From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May  1 07:31:00 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:31:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <65162.98194.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I thought this was of interest here.

Herendil

--- On Thu, 30/4/09, Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk> wrote:

From: Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
Subject: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
To: "larryniven-l" <larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org>
Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 11:25 PM

There are a couple of Lord of the Rings Fan films on the way:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
http://www.bornofhope.com/Welcome.html

The production values look pretty good. We'll have to wait and see what
scripts & acting are like.

Meanwhile some news The Hobbit:

Apparently they've gone back to telling the story of the book over two
films, with plot 'expanded' to cover more back-story etc:
http://www.deltorofilms.com/Details.php?announcementid=706


Alex Aplin




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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May  1 07:32:21 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:32:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <672193.19185.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... and this.

--- On Thu, 30/4/09, Euan Ritchie <euan at ionwerks.co.nz> wrote:

> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
> http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/

That Hunt for Gollum looks really well done.





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May  1 09:31:14 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 1 May 2009 09:31:14 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sing along with Tolkien
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Any old hows ....whether I deal with infidels angels or devils I have not
got 'Second Contact'....which (obviously) is not like the Second
Coming'......
neither Rev. Vicus or a minion....my expression has contacted...but I
expressly told him that there was no hurry....for obvious reasons..........
So we drift into another footy weekend...........my team North plays
Collingwood tonight...........the Magpies are obvious favourites...but they
said that hobbits would never get out alive!
And, on religuious (type) subject(s) before I leave......Mr Pratt.not his
(real) Polish name.he came from Gadansk I think.....buried today among a
deal of publicity at the age of 74....
A real Jewish funeral with a wooden(pine) like coffin....
No thunderbolts but his mistresse's daughter.........OT the mistress
attended.....
He's been lionized down here....( well he did live in Raheen)...the former
home of The (Roman Cathlic) home of the docese of Melbourne......The
archbishop's Palace!!!!!!!
So passeth Australia's 4th richest man......an interesting bloke...I never
met him!
I hope the Gods and the devils look after him equally....
I know that his recycling programs will still go on........even as his box
and him rots in the ground!
love jeff.
PS... Richard Pratt appeared in the West End cast of 'The Summer of The
Seventeenth Doll.'

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri May  1 17:17:12 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 01 May 2009 17:17:12 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Edwin Scribner wrote:
> I thought this was of interest here.

Hmmm..... I'd be more interested in how close to JRRT's vision the 
various movies come than how slick the promo's may be .. after all, 
anyone who's seen a promo and then the movie can attest the promo bears 
little similarity to the later. :(

cheers,
David (call me Sceptic)

> 
> Herendil
> 
> --- On Thu, 30/4/09, Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
> 
> From: Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
> Subject: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> To: "larryniven-l" <larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org>
> Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 11:25 PM
> 
> There are a couple of Lord of the Rings Fan films on the way:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
> http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
> http://www.bornofhope.com/Welcome.html
> 
> The production values look pretty good. We'll have to wait and see what
> scripts & acting are like.
> 
> Meanwhile some news The Hobbit:
> 
> Apparently they've gone back to telling the story of the book over two
> films, with plot 'expanded' to cover more back-story etc:
> http://www.deltorofilms.com/Details.php?announcementid=706
> 
> 
> Alex Aplin
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May  3 09:36:43 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 09:36:43 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Hey David.....did ya get Der Humboldt?
Jeff

On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Edwin Scribner wrote:
> > I thought this was of interest here.
>
> Hmmm..... I'd be more interested in how close to JRRT's vision the
> various movies come than how slick the promo's may be .. after all,
> anyone who's seen a promo and then the movie can attest the promo bears
> little similarity to the later. :(
>
> cheers,
> David (call me Sceptic)
>
> >
> > Herendil
> >
> > --- On Thu, 30/4/09, Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
> >
> > From: Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
> > Subject: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> > To: "larryniven-l" <larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org>
> > Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 11:25 PM
> >
> > There are a couple of Lord of the Rings Fan films on the way:
> > http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
> > http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
> > http://www.bornofhope.com/Welcome.html
> >
> > The production values look pretty good. We'll have to wait and see what
> > scripts & acting are like.
> >
> > Meanwhile some news The Hobbit:
> >
> > Apparently they've gone back to telling the story of the book over two
> > films, with plot 'expanded' to cover more back-story etc:
> > http://www.deltorofilms.com/Details.php?announcementid=706
> >
> >
> > Alex Aplin
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >       Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer
> 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.
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>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun May  3 11:56:26 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 03 May 2009 11:56:26 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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G'day Jeff,

