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael
series, which I have found to be quite engaging. Having now finished the
first three I realise how historically accurate it is, including the history
of Shrewsbury, and particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
extensive travels may have visited this town. 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> 
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are 
> several old 
> > ladies there, some young ones too.
> >
> > Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
> 
> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction 
> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ... 
> 1000 years ago mind you.
> 
> cheers,
> David
> 
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list- 
> >> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> >> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> >> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> >> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> >>
> >> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> >>
> >> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
> >> Who ate some green apples and died.
> >> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside his 
> >> insides.
> >>
> >>
> >> not original....
> >>
> >> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice 
> boyhos?...Beddgelert 
> >> even better!
> >> jeff enquires?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 22:13:20 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:13:20 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <2E8B278AE537414581B82812612FDF7F@Michael>
References: <2E8B278AE537414581B82812612FDF7F@Michael>
Message-ID: <4B24CC50.5080000@roots-boots.net>

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the time
> during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael
> series, which I have found to be quite engaging. Having now finished the
> first three I realise how historically accurate it is, including the history
> of Shrewsbury, and particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
> extensive travels may have visited this town.

Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ... since the 
80's. Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on DVD not 
long ago. Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.

cheers,
David

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>
>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
>> several old
>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>>
>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>
>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction
>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
>> 1000 years ago mind you.
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>
>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>>
>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside his
>>>> insides.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> not original....
>>>>
>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
>>>> even better!
>>>> jeff enquires?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________________________
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 22:16:50 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:16:50 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
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G'day Jeff,

> No preessure on ye ed....(but) do you know when number 4....Tikal may come
> out?

Sometime next year, to coincide with the moot. I'm still rather 
forlornly hoping for submissions from someone other than you (Jeff) .. 
not that I'm not happy with your submissions, but it'd be nice if the 
next issue had something by someone else!!!! And yes, that's a bit of 
pressure on everyone else. Well I do have one or two items not by Jeff 
... and several dozen by Jeff.

cheers,
The Deranged Editor


> jeff.....
> the silly contibutor.....
>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Michael ..
>>
>> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm he
>> wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him since
>> ... which does not sound promising.
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 22:20:29 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:20:29 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912101435r368c1c69y527c417b1bc5774a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <178869.97060.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<9D308144EA7B48B7889A8E75095B6206@Michael>	<ecc18000912081449u4ec42dfavcf03e5211a031337@mail.gmail.com>	<4B1F490F.50803@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000912101435r368c1c69y527c417b1bc5774a@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Do we want (need) more members....want more Melbourne members......?
> If we do..... I'll beat some drums??
> Not sure about that?

I daresay anyone who can demonstrate an interest in Tolkien & his works 
and is willing to be a reasonably active member of the online group. At 
least post once or twice a year. :) I'd have to check the stats, but I 
would hazard to say 1/3rd of the subscribed members have not posted at 
all in the past 12 months.

cheers,
David


>
> On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
>
>> Speaking of Michael ..
>>
>> Have you heard back from Owen Appleton? I sent him an email to confirm he
>> wanted to join the group and you did as well. I've not heard from him since
>> ... which does not sound promising.
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
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>>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Dec 13 22:24:32 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2009 22:24:32 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
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References: <503951.28266.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Edwin Scribner wrote:
>
> re boffins and buffoons: I think Tom Robbins might value clowns over scientists,
 > but most people are gulled, trepanned or forced through peer group 
pressure to
> revere scientists.

Possibly ... and I'm not going to argue the point ... but insofar as 
role models go, surely one would rate scientists, as a profession, at 
least above that of politicians, sporting stars and entertainment stars, 
be they music, tv or the silver screen. All of whom either directly or 
indirectly demand our reverence.

cheers,
David
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 09:12:02 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:12:02 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <503951.28266.qm@web110209.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Hoe long does it take to be bored sh.tless?...dunno Ted....but you wre doing
all right there then....
und therefore it follows from what you have said on the subject...that we
cannot and probably will never know (understand) the LIMIT of distance for
the reason that we do not (prob will not) know the age of the universe?..err
which universethen Ted?


 I mean....the whole damn thing.....ours?...the one we know........If that
's all there is I mean!Beam me up out of here Scotty!.....they are watching
us......
W forecast......sunny this arvo und warming up...some say tis to be 39 on
Wednesday...next
.
Is that good?...Hey and help...my tomatoes are growing TOO fast.
love jeff
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 9:54 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff.
>
> re boffins and buffoons: I think Tom Robbins might value clowns over
> scientists, but most people are gulled, trepanned or forced through peer
> group pressure to revere scientists. An interesting odd case: though he is
> by no means a scientist, author Terry Dowling (whose writing does have a
> faint tinge of Tom Robbins though both he and Tom would probably not like me
> for saying it) has received a doctorate from the English department of the
> University of Western Australia, his thesis being titled "Clowns at
> Midnight". He's now looking for a publisher (I think he has found one).
>
> When you speak of "speed" you are also referring to time because speed
> equals distance divided by time. "Transporters" a la Star Trek (or transfer
> booths a la Larry Niven) are bound by c (speed of light in a vacuum, around
> 3*10^10 cm/sec) but distances are usually short enough to call the transport
> time negligibly short. It's the longer scale where time really comes into
> its own - culminating in the notion that the observation of distant objects
> is not only looking out in distance but looking back in time, so the
> absolute limit of distance is the age of the universe.
>
> Does that help? How much time does it take to become bored s***less?
>
> --- On Sun, 13/12/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear all...... and on time travel...I guess that you sci boffins....I
> nearly
> said sci buffoons know that (theoretically) time travel IS possible...just
> as with certain particles it possible to do a 'beam me up
> scotty'....transportation here and now......
> But apparently in Einsteinian terms..... it is the SPEED that defeats us...
> und (speed of light connatations)......that defeat us......errr them.
> ...at least for the now any hows?
> Any comments Davted?
> love jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 09:34:33 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 09:34:33 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B24CC50.5080000@roots-boots.net>
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More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
for those who may care........or not.

This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid England....an ancient
Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall remants......bodie
were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
...during (a) seige.

Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the time of the
fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight but highly
readable novels Michael.
As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's
books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that the town is bulit
on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the river....named
the.....?Town sits on several hills.....river was in flood while I was
there......
Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I was there not once but
a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of Wales and also to nearby
Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral town.....mit a cattle market slap
bang in the centre of thje town....to this v day.too true

Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice? in one of te
grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact in that glory!
And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down at heel and pubby
grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre ....avec plenty of
tumbling down joints.further out....old shops ..grotty pubs and fine little
cracking churches to look at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just misses that top
glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine one as well.
Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser degree....and then
there was spray tumbling ..rock rolling river in spaight..flooding ...mostly
Welsh speaking...Snowdon heights  aware ...buzzard cliff
sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree scramblers...Euro ramblers and old
beer drinking and Oxford dodgers and the oh so many walker-lodgers and
plus und old castle chipping away falling away port walls unto the cruel
sea old Canarfon (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
love jeff
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>
>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the time
>> during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael
>> series, which I have found to be quite engaging. Having now finished the
>> first three I realise how historically accurate it is, including the
>> history
>> of Shrewsbury, and particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
>> extensive travels may have visited this town.
>>
>
> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ... since the 80's.
> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on DVD not long ago.
> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
>
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>
>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
>>>>
>>> several old
>>>
>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction
>>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>>
>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>>>
>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside his
>>>>> insides.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> not original....
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>>>>>
>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
>>>
>>>> even better!
>>>>> jeff enquires?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Dec 14 11:41:03 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 11:41:03 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
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Jeff Lynch wrote:

A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real name is (or 
was, she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She wrote some fiction 
under her own name but the bulk of her work was under several nom de 
plume's, including Ellis Peters.