> Hey David.....did ya get Der Humboldt?
> Jeff

Errr ... no. Nothing arrived here. Send it to <roots-boots at hotmail.com>. 
You might be having Ted's problem ... gmail doesn't always like the 
tolharndor list address and my home email (not the hotmail one) uses the 
same setup.

cheers,
David




> On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> 
>> Edwin Scribner wrote:
>>> I thought this was of interest here.
>> Hmmm..... I'd be more interested in how close to JRRT's vision the
>> various movies come than how slick the promo's may be .. after all,
>> anyone who's seen a promo and then the movie can attest the promo bears
>> little similarity to the later. :(
>>
>> cheers,
>> David (call me Sceptic)
>>
>>> Herendil
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 30/4/09, Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
>>> Subject: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
>>> To: "larryniven-l" <larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org>
>>> Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 11:25 PM
>>>
>>> There are a couple of Lord of the Rings Fan films on the way:
>>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
>>> http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
>>> http://www.bornofhope.com/Welcome.html
>>>
>>> The production values look pretty good. We'll have to wait and see what
>>> scripts & acting are like.
>>>
>>> Meanwhile some news The Hobbit:
>>>
>>> Apparently they've gone back to telling the story of the book over two
>>> films, with plot 'expanded' to cover more back-story etc:
>>> http://www.deltorofilms.com/Details.php?announcementid=706
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Aplin
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet Explorer
>> 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List mailing list
>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>
>> --
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>>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>>
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>> List at tolharndor.org
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May  4 09:07:44 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 09:07:44 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Ok ...I copy
Jeff

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 11:56 AM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> G'day Jeff,
>
> > Hey David.....did ya get Der Humboldt?
> > Jeff
>
> Errr ... no. Nothing arrived here. Send it to <roots-boots at hotmail.com>.
> You might be having Ted's problem ... gmail doesn't always like the
> tolharndor list address and my home email (not the hotmail one) uses the
> same setup.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
>
>
> > On Fri, May 1, 2009 at 5:17 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Edwin Scribner wrote:
> >>> I thought this was of interest here.
> >> Hmmm..... I'd be more interested in how close to JRRT's vision the
> >> various movies come than how slick the promo's may be .. after all,
> >> anyone who's seen a promo and then the movie can attest the promo bears
> >> little similarity to the later. :(
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> David (call me Sceptic)
> >>
> >>> Herendil
> >>>
> >>> --- On Thu, 30/4/09, Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> From: Aplin Alexander T <ATAPLIN at mail.dstl.gov.uk>
> >>> Subject: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> >>> To: "larryniven-l" <larryniven-l at larryniven-l.org>
> >>> Received: Thursday, 30 April, 2009, 11:25 PM
> >>>
> >>> There are a couple of Lord of the Rings Fan films on the way:
> >>> http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/8022623.stm
> >>> http://www.thehuntforgollum.com/
> >>> http://www.bornofhope.com/Welcome.html
> >>>
> >>> The production values look pretty good. We'll have to wait and see what
> >>> scripts & acting are like.
> >>>
> >>> Meanwhile some news The Hobbit:
> >>>
> >>> Apparently they've gone back to telling the story of the book over two
> >>> films, with plot 'expanded' to cover more back-story etc:
> >>> http://www.deltorofilms.com/Details.php?announcementid=706
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Alex Aplin
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       Enjoy a safer web experience. Upgrade to the new Internet
> Explorer
> >> 8 optimised for Yahoo!7. Get it now.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> List mailing list
> >>> List at tolharndor.org
> >>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >>>
> >> --
> >> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
> >>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> >> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
> >>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
> >>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> List mailing list
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> >>
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> >
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon May  4 13:09:13 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 13:09:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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Have any of you come across this new release by Tolkien?

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Sigurd-Gudrun-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0547273428/ref=s
r_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241405719&sr=1-3

I think the release day is actually tomorrow so probably not. I've posted
Christopher's foreword which I found at theonering site. 

Christopher Tolkien?s Foreword to ?Sigurd and Gudr?n?!

In his essay On Fairy-Stories (1947) my father wrote of books that he read
in his childhood, and in the course of this he said:

I had very little desire to look for buried treasure or fight pirates, and
Treasure Island left me cool. Red Indians were better: there were bows and
arrows (I had and have a wholly unsatisfied desire to shoot well with a
bow), and strange languages, and glimpses of an archaic mode of life, and
above all, forests in such stories. But the land of Merlin and Arthur were
better than these, and best of all the nameless North of Sigurd and the
V?lsungs, and the prince of all dragons. Such lands were pre-eminently
desirable.

That the ancient poetry in the Old Norse language known by the names of the
Elder Edda or the Poetic Edda remained a deep if submerged force in his
later life?s work is no doubt recognized. It is at any rate well-known that
he derived the names of the dwarves in The Hobbit from the first of the
poems in the Edda, the V?lusp?, ?the Prophecy of the Sibyl? ? remarking in a
lightly sardonic but not uncharacteristic tone to a friend in December 1937:

I don?t much approve of The Hobbit myself, preferring my own mythology
(which is just touched on) with its consistent nomenclature . . . to this
rabble of Eddaic-named dwarves out of V?lusp?, newfangled hobbits and
gollums (invented in an idle hour) and Anglo-Saxon runes.

But it is certainly not well-known, indeed scarcely known at all (though it
can be discovered from existing publications), that he wrote two closely
associated poems treating of the V?lsung and Niflung (or Nibelung) legend,
using modern English fitted to the Old Norse metre, amounting to more than
five hundred stanzas: poems that have never been published until now, nor
has any line been quoted from them. These poems bear the titles
V?lsungakvi?a en n?ja, the New Lay of the V?lsungs, and Gu?r?narkvi?a en
n?ja, the New Lay of Gudr?n.

My father?s erudition was by no means confined to ?Anglo-Saxon?, but
extended to an expert knowledge of the poems of the Elder Edda and the Old
Norse language (a term that in general use is largely equivalent to Old
Icelandic, since by far the greater part of Norse literature that survives
is written in Icelandic). In fact, for many years after he became the
professor of Anglo-Saxon at Oxford in 1925 he was the professor of Old
Norse, though no such title existed; he gave lectures and classes on Norse
language and literature in every year from 1926 until at least 1939. But
despite his accomplishment in this field, which was recognized in Iceland,
he never wrote anything specifically on a Norse subject for publication ?
except perhaps the ?New Lays?, and for this, so far as I know, there is no
evidence one way or the other, unless the existence of an amanuensis
typescript, of unknown date and without other interest, suggests it. But
there survive many pages of notes and draftings for his lectures, although
these were for the most part written very rapidly and often on the brink of
illegibility or beyond.

The ?New Lays? arose from those studies and belong to that time. My
inclination is to date them later rather than earlier in his years at Oxford
before the Second War, perhaps to the earlier 1930s; but this is scarcely
more than an unarguable intuition. The two poems, which I believe to have
been closely related in time of composition, constitute a very substantial
work, and it seems possible, as a mere guess, since there is no evidence
whatsoever to confirm it, that my father turned to the Norse poems as a new
poetic enterprise after he abandoned the Lay of Leithian (the legend of
Beren and L?thien) near the end of 1931 (The Lays of Beleriand, p.304).

These poems stand in a complex relation to their ancient sources; they are
in no sense translations. Those sources themselves, various in their nature,
present obscurities, contradictions, and enigmas: and the existence of these
problems underlay my father?s avowed purpose in writing the ?New Lays?.