She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area. She was also 
a linguist of some note, held a masters degree and died in Shrewsbury.

cheers,
David

> More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
> for those who may care........or not.
>
> This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid England....an ancient
> Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall remants......bodie
> were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
> ...during (a) seige.
>
> Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the time of the
> fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight but highly
> readable novels Michael.
> As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's
> books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that the town is bulit
> on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the river....named
> the.....?Town sits on several hills.....river was in flood while I was
> there......
> Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I was there not once but
> a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of Wales and also to nearby
> Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral town.....mit a cattle market slap
> bang in the centre of thje town....to this v day.too true
>
> Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice? in one of te
> grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact in that glory!
> And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down at heel and pubby
> grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre ....avec plenty of
> tumbling down joints.further out....old shops ..grotty pubs and fine little
> cracking churches to look at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
> The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just misses that top
> glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine one as well.
> Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser degree....and then
> there was spray tumbling ..rock rolling river in spaight..flooding ...mostly
> Welsh speaking...Snowdon heights  aware ...buzzard cliff
> sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree scramblers...Euro ramblers and old
> beer drinking and Oxford dodgers and the oh so many walker-lodgers and
> plus und old castle chipping away falling away port walls unto the cruel
> sea old Canarfon (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
> ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
> love jeff
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
>
>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>
>>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the time
>>> during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael
>>> series, which I have found to be quite engaging. Having now finished the
>>> first three I realise how historically accurate it is, including the
>>> history
>>> of Shrewsbury, and particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
>>> extensive travels may have visited this town.
>>>
>>
>> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ... since the 80's.
>> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on DVD not long ago.
>> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
>>
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
>>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>
>>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
>>>>>
>>>> several old
>>>>
>>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction
>>>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
>>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
>>>>
>>>> cheers,
>>>> David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>>>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside his
>>>>>> insides.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> not original....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>>>>>>
>>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
>>>>
>>>>> even better!
>>>>>> jeff enquires?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________
>>>>>> ___________________
>>>>>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
>>>>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> List mailing list
>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>        http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
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>>>>    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>>>             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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>>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Dec 14 19:23:04 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:23:04 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <4B25899F.5010101@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <FC49D6A0F6A24437BE398EDD2CF966E4@Michael>

Just finished downloading the fourth book in the series - St Peter's Fair.

Thanks for the historical setting Jeff. I must add that to my list of places
in England to see. Having only listened to the books I have not had a map in
front of me but in some ways that's quite refreshing, as I can contour my
own map. 

I think the closest I may have come is Telford, where I have an uncle and
aunt. The rest of the relations are in and around Birmingham.  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 11:41 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> 
> Jeff Lynch wrote:
> 
> A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real 
> name is (or was, she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She 
> wrote some fiction under her own name but the bulk of her 
> work was under several nom de plume's, including Ellis Peters.
> 
> She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area. 
> She was also a linguist of some note, held a masters degree 
> and died in Shrewsbury.
> 
> cheers,
> David
> 
> > More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
> > for those who may care........or not.
> >
> > This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid 
> England....an ancient 
> > Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall 
> > remants......bodie were cast over the walls...(Cadfael) 
> ...during (a) 
> > seige.
> >
> > Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the 
> time of the 
> > fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight 
> but highly 
> > readable novels Michael.
> > As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's 
> > books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that 
> the town is 
> > bulit on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the 
> > river....named the.....?Town sits on several hills.....river was in 
> > flood while I was there......
> > Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I was there not 
> > once but a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of 
> Wales and also 
> > to nearby Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral town.....mit a 
> > cattle market slap bang in the centre of thje town....to this v 
> > day.too true
> >
> > Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice? 
> in one of te 
> > grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact in that glory!
> > And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down at heel and 
> > pubby grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre 
> > ....avec plenty of tumbling down joints.further out....old shops 
> > ..grotty pubs and fine little cracking churches to look 
> at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
> > The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just 
> misses that 
> > top glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine one as well.
> > Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser 
> > degree....and then there was spray tumbling ..rock rolling river in 
> > spaight..flooding ...mostly Welsh speaking...Snowdon heights  aware 
> > ...buzzard cliff sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree 
> > scramblers...Euro ramblers and old beer drinking and Oxford dodgers 
> > and the oh so many walker-lodgers and plus und old castle chipping 
> > away falling away port walls unto the cruel sea old Canarfon 
> > (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain 
> ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
> > love jeff
> > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, 
> Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
> >
> >> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >>
> >>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the 
> >>> time during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's 
> >>> Brother Cadfael series, which I have found to be quite engaging. 
> >>> Having now finished the first three I realise how historically 
> >>> accurate it is, including the history of Shrewsbury, and 
> >>> particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his 
> extensive travels 
> >>> may have visited this town.
> >>>
> >>
> >> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ... 
> since the 80's.
> >> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on 
> DVD not long ago.
> >> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
> >>
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> David
> >>
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> >>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
> >>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> >>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> >>>>
> >>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
> >>>>>
> >>>> several old
> >>>>
> >>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction series, 
> >>>> Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
> >>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
> >>>>
> >>>> cheers,
> >>>> David
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list- 
> >>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> >>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde, Who ate some green 
> apples and 
> >>>>>> died.
> >>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside 
> >>>>>> his insides.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> not original....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
> >>>>
> >>>>> even better!
> >>>>>> jeff enquires?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________________________
> >>>>>> ___________________
> >>>>>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
> >>>>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
> >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>> List mailing list
> >>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
> >>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> >>>>> List mailing list
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> >>>>>
> >>>>>
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> history&   more!
> >>>>        http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> >>>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would 
> be for it
> >>>>    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and 
> to lose its
> >>>>             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> >>>>
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> >> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
> >>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
> >>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> >>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 09:14:08 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:14:08 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
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Ah so...David...v interesting....mmmm I had forgotten about Edith.
jeff

On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 11:41 AM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Jeff Lynch wrote:
>
> A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real name is (or was,
> she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She wrote some fiction under her own
> name but the bulk of her work was under several nom de plume's, including
> Ellis Peters.
>
> She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area. She was also a
> linguist of some note, held a masters degree and died in Shrewsbury.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
> More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
>> for those who may care........or not.
>>
>> This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid England....an ancient
>> Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall remants......bodie
>> were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
>> ...during (a) seige.
>>
>> Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the time of the
>> fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight but highly
>> readable novels Michael.
>> As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's
>> books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that the town is bulit
>> on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the river....named
>> the.....?Town sits on several hills.....river was in flood while I was
>> there......
>> Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I was there not once
>> but
>> a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of Wales and also to nearby
>> Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral town.....mit a cattle market slap
>> bang in the centre of thje town....to this v day.too true
>>
>> Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice? in one of te
>> grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact in that glory!
>> And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down at heel and pubby
>> grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre ....avec plenty
>> of
>> tumbling down joints.further out....old shops ..grotty pubs and fine
>> little
>> cracking churches to look at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
>> The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just misses that top
>> glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine one as well.
>> Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser degree....and
>> then
>> there was spray tumbling ..rock rolling river in spaight..flooding
>> ...mostly
>> Welsh speaking...Snowdon heights  aware ...buzzard cliff
>> sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree scramblers...Euro ramblers and old
>> beer drinking and Oxford dodgers and the oh so many walker-lodgers and
>> plus und old castle chipping away falling away port walls unto the cruel
>> sea old Canarfon (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
>> ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
>> love jeff
>> On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>>
>>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the time
>>>> during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's Brother Cadfael
>>>> series, which I have found to be quite engaging. Having now finished the
>>>> first three I realise how historically accurate it is, including the
>>>> history
>>>> of Shrewsbury, and particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
>>>> extensive travels may have visited this town.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ... since the
>>> 80's.
>>> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on DVD not long ago.
>>> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
>>>
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>> David
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
>>>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
>>>>>>
>>>>>> several old
>>>>>
>>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction
>>>>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
>>>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers,
>>>>> David
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>>>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
>>>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde,
>>>>>>> Who ate some green apples and died.
>>>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside his
>>>>>>> insides.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> not original....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> even better!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> jeff enquires?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________________________
>>>>>>> ___________________
>>>>>>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
>>>>>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>>>>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 09:34:21 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 09:34:21 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <FC49D6A0F6A24437BE398EDD2CF966E4@Michael>
References: <4B25899F.5010101@roots-boots.net>
	<FC49D6A0F6A24437BE398EDD2CF966E4@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912141434i27b8caddu7fdf9bf9785fe4f4@mail.gmail.com>

Find book....find Map......it helps in the understanding of the tales.....
Yes....a fine place to visit....mayhaps not to live.
Telford...How interesting
....on the old train line from Benella...if ya know where that is.....to
Yarrawonga is (was)....... passenger trains no longer ply there, a staion
and a town by the name of Telford....not far from Goorambat and St
James....about say.....40 k's from Yarrawonga....I HAVE heard of the British
one as well.

Named before or after the famous engineerTelford?...is a question that half
springs to mind.
Another v good series of historical novels will soon be featured by me...on
this very site....Wait for it...This author goes back(most of the time) to a
period when Cadfael was a young man.....and fighting the good bloody wars
agaist the despicable Moors in the unholy land....yep the crusades...he does
write of other British kings and times...a bit later on as well....any
guesses as to whom he might be?
jeff
On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Just finished downloading the fourth book in the series - St Peter's Fair.
>
> Thanks for the historical setting Jeff. I must add that to my list of
> places
> in England to see. Having only listened to the books I have not had a map
> in
> front of me but in some ways that's quite refreshing, as I can contour my
> own map.
>
> I think the closest I may have come is Telford, where I have an uncle and
> aunt. The rest of the relations are in and around Birmingham.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>  > Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 11:41 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> >
> > Jeff Lynch wrote:
> >
> > A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real
> > name is (or was, she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She
> > wrote some fiction under her own name but the bulk of her
> > work was under several nom de plume's, including Ellis Peters.
> >
> > She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area.
> > She was also a linguist of some note, held a masters degree
> > and died in Shrewsbury.
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
> >
> > > More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
> > > for those who may care........or not.
> > >
> > > This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid
> > England....an ancient
> > > Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall
> > > remants......bodie were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
> > ...during (a)
> > > seige.
> > >
> > > Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the
> > time of the
> > > fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight
> > but highly
> > > readable novels Michael.
> > > As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's
> > > books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that
> > the town is
> > > bulit on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the
> > > river....named the.....?Town sits on several hills.....river was in
> > > flood while I was there......
> > > Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I was there not
> > > once but a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of
> > Wales and also
> > > to nearby Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral town.....mit a
> > > cattle market slap bang in the centre of thje town....to this v
> > > day.too true
> > >
> > > Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice?
> > in one of te
> > > grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact in that glory!
> > > And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down at heel and
> > > pubby grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre
> > > ....avec plenty of tumbling down joints.further out....old shops
> > > ..grotty pubs and fine little cracking churches to look
> > at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
> > > The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just
> > misses that
> > > top glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine one as well.
> > > Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser
> > > degree....and then there was spray tumbling ..rock rolling river in
> > > spaight..flooding ...mostly Welsh speaking...Snowdon heights  aware
> > > ...buzzard cliff sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree
> > > scramblers...Euro ramblers and old beer drinking and Oxford dodgers
> > > and the oh so many walker-lodgers and plus und old castle chipping
> > > away falling away port walls unto the cruel sea old Canarfon
> > > (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
> > ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
> > > love jeff
> > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM,
> > Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass the
> > >>> time during my driving I have been listening to Ellis Peter's
> > >>> Brother Cadfael series, which I have found to be quite engaging.
> > >>> Having now finished the first three I realise how historically
> > >>> accurate it is, including the history of Shrewsbury, and
> > >>> particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
> > extensive travels
> > >>> may have visited this town.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ...
> > since the 80's.
> > >> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on
> > DVD not long ago.
> > >> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> cheers,
> > >> David
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > >>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> > >>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
> > >>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > >>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> several old
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction series,
> > >>>> Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
> > >>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> cheers,
> > >>>> David
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > >>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> > >>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > >>>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde, Who ate some green
> > apples and
> > >>>>>> died.
> > >>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider inside
> > >>>>>> his insides.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> not original....
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> even better!
> > >>>>>> jeff enquires?
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________________________
> > >>>>>> ___________________
> > >>>>>> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
> > >>>>>> http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
> > >>>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>>> List mailing list
> > >>>>>> List at tolharndor.org
> > >>>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>>> List mailing list
> > >>>>> List at tolharndor.org
> > >>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local
> > history&   more!
> > >>>>        http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> > >>>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would
> > be for it
> > >>>>    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and
> > to lose its
> > >>>>             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> > >>>>
> > >>>> _______________________________________________
> > >>>> List mailing list
> > >>>> List at tolharndor.org
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> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
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> > >>>
> > >>>
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> > history&  more!
> > >>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> > >> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
> > >>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
> > >>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> List mailing list
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> > >>
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> > >
> >
> > --
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> >       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> > The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
> >   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
> >            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue Dec 15 20:26:09 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2009 20:26:09 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912141434i27b8caddu7fdf9bf9785fe4f4@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <01850AFC3E5547C49049F2268E500BB7@Michael>