He scarcely ever (to my knowledge) referred to them. For my part, I cannot
recollect any conversation with him on the subject until very near the end
of his life, when he spoke of them to me, and tried unsuccessfully to find
them. But he briefly mentioned the work in two letters to W.H. Auden. In
that of 29 March 1967 (The Letters of J.R.R. Tolkien, edited by Humphrey
Carpenter, no.295), thanking Auden for sending his translation of the
V?lusp?, he said that he hoped to send him in return ?if I can lay my hands
on it (I hope it isn?t lost), a thing I did many years ago when trying to
learn the art of writing alliterative poetry: an attempt to unify the lays
about the V?lsungs from the Elder Edda, written in the old eight-line
fornyr?islag stanza? (that being the name given to the Norse alliterative
stanzaic metre used in the greater number of the ?Eddaic? poems, the ?Old
Lore Metre?). And in the following year, on 29 January 1968, he wrote: ?I
believe I have lying about somewhere a long unpublished poem called
V?lsungakvi?a en n?ja written in fornyr?islag 8-line stanzas in English: an
attempt to organize the Edda material dealing with Sigurd and Gunnar.?

To ?unify?, to ?organize?, the material of the lays of the Elder Edda: that
was how he put it some forty years later. To speak only of V?lsungakvi?a en
n?ja, his poem, as narrative, is essentially an ordering and clarification,
a bringing out of comprehensible design or structure. But always to be borne
in mind are these words of his: ?The people who wrote each of these poems
[of the Edda] ? not the collectors who copied and excerpted them later ?
wrote them as distinct individual things to be heard isolated with only the
general knowledge of the story in mind.?

It may be said, as it seems to me, that he presented his interpretation of
the sources in a mode that can be received independently of the doubts and
debates of ?Eddaic? and ?Nibelung? scholarship. The ?New Lays? themselves,
elaborate poems closely modelled in manner as in metre on the ?Eddaic? lays,
are therefore paramount; and they are presented here in plain texts without
any editorial interference; all else in the book is ancillary.

That there should be, nonetheless, so much else in the book requires some
explanation. It may be felt that some account should be given of the actual
nature of my father?s distinctive treatment of the legend. To provide a
comprehensive account of the much discussed problems that he sought to
resolve would lead all too easily to the first appearance of the ?New Lays?
after some eighty years with a great weight of scholarly discussion hung
about their necks. This is not to be thought of. But it seems to me that the
publication of his poems provides an opportunity to hear the author himself,
through the medium of the notes with which he prepared for his lectures,
speaking (as it were) in characteristic tones on those very elements of
doubt and difficulty that are found in the old narratives.

It must also be said that his poems are not at all points easy to follow,
and this arises especially from the nature of the old poems that were his
models. In one of his lectures he said: ?In Old English breadth, fullness,
reflection, elegiac effect, were aimed at. Old Norse poetry aims at seizing
a situation, striking a blow that will be remembered, illuminating a moment
with a flash of lightning ? and tends to concision, weighty packing of the
language in sense and form . . .? That ?seizing a situation?, ?illuminating
a moment?, without clear unfolding of narrative sequence or other matters
with a bearing on the ?moment?, will be found to be a marked characteristic
of the ?New Lays?; and here some guidance may be looked for in addition to
the brief prose statements that he added to some of the sections of the
V?lsungakvi?a en n?ja.

After much deliberation I have therefore provided, at the end of each poem,
a commentary, which is intended to clarify references, and passages that may
seem obscure; and also to point out significant departures made by my father
from the Old Norse sources or between variant narratives, in such cases
indicating his views, where possible, by reference to what he said in his
lectures. It must be emphasized that nothing in those notes suggests that he
had written, or had it in mind to write, poems on the subject himself; on
the other hand, as one might expect, congruence between the views expressed
in his lecture notes and the treatment of the Norse sources in his poems can
often be observed.

As a general introduction in this book to the Elder Edda I have cited at
length a more finished lecture with that title; and following this I have
contributed brief statements on the text of the poems, the verse-form, and
some other topics. At the end of the book I have given a brief account of
the origins of the legend and cited some other related verses of my
father?s.