My first thought was Paul Doherty who writes the Brother Athelstan and Hugh
Corbett books. I know has written at least one Crusade-based novel as I have
it. But I suspect it's not him.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:34 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> 
> Find book....find Map......it helps in the understanding of 
> the tales.....
> Yes....a fine place to visit....mayhaps not to live.
> Telford...How interesting
> ....on the old train line from Benella...if ya know where 
> that is.....to Yarrawonga is (was)....... passenger trains no 
> longer ply there, a staion and a town by the name of 
> Telford....not far from Goorambat and St James....about 
> say.....40 k's from Yarrawonga....I HAVE heard of the British 
> one as well.
> 
> Named before or after the famous engineerTelford?...is a 
> question that half springs to mind.
> Another v good series of historical novels will soon be 
> featured by me...on this very site....Wait for it...This 
> author goes back(most of the time) to a period when Cadfael 
> was a young man.....and fighting the good bloody wars agaist 
> the despicable Moors in the unholy land....yep the 
> crusades...he does write of other British kings and times...a 
> bit later on as well....any guesses as to whom he might be?
> jeff
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Michael Kennedy 
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > Just finished downloading the fourth book in the series - 
> St Peter's Fair.
> >
> > Thanks for the historical setting Jeff. I must add that to 
> my list of 
> > places in England to see. Having only listened to the books 
> I have not 
> > had a map in front of me but in some ways that's quite 
> refreshing, as 
> > I can contour my own map.
> >
> > I think the closest I may have come is Telford, where I 
> have an uncle 
> > and aunt. The rest of the relations are in and around Birmingham.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> >  > Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 11:41 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > >
> > > Jeff Lynch wrote:
> > >
> > > A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real name is 
> > > (or was, she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She wrote some 
> > > fiction under her own name but the bulk of her work was under 
> > > several nom de plume's, including Ellis Peters.
> > >
> > > She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area.
> > > She was also a linguist of some note, held a masters 
> degree and died 
> > > in Shrewsbury.
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > David
> > >
> > > > More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
> > > > for those who may care........or not.
> > > >
> > > > This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid
> > > England....an ancient
> > > > Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall 
> > > > remants......bodie were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
> > > ...during (a)
> > > > seige.
> > > >
> > > > Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the
> > > time of the
> > > > fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight
> > > but highly
> > > > readable novels Michael.
> > > > As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's 
> > > > books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that
> > > the town is
> > > > bulit on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the 
> > > > river....named the.....?Town sits on several 
> hills.....river was 
> > > > in flood while I was there......
> > > > Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I 
> was there not 
> > > > once but a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of
> > > Wales and also
> > > > to nearby Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral 
> town.....mit a 
> > > > cattle market slap bang in the centre of thje town....to this v 
> > > > day.too true
> > > >
> > > > Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice?
> > > in one of te
> > > > grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact 
> in that glory!
> > > > And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down 
> at heel and 
> > > > pubby grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre 
> > > > ....avec plenty of tumbling down joints.further 
> out....old shops 
> > > > ..grotty pubs and fine little cracking churches to look
> > > at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
> > > > The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just
> > > misses that
> > > > top glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine 
> one as well.
> > > > Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser 
> > > > degree....and then there was spray tumbling ..rock 
> rolling river 
> > > > in spaight..flooding ...mostly Welsh speaking...Snowdon 
> heights  
> > > > aware ...buzzard cliff sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree 
> > > > scramblers...Euro ramblers and old beer drinking and Oxford 
> > > > dodgers and the oh so many walker-lodgers and plus und 
> old castle 
> > > > chipping away falling away port walls unto the cruel sea old 
> > > > Canarfon
> > > > (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
> > > ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
> > > > love jeff
> > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM,
> > > Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass 
> > > >>> the time during my driving I have been listening to Ellis 
> > > >>> Peter's Brother Cadfael series, which I have found to 
> be quite engaging.
> > > >>> Having now finished the first three I realise how 
> historically 
> > > >>> accurate it is, including the history of Shrewsbury, and 
> > > >>> particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
> > > extensive travels
> > > >>> may have visited this town.
> > > >>>
> > > >>
> > > >> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ...
> > > since the 80's.
> > > >> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on
> > > DVD not long ago.
> > > >> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> cheers,
> > > >> David
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> > > >>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
> > > >>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > >>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>> several old
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction 
> > > >>>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
> > > >>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> cheers,
> > > >>>> David
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > >>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list- 
> > > >>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> > > >>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde, Who ate some green
> > > apples and
> > > >>>>>> died.
> > > >>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider 
> > > >>>>>> inside his insides.
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> not original....
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> even better!
> > > >>>>>> jeff enquires?
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> 
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> would be for it
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> to lose its
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 09:25:40 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2009 09:25:40 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Michael?
In-Reply-To: <01850AFC3E5547C49049F2268E500BB7@Michael>
References: <ecc18000912141434i27b8caddu7fdf9bf9785fe4f4@mail.gmail.com>
	<01850AFC3E5547C49049F2268E500BB7@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912151425t378b303dy5e2d7275c0b4aa06@mail.gmail.com>

No Michael...I was thinking of one Alfred Duggan...I can nominate ten
novels......I am currently reading 'Leopards and Lillies' (first pub in
1954)

New English Library pub this book.

    Knight with Armour.
The Cunning of the Dove

The Lady for Ransom
Founding Fathers
Winter Quarters
THe Little Emperors
Elephants and Castles
Count Behemond
THree's Company

I have read most...but a long time ago...all good...as I recall.....
Jeff
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 8:26 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> My first thought was Paul Doherty who writes the Brother Athelstan and Hugh
> Corbett books. I know has written at least one Crusade-based novel as I
> have
> it. But I suspect it's not him.
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
>  > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:34 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> >
> > Find book....find Map......it helps in the understanding of
> > the tales.....
> > Yes....a fine place to visit....mayhaps not to live.
> > Telford...How interesting
> > ....on the old train line from Benella...if ya know where
> > that is.....to Yarrawonga is (was)....... passenger trains no
> > longer ply there, a staion and a town by the name of
> > Telford....not far from Goorambat and St James....about
> > say.....40 k's from Yarrawonga....I HAVE heard of the British
> > one as well.
> >
> > Named before or after the famous engineerTelford?...is a
> > question that half springs to mind.
> > Another v good series of historical novels will soon be
> > featured by me...on this very site....Wait for it...This
> > author goes back(most of the time) to a period when Cadfael
> > was a young man.....and fighting the good bloody wars agaist
> > the despicable Moors in the unholy land....yep the
> > crusades...he does write of other British kings and times...a
> > bit later on as well....any guesses as to whom he might be?
> > jeff
> > On Mon, Dec 14, 2009 at 7:23 PM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > Just finished downloading the fourth book in the series -
> > St Peter's Fair.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the historical setting Jeff. I must add that to
> > my list of
> > > places in England to see. Having only listened to the books
> > I have not
> > > had a map in front of me but in some ways that's quite
> > refreshing, as
> > > I can contour my own map.
> > >
> > > I think the closest I may have come is Telford, where I
> > have an uncle
> > > and aunt. The rest of the relations are in and around Birmingham.
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > > > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> > >  > Sent: Monday, 14 December 2009 11:41 AM
> > > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > > >
> > > > Jeff Lynch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A minor correction ... Ellis Peters is a she ... her real name is
> > > > (or was, she died in the 1990's) Edith Pargeter. She wrote some
> > > > fiction under her own name but the bulk of her work was under
> > > > several nom de plume's, including Ellis Peters.
> > > >
> > > > She was also, incidently, a native of the Shrewsbury area.
> > > > She was also a linguist of some note, held a masters
> > degree and died
> > > > in Shrewsbury.
> > > >
> > > > cheers,
> > > > David
> > > >
> > > > > More on Shrowsbury.....as spoke....
> > > > > for those who may care........or not.
> > > > >
> > > > > This is one of the kinda hidden gems of west mid
> > > > England....an ancient
> > > > > Cathedral town....as you know...there are ancient wall
> > > > > remants......bodie were cast over the walls...(Cadfael)
> > > > ...during (a)
> > > > > seige.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes it is an ancient church seat....as in (und afore) the
> > > > time of the
> > > > > fictional Cadfael...I too was once amoured of these slight
> > > > but highly
> > > > > readable novels Michael.
> > > > > As I said afore.... and as you get most easily from the Peter's
> > > > > books......(main reason cos he includes maps...) is that
> > > > the town is
> > > > > bulit on (the) high ground above a wide but tight loop in the
> > > > > river....named the.....?Town sits on several
> > hills.....river was
> > > > > in flood while I was there......
> > > > > Needs to on high ground cos of frequent flooding...I
> > was there not
> > > > > once but a few times....cos I was dashing in and out of
> > > > Wales and also
> > > > > to nearby Hereford...another v intesting Cathedral
> > town.....mit a
> > > > > cattle market slap bang in the centre of thje town....to this v
> > > > > day.too true
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep and Charlie Dickens ook a room there...once or twice?
> > > > in one of te
> > > > > grander old Victorian type Hotels...All almost intact
> > in that glory!
> > > > > And as I said afore.... It is an arty farty a bit down
> > at heel and
> > > > > pubby grubby sort of a place.....a vibrant city shopping centre
> > > > > ....avec plenty of tumbling down joints.further
> > out....old shops
> > > > > ..grotty pubs and fine little cracking churches to look
> > > > at...suits an old fart like me to the ground.
> > > > > The Cathedral is simply awe inspiring.....Hereford's just
> > > > misses that
> > > > > top glory....but mark you that cathedral is a v fine
> > one as well.
> > > > > Recommend both Shrewsbury ...and Hereford...to the lesser
> > > > > degree....and then there was spray tumbling ..rock
> > rolling river
> > > > > in spaight..flooding ...mostly Welsh speaking...Snowdon
> > heights
> > > > > aware ...buzzard cliff sweeping,Beddgelert....with it's scree
> > > > > scramblers...Euro ramblers and old beer drinking and Oxford
> > > > > dodgers and the oh so many walker-lodgers and plus und
> > old castle
> > > > > chipping away falling away port walls unto the cruel sea old
> > > > > Canarfon
> > > > > (Caenarvon) und Porthmadog und Capel Curig in the rain
> > > > ....dat's a place for you man.....and Dylan as well...but dead.
> > > > > love jeff
> > > > > On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 10:13 PM,
> > > > Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> David, that's precisely the reason I asked. Recently, to pass
> > > > >>> the time during my driving I have been listening to Ellis
> > > > >>> Peter's Brother Cadfael series, which I have found to
> > be quite engaging.
> > > > >>> Having now finished the first three I realise how
> > historically
> > > > >>> accurate it is, including the history of Shrewsbury, and
> > > > >>> particularly its abbey. I thought that Jeff in his
> > > > extensive travels
> > > > >>> may have visited this town.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Aha .. I've been a big fan of the books for many years ...
> > > > since the 80's.
> > > > >> Saw the tv series ... and even managed to pick it up on
> > > > DVD not long ago.
> > > > >> Strangely enuf, the tv series was filmed in Hungary.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> cheers,
> > > > >> David
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > > > >>>> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> > > > >>>> Sent: Sunday, 13 December 2009 9:34 AM
> > > > >>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > >>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> The head office for my work is in North Ryde and there are
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>> several old
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> ladies there, some young ones too.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Jeff, do you know Shrewsbury?
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> Never been there myself, but one of my favourite fiction
> > > > >>>> series, Brother Cadfael, was set in and around the town ...
> > > > >>>> 1000 years ago mind you.
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>> cheers,
> > > > >>>> David
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> > > > >>>>>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > > >>>>>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > > > >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, 12 December 2009 10:01 AM
> > > > >>>>>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > > >>>>>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Michael?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> When I heard it, it was an old lady from Ryde.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> --- On Sat, 12/12/09, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > > > >>>>>> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> There was a young Owen from Clyde, Who ate some green
> > > > apples and
> > > > >>>>>> died.
> > > > >>>>>> The apples fermented inside the lamented And made cider
> > > > >>>>>> inside his insides.
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> not original....
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Is Owen from Wales....From Gwynedd would be nice
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>> boyhos?...Beddgelert
> > > > >>>>
> > > > >>>>> even better!
> > > > >>>>>> jeff enquires?
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > > > >>>>>>
> > _____________________________________________________________
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> > > > >>>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would
> > > > be for it
> > > > >>>>    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and
> > > > to lose its
> > > > >>>>             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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> > > > >> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country
> > would be for it
> > > > >>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and
> > to lose its
> > > > >>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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> > > >   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 09:07:24 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:07:24 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <351BA2EA7A5842BE8E800BA9250BF7E3@Michael>
References: <94033.59831.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<351BA2EA7A5842BE8E800BA9250BF7E3@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912171407v17d5d104g6bc464b2cfc4a4e9@mail.gmail.com>

> Michael,
>
I have just finished reading 'Leopards and Lillies....all this historical
novel stuff came up (with TH I mean) by coincidence as I was reading this
old....(1954) novel...It's one of the said.....A. Duggan's books....
Hey and why should I not send it to you...a Christmas present.....with some
luck you will have time to read it...
I shall do this this day...if I remember..... what was I just about to do?
I am busy at mo...rediting my Welsh piece.( While at Beddgelert)...now @
57,000 words...( and reduced).......hard work...some pleasure and the 'mooch
of life goes on.'
Cool night here and warming up again.as the Perth test was doing in the
middle of the pitch....yesterday...is it to be draw again after not enough
wickets taken by Aussie bowlers?....?...and by default a win to the Aussies?
Und zo Pakistan on Boxing Day.......Quo Vadis?
jeff

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 09:12:35 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 09:12:35 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <351BA2EA7A5842BE8E800BA9250BF7E3@Michael>
References: <94033.59831.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<351BA2EA7A5842BE8E800BA9250BF7E3@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912171412lf59515ay9483f93be888259b@mail.gmail.com>

> Michael,
>
Just had a peek at some Alfred Duggan sites....quite a deal of info there in
a plethora (almost) of sites to see...more stories than i had bargained
on.......look!

jeff......book to follow .......do not return same please.........

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Fri Dec 18 10:26:37 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:26:37 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912171407v17d5d104g6bc464b2cfc4a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <102B7047C53844C794FA1922B53BA70D@Michael>

Jeff,

If you sent it to me I would take it with me to Tassie where I will be from
the 27th to the 3rd. I'd love to read it. It appears to be the fifth one he
wrote but I don't think they follow any particular order. An interesting
little fact was that he was born in Argentina of all places.

Yes - another draw looks likely in the cricket. Nice to see a little bit of
passion on the pitch though!