In thus making much use of my father?s notes and draft discussions on ?the
Matter of Old Norse?, and the tragedy of the V?lsungs and the Niflungs,
hastily set down and unfinished as they are, I have chosen to try to make
this book, as a whole, as much his work as I could achieve. Of its nature it
is not to be judged by views prevailing in contemporary scholarship. It is
intended rather as a presentation and record of his perceptions, in his own
day, of a literature that he greatly admired.

CHRISTOPHER TOLKIEN




From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon May  4 16:08:07 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 3 May 2009 23:08:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <190076.18425.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Thanks, Michael. I had forgotten about it. It's now on this month's SF Bullsheet.

I'll be looking for it in the bookshops and I might as well worry Gleebooks of Blackheath about it.

Cheers

Herendil

--- On Mon, 4/5/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
Have any of you come across this new release by Tolkien?

http://www.amazon.com/Legend-Sigurd-Gudrun-J-R-R-Tolkien/dp/0547273428/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1241405719&sr=1-3

I think the release day is actually tomorrow so probably not. I've posted
Christopher's foreword which I found at theonering site. 




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May  5 09:26:53 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 09:26:53 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <46AA353BBB004C39AB02BA06F6F80E1A@Michael>
References: <20090430093724.la7ehowg0w8c0kcc@roots-boots.net>
	<46AA353BBB004C39AB02BA06F6F80E1A@Michael>
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>
> Hi Mike,

Re the Chris T thing....I am interested in this stuff.printed out your mail
on it .....to read later..get back on the subject soon...No Second Contact
jeff

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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed May  6 09:17:03 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 09:17:03 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <672193.19185.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <672193.19185.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905051617k2608baaav9274e86162b41fbe@mail.gmail.com>

>
>
> The Weather Report,

Mebourne into a steady near winter mode now.....football, football and for
sport there is football........Monday night....there is footy (a first)
I off to Carlton soon.....SHE needs Footy tickets(Bloody Calton!)...they
reckon they are sumpi'n this winter......wait til' spring I says!!!!!
that is Melb's weather this day.
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed May  6 10:11:00 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:11:00 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <31690.93023.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... and on Friday nights there is Science Fiction in Brunswick.

... and in August (14-15) there is Science Fiction in the City (Swanston St).
?
... and I just might be there.

--- On Wed, 6/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


> The Weather Report,

Mebourne into a steady near winter mode now.....football, football and for
sport there is football........Monday night....there is footy (a first)
I off to Carlton soon.....SHE needs Footy tickets(Bloody Calton!)...they
reckon they are sumpi'n this winter......wait til' spring I says!!!!!
that is Melb's weather this day.
jeff



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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed May  6 11:16:03 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Wed, 06 May 2009 11:16:03 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905051617k2608baaav9274e86162b41fbe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <672193.19185.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<ecc18000905051617k2608baaav9274e86162b41fbe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090506111603.tna4hpvytckc4kos@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> Mebourne into a steady near winter mode now.....football, football and for
> sport there is football........Monday night....there is footy (a first)
> I off to Carlton soon.....SHE needs Footy tickets(Bloody Calton!)...they
> reckon they are sumpi'n this winter......wait til' spring I says!!!!!
> that is Melb's weather this day.

Hmmmm.... translation ... Melbourne=Football???

Glad I don't live there then ... for me watching a football game is on  
par with all the stuff that the Americans don't do to the prisoners  
they don't have .. which'd prolly bring tears of joy to the eyes of  
any Orc.

cheers,
David
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed May  6 13:16:23 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 20:16:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

... and football means Aussie Rules unless otherwise stated.
?
You don't mean the Orthorn Orcs, do you? :)

Then there was the woman who lived in San Francisco and who won a "DUFF" (Down Under Fan Fund) prize which gave her a trip to Australia in 1999 to attend the Worldcon in Melbourne. The locals took her to a footy match. Several years thereafter she moved to Melbourne. Go figure!
?
Oh btw David, the locals had to explain to her?that, among other American expressions, the word "root" in Australia had a meaning rather different from that in America where they "... root root root for the home team" (that song probably referred to baseball but it could have just as easily referred to their strange way of playing football). 