I'd also like to read the finished Welsh work eventually.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 9:07 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
> 
> > Michael,
> >
> I have just finished reading 'Leopards and Lillies....all 
> this historical novel stuff came up (with TH I mean) by 
> coincidence as I was reading this
> old....(1954) novel...It's one of the said.....A. Duggan's books....
> Hey and why should I not send it to you...a Christmas 
> present.....with some luck you will have time to read it...
> I shall do this this day...if I remember..... what was I just 
> about to do?
> I am busy at mo...rediting my Welsh piece.( While at 
> Beddgelert)...now @ 57,000 words...( and reduced).......hard 
> work...some pleasure and the 'mooch of life goes on.'
> Cool night here and warming up again.as the Perth test was 
> doing in the middle of the pitch....yesterday...is it to be 
> draw again after not enough wickets taken by Aussie 
> bowlers?....?...and by default a win to the Aussies?
> Und zo Pakistan on Boxing Day.......Quo Vadis?
> jeff
> _______________________________________________
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 09:31:12 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 09:31:12 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <102B7047C53844C794FA1922B53BA70D@Michael>
References: <ecc18000912171407v17d5d104g6bc464b2cfc4a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<102B7047C53844C794FA1922B53BA70D@Michael>
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Sure you will read the Welsh work Michael....I'm reediting the bloody thing
right now...as I said....I think....

Today ....Saturday I will post L and L.
Back to the Welsh work....Am trying to come up with a title.

It rained so much that Summer......most of Hull and many other cities and
towns on the opposite side of the coast from me....at Gwynedd flooded so
badly.......I mean Gwynedd...the name for (most of) the Snowdinia
region....,next to Gwynedd is Merionethshire.....going towards the coast and
Harlech
towns such as Porthmadoc
and Tremadoc
and Canarfon...the old spelling
and Capel Curig in the rain......

I counted something like 17 days out of 21 that it rained....and it was
bucketing...warm most of the time but with rain.....I am toying with words
like thunder, torrents, running rivers, Rain, Summer rain, flashflood, .....
Soakings, soddenly wet summers and the like.....
no answer as yet  ....the kingpin in the story is King Vortigen's
Fort......or 'Dinas'...the Welsh word for fort......their are Dinas' all
over the place....und even a Lake Dinas...which I saw (as if from the
air...perched as I was up on Vortigen's ruins....there stretched out below
...maybe some seven miles away from my hill was Lake Dinas....the work is
part diary...part history and part  what I am thinking and doing at the
time............it does try to capture what DH Lawrence called the spirit of
the place......
MOst of the 300 permaent souls in Beddgelert were Welsh speaking......I
learnt much from a young man called Geraint...a natural if I ever met
one.....

Geraint does feature large in the Beddgelrt of mine.......

Legend has it he (Vortigen)  built it (the Dinas) to escape attacking non
Britons....presumably  Norse folk.....the ruins lie only some 7 ks out of
Beddgelert.

Vortigen has building problems....a young up and coming (wizard) called
Merlin arrives.......tells him that his workmen will do not good until the
fighting dragons underneath his castle have finished their epic
fight..................so THEY say..........he (Merlin) turns out to be
correct!

But back yo A title....no word better than Yr Wyffa.
..wonderbah welsh word for Mount Snowdon.......
Under Yr Wyffa.....? ...Under Yr Wyffa at Beddgelert.
Summer Torrents under Yr Wyffa....?
jeff

> Jeff,
>
> You are in  the right I think....most of Duggan's works are SELF
CONTAINED>>>>I think!

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 09:43:10 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 09:43:10 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <102B7047C53844C794FA1922B53BA70D@Michael>
References: <ecc18000912171407v17d5d104g6bc464b2cfc4a4e9@mail.gmail.com>
	<102B7047C53844C794FA1922B53BA70D@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912191443x648e1af7v7a285b19a56e67a@mail.gmail.com>

Michael...been looking for your address (postal) cannot find it...please do
provide it...yet again...a foolish old man.
Love Jeff

On Fri, Dec 18, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> If you sent it to me I would take it with me to Tassie where I will be from
> the 27th to the 3rd. I'd love to read it. It appears to be the fifth one he
> wrote but I don't think they follow any particular order. An interesting
> little fact was that he was born in Argentina of all places.
>
> Yes - another draw looks likely in the cricket. Nice to see a little bit of
> passion on the pitch though!
>
> I'd also like to read the finished Welsh work eventually.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Friday, 18 December 2009 9:07 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
> >
>  > > Michael,
> > >
> > I have just finished reading 'Leopards and Lillies....all
> > this historical novel stuff came up (with TH I mean) by
> > coincidence as I was reading this
> > old....(1954) novel...It's one of the said.....A. Duggan's books....
> > Hey and why should I not send it to you...a Christmas
> > present.....with some luck you will have time to read it...
> > I shall do this this day...if I remember..... what was I just
> > about to do?
> > I am busy at mo...rediting my Welsh piece.( While at
> > Beddgelert)...now @ 57,000 words...( and reduced).......hard
> > work...some pleasure and the 'mooch of life goes on.'
> > Cool night here and warming up again.as the Perth test was
> > doing in the middle of the pitch....yesterday...is it to be
> > draw again after not enough wickets taken by Aussie
> > bowlers?....?...and by default a win to the Aussies?
> > Und zo Pakistan on Boxing Day.......Quo Vadis?
> > jeff
>  > _______________________________________________
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> >
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Dec 20 21:38:52 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:38:52 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912181431t6f3e1ed2qe7bcd2cb2bfdbc4d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8752702B0FCE4BF89A3A01B1FA354DC7@Michael>

Jeff,

Maybe the right title will come to you on its completion. If not here's a
few meteorological titles that may help or not. 

Treading the waters under Yr Wyffa

The floodgates open under Yr Wyffa

Walking on water under Yr Wyffa

Yr Dyffa - come dell or high water - Ha!

As right as rain under Yr Wyffa

Under the skies of Yr Wyffa 

Watering holes under Yr Wyffa

Taking the plunge

Under the waters of Yr Wffa

Waterworks

My address is:

It's 27 Hennessy Lane, Figtree, 2525

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Saturday, 19 December 2009 9:31 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Movie Character Interactions
> 
> Sure you will read the Welsh work Michael....I'm reediting 
> the bloody thing right now...as I said....I think....
> 
> Today ....Saturday I will post L and L.
> Back to the Welsh work....Am trying to come up with a title.
> 
> It rained so much that Summer......most of Hull and many 
> other cities and towns on the opposite side of the coast from 
> me....at Gwynedd flooded so badly.......I mean Gwynedd...the 
> name for (most of) the Snowdinia region....,next to Gwynedd 
> is Merionethshire.....going towards the coast and Harlech 
> towns such as Porthmadoc and Tremadoc and Canarfon...the old 
> spelling and Capel Curig in the rain......
> 
> I counted something like 17 days out of 21 that it 
> rained....and it was bucketing...warm most of the time but 
> with rain.....I am toying with words like thunder, torrents, 
> running rivers, Rain, Summer rain, flashflood, .....
> Soakings, soddenly wet summers and the like.....
> no answer as yet  ....the kingpin in the story is King 
> Vortigen's Fort......or 'Dinas'...the Welsh word for 
> fort......their are Dinas' all over the place....und even a 
> Lake Dinas...which I saw (as if from the air...perched as I 
> was up on Vortigen's ruins....there stretched out below 
> ...maybe some seven miles away from my hill was Lake 
> Dinas....the work is part diary...part history and part  what 
> I am thinking and doing at the time............it does try to 
> capture what DH Lawrence called the spirit of the place......
> MOst of the 300 permaent souls in Beddgelert were Welsh 
> speaking......I learnt much from a young man called 
> Geraint...a natural if I ever met one.....
> 
> Geraint does feature large in the Beddgelrt of mine.......
> 
> Legend has it he (Vortigen)  built it (the Dinas) to escape 
> attacking non Britons....presumably  Norse folk.....the ruins 
> lie only some 7 ks out of Beddgelert.
> 
> Vortigen has building problems....a young up and coming 
> (wizard) called Merlin arrives.......tells him that his 
> workmen will do not good until the fighting dragons 
> underneath his castle have finished their epic 
> fight..................so THEY say..........he (Merlin) turns 
> out to be correct!
> 
> But back yo A title....no word better than Yr Wyffa.
> ..wonderbah welsh word for Mount Snowdon.......
> Under Yr Wyffa.....? ...Under Yr Wyffa at Beddgelert.
> Summer Torrents under Yr Wyffa....?
> jeff
> 
> > Jeff,
> >
> > You are in  the right I think....most of Duggan's works are SELF
> CONTAINED>>>>I think!
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> List at tolharndor.org
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> 



From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue Dec 22 08:16:47 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 13:16:47 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of a Tolkien
	element
In-Reply-To: <8752702B0FCE4BF89A3A01B1FA354DC7@Michael>
Message-ID: <109268.89898.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://gapyx.com/cmt/2009/02/risden.jpg





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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Tue Dec 22 09:16:41 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:16:41 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of a Tolkien
 element
In-Reply-To: <109268.89898.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <109268.89898.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4B2FF3C9.1060900@roots-boots.net>

Beowulf would be rolling in his grave!

cheers,
David

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> http://gapyx.com/cmt/2009/02/risden.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue Dec 22 09:21:41 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2009 09:21:41 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of a
	Tolkienelement
In-Reply-To: <109268.89898.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5AE444EF8E334BB6AF4C76CFDA35C03E@Michael>

It is especially amusing when you consider that Beowulf's end came about
after seeking the dragon's wealth! 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Tuesday, 22 December 2009 8:17 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit 
> of a Tolkienelement
> 
> http://gapyx.com/cmt/2009/02/risden.jpg
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 08:59:51 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 08:59:51 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of a
	Tolkienelement
In-Reply-To: <5AE444EF8E334BB6AF4C76CFDA35C03E@Michael>
References: <109268.89898.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<5AE444EF8E334BB6AF4C76CFDA35C03E@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912221359g6179bf73p9cc4bcdfb3cd9691@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> It is especially amusing when you consider that Beowulf's end came about
> after seeking the dragon's wealth!
>

Yeah....I am in Yarrawonga and rich as Beowulf....without the result(I
hope)...picking up my mum...staying here overnight and back down to West
Brunswick in the morn...
My older daughter Dr Karen, Michele,Lynch has been promoted inside the
Secondary system and is now a 'leading teacher'
She's happy about that as I am for her. she's ambtious I'd say...bloody
principal soon?
My younger daughter Jackie (who also works in the Secondary
system)...brought along Emily (my grandaughter) for a rolliking breakfast
yesterday (in North Melbourne).

My mum stays at my place while (in between) she meets some of the family.
She wants me to cook her a rabbit....zoooo...I do HAVE A RABBIT!
I am holding a competition for the best rabbit receipe...or receit...
Yep that is a good one Ted....from the LOTR....beauty.
A whole chapter name too if I recall correctly....Come on.....Your rabbit
receipe...please!
Merry Christamas......from the South of the South...only Michael will be
more south than I....(soon?)
jeff

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Thu Dec 24 16:43:12 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 16:43:12 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of
	aTolkienelement
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912221359g6179bf73p9cc4bcdfb3cd9691@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>

Jeff,

Alfred Duggan arrived today! Splendid! Thank you very much. 

I hope you all have a relaxing and happy time over Christmas and the end of
2009. Besides driving and flying between families I plan to do very little
except read, chat, eat, drink and sleep...more or less.

Michael 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 9:00 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit
> of aTolkienelement
> 
> On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > It is especially amusing when you consider that Beowulf's end
> came about
> > after seeking the dragon's wealth!
> >
> 
> Yeah....I am in Yarrawonga and rich as Beowulf....without the
> result(I
> hope)...picking up my mum...staying here overnight and back
> down to West
> Brunswick in the morn...
> My older daughter Dr Karen, Michele,Lynch has been promoted
> inside the
> Secondary system and is now a 'leading teacher'
> She's happy about that as I am for her. she's ambtious I'd
> say...bloody
> principal soon?
> My younger daughter Jackie (who also works in the Secondary
> system)...brought along Emily (my grandaughter) for a rolliking
> breakfast
> yesterday (in North Melbourne).
> 
> My mum stays at my place while (in between) she meets some of
> the family.
> She wants me to cook her a rabbit....zoooo...I do HAVE A RABBIT!
> I am holding a competition for the best rabbit receipe...or
> receit...
> Yep that is a good one Ted....from the LOTR....beauty.
> A whole chapter name too if I recall correctly....Come
> on.....Your rabbit
> receipe...please!
> Merry Christamas......from the South of the South...only
> Michael will be
> more south than I....(soon?)
> jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Dec 24 16:49:58 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 21:49:58 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of aTolkien
	element
In-Reply-To: <4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>
Message-ID: <745971.19140.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not necessarily in that order?

To all subbers to this mail list - here's wishing you a happy, healthy and safe Christmas and New Year.

--- On Thu, 24/12/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

Alfred Duggan arrived today! Splendid! Thank you very much. 

I hope you all have a relaxing and happy time over Christmas and the end of
2009. Besides driving and flying between families I plan to do very little
except read, chat, eat, drink and sleep...more or less.

Michael 





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 09:51:33 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 09:51:33 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of
	aTolkienelement
In-Reply-To: <4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>
References: <ecc18000912221359g6179bf73p9cc4bcdfb3cd9691@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912271451j5f941f0aj74cbd7a9e7643725@mail.gmail.com>

I'm happy that it got to you before you moved...well done the PO.

I had a fine Christmas (his MUm) as well...this is v good...(for) Dr Karen
and I have some fence mending to do......the way of All Flesh perhaps..or MY
flesh!.....Dr Karen...my oldest, is 40!

By the way....a recommendation.....( for classic reading) The Way of All
Flesh....by Samuel Butler IS a fine read.
love jeff.

On Thu, Dec 24, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Jeff,
>
> Alfred Duggan arrived today! Splendid! Thank you very much.
>
> I hope you all have a relaxing and happy time over Christmas and the end of
> 2009. Besides driving and flying between families I plan to do very little
> except read, chat, eat, drink and sleep...more or less.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 9:00 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit
> > of aTolkienelement
> >
>  > On Tue, Dec 22, 2009 at 9:21 AM, Michael Kennedy
> > <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> > > It is especially amusing when you consider that Beowulf's end
> > came about
> > > after seeking the dragon's wealth!
> > >
> >
> > Yeah....I am in Yarrawonga and rich as Beowulf....without the
> > result(I
> > hope)...picking up my mum...staying here overnight and back
> > down to West
> > Brunswick in the morn...
> > My older daughter Dr Karen, Michele,Lynch has been promoted
> > inside the
> > Secondary system and is now a 'leading teacher'
> > She's happy about that as I am for her. she's ambtious I'd
> > say...bloody
> > principal soon?
> > My younger daughter Jackie (who also works in the Secondary
> > system)...brought along Emily (my grandaughter) for a rolliking
> > breakfast
> > yesterday (in North Melbourne).
> >
> > My mum stays at my place while (in between) she meets some of
> > the family.
> > She wants me to cook her a rabbit....zoooo...I do HAVE A RABBIT!
> > I am holding a competition for the best rabbit receipe...or
> > receit...
> > Yep that is a good one Ted....from the LOTR....beauty.
> > A whole chapter name too if I recall correctly....Come
> > on.....Your rabbit
> > receipe...please!
> > Merry Christamas......from the South of the South...only
> > Michael will be
> > more south than I....(soon?)
> > jeff
>  > _______________________________________________
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> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 09:34:05 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2009 09:34:05 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] A possibly amusing picture with a bit of
	aTolkienelement
In-Reply-To: <4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>
References: <ecc18000912221359g6179bf73p9cc4bcdfb3cd9691@mail.gmail.com>
	<4A1320D68B2942218ADDC52773A60C38@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912281434i11c07045mbc6a7b2ab995adc7@mail.gmail.com>

At last.....
I have managed (at last)  to work Tol Harndor into a major work.
In the Welsh piece that I am just dollying up to show Christina...my
editor.....I make a reference to it (TH)
It is a legitimate ref for I'm walking up along a wet set of tracks...just
outside the village of  Beddgelert...
.......I think I am getting wet as a Hobbit on (their) own trails....err
trials........................
I am trying to find (the fort) of Dinas Emrys in the most beautiful Vale
called Nant Gwynnen........Where an ancient King....err perhaps 5th
century... ( a King Vortigen) and one very young lad called Myrddinn (or
Merlin to you!) clashed............Merlin saves his Castle.....(and his own
life by doing so).

Merlin also takes possion of this castle later on..........Vortigen nicks
off!

........so read on soon.....when I have completed the whole MS.
now entitled...(for a while)...

'That Summer in Beddgelert.'

Aussie's by 170 runs!
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Dec 30 20:49:05 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 01:49:05 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor]  Sauron should have opened Mount Doom to tourists
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912281434i11c07045mbc6a7b2ab995adc7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <287074.3613.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>



Thousands of tourists are flocking to the Philippines' Mayon volcano with many even risking their lives to get close to the spectacular flowing lava, authorities say.

Governor Joey Salceda, whose province of Albay includes Mayon, said 2,400 tourists a day had been pouring into the area since the famously active volcano started oozing lava on December 14, compared with about 200 a day before.

"All the hotels are fully booked, even the cheapest ones," Salceda said on Wednesday.

He said that tourists typically only stayed overnight to view the crimson lava oozing from the volcano's crater in the dark.

"It is like a slow moving meteor show. You really feel awe when you see it."

However Salceda said many tourists were also slipping by security patrols to enter the 8km danger zone around Mayon to get a close-up experience of the slow-moving lava column.

"There are enough thrill-seekers and, when you combine them with some enterprising local guides, they find their way in," he said.

The military heightened security around Mayon, about 330km southeast of Manila, on Monday after two foreign tourists were seen over the weekend riding all-terrain vehicles towards the volcano.

Salceda warned that although the lava was slow-moving, there was still a danger from volcanic ash that could mix with rainwater to form a lethal, fast-moving mudflow.

Such a confluence has claimed hundreds of lives in the past, most recently in 2006.

"It's a big problem. I think the first violation of the zero casualty (record) will be a dead tourist," said Salceda.

"At the moment of the eruption, the local guides will have better chance of getting out. The hapless tourist will be left behind."

Nearly 50,000 villagers living in Mayon's foothills have already been evacuated to areas outside the so-called "danger zone" this month, with troops posted at checkpoints to keep people from entering.

Government volcanologist July Sabit, part of the team monitoring Mayon, said on Wednesday that the volcano appeared to be experiencing a lull and was not having ash explosions as in previous days.

"(But) the volcano is still restive. The lava flow still continues," he warned.

"It is still at alert level four," he said, meaning a major eruption could occur at any time.

The 2,460-metre volcano, which is famed for its near-perfect cone, has erupted 48 times in recorded history. In 1814, more than 1,200 people were killed as lava buried the town of Cagsawa.


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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 09:36:26 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2009 09:36:26 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sauron should have opened Mount Doom to tourists
In-Reply-To: <287074.3613.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ecc18000912281434i11c07045mbc6a7b2ab995adc7@mail.gmail.com>
	<287074.3613.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000912301436j19e52224hf2c577bc1b1a697b@mail.gmail.com>

As Sam Goldwyn said Ted....'Include me out!'
jeff

On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

>
>
> Thousands of tourists are flocking to the Philippines' Mayon volcano with
> many even risking their lives to get close to the spectacular flowing lava,
> authorities say.
>
> Governor Joey Salceda, whose province of Albay includes Mayon, said 2,400
> tourists a day had been pouring into the area since the famously active
> volcano started oozing lava on December 14, compared with about 200 a day
> before.
>
> "All the hotels are fully booked, even the cheapest ones," Salceda said on
> Wednesday.
>
> He said that tourists typically only stayed overnight to view the crimson
> lava oozing from the volcano's crater in the dark.
>
> "It is like a slow moving meteor show. You really feel awe when you see
> it."
>
> However Salceda said many tourists were also slipping by security patrols
> to enter the 8km danger zone around Mayon to get a close-up experience of
> the slow-moving lava column.
>
> "There are enough thrill-seekers and, when you combine them with some
> enterprising local guides, they find their way in," he said.
>
> The military heightened security around Mayon, about 330km southeast of
> Manila, on Monday after two foreign tourists were seen over the weekend
> riding all-terrain vehicles towards the volcano.
>
> Salceda warned that although the lava was slow-moving, there was still a
> danger from volcanic ash that could mix with rainwater to form a lethal,
> fast-moving mudflow.
>
> Such a confluence has claimed hundreds of lives in the past, most recently
> in 2006.
>
> "It's a big problem. I think the first violation of the zero casualty
> (record) will be a dead tourist," said Salceda.
>
> "At the moment of the eruption, the local guides will have better chance of
> getting out. The hapless tourist will be left behind."
>
> Nearly 50,000 villagers living in Mayon's foothills have already been
> evacuated to areas outside the so-called "danger zone" this month, with
> troops posted at checkpoints to keep people from entering.
>
> Government volcanologist July Sabit, part of the team monitoring Mayon,
> said on Wednesday that the volcano appeared to be experiencing a lull and
> was not having ash explosions as in previous days.
>
> "(But) the volcano is still restive. The lava flow still continues," he
> warned.
>
> "It is still at alert level four," he said, meaning a major eruption could
> occur at any time.
>
> The 2,460-metre volcano, which is famed for its near-perfect cone, has
> erupted 48 times in recorded history. In 1814, more than 1,200 people were
> killed as lava buried the town of Cagsawa.
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Dec 31 09:46:38 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 14:46:38 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sauron should have opened Mount Doom to tourists
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000912301436j19e52224hf2c577bc1b1a697b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <584042.66069.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Not into extreme volcano climbing, Jeff? :)

What figure of speech would you call "include me out"? Strikes me as rather an oxymoron.

--- On Thu, 31/12/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

As Sam Goldwyn said Ted....'Include me out!'
jeff





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