--- On Wed, 6/5/09, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Hmmmm.... translation ... Melbourne=Football???

Glad I don't live there then ... for me watching a football game is on? 
par with all the stuff that the Americans don't do to the prisoners? 
they don't have .. which'd prolly bring tears of joy to the eyes of? 
any Orc.



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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu May  7 08:53:29 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:53:29 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905061553n47ba0edcie6760b0e25bb77c4@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah (about the Yank woman who was moved by Auusie rules...she probably got
hooked on the lad's bums with their short shorts and all!
Jeff
Sex.....why it's not everything is it?

On Wed, May 6, 2009 at 1:16 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> ... and football means Aussie Rules unless otherwise stated.
>
> You don't mean the Orthorn Orcs, do you? :)
>
> Then there was the woman who lived in San Francisco and who won a "DUFF"
> (Down Under Fan Fund) prize which gave her a trip to Australia in 1999 to
> attend the Worldcon in Melbourne. The locals took her to a footy match.
> Several years thereafter she moved to Melbourne. Go figure!
>
> Oh btw David, the locals had to explain to her that, among other American
> expressions, the word "root" in Australia had a meaning rather different
> from that in America where they "... root root root for the home team" (that
> song probably referred to baseball but it could have just as easily referred
> to their strange way of playing football).
>
> --- On Wed, 6/5/09, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
>
> Hmmmm.... translation ... Melbourne=Football???
>
> Glad I don't live there then ... for me watching a football game is on
> par with all the stuff that the Americans don't do to the prisoners
> they don't have .. which'd prolly bring tears of joy to the eyes of
> any Orc.
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu May  7 08:57:24 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 6 May 2009 15:57:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <468764.26073.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I'll introduce her to you if I get the chance. She probably lives not far from you.

"Sex isn't everything but it's way ahead of whatever is in second place"

I'm not sure who said that. Sex can be replaced by money or beer.

--- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah (about the Yank woman who was moved by Auusie rules...she probably got
hooked on the lad's bums with their short shorts and all!
Jeff
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu May  7 08:58:29 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 08:58:29 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905061558j2b9bd087v5992fcd8ef9bd7f2@mail.gmail.com>

Weather report.....cool without being cold.that's logical
Not warm!
No SEcond Contact from Rev Vicus..........what kinda name is Vicus?
Zoooo I might have to Godamn well contact him again..sounded a reasonable
kinda guy over the Bell machine.....I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
(a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a doll......known
her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also she
cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health any!
jeff

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Thu May  7 16:42:18 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Thu, 07 May 2009 16:42:18 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905061558j2b9bd087v5992fcd8ef9bd7f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <915865.35626.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<ecc18000905061558j2b9bd087v5992fcd8ef9bd7f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4A0282CA.90608@roots-boots.net>

Jeff Lynch wrote:

> No SEcond Contact from Rev Vicus..........what kinda name is Vicus?

Related to Ficus? The latin name for the fig family?

"a vicus (pl. vici) was an ad hoc provincial civilian settlement that 
sprang up close to and because of a nearby official Roman site, usually 
a military garrison or state-owned mining operation, with the lowest 
legal status accorded to a built up area." In other words, the red light 
district.

"Vicus was an important early culture in Peru from 1000BC to 300AD."

"Vicus Therapeutics is a private biopharmaceutical company dedicated to 
bringing breakthrough multi-drug treatments to patients with cancer."

"Vicus Limited is a real estate development and investment company 
operating in Russia, Ukraine and the Baltic States."

"Vicus Builders is a custom homebuilder and Land Developer in Charlotte, 
NC."

"Vicus-Luxlink is a company dedicated to consulting on satellite based 
system matters."

Hmm... take your pick. :)

Another call? He may have forgotten about you.

Sorry to hear about your friend. Can't drink at the moment? Now that 
sounds bad!

cheers,
David

> Zoooo I might have to Godamn well contact him again..sounded a reasonable
> kinda guy over the Bell machine.....I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
> (a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
> Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a doll......known
> her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also she
> cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health any!
> jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May  8 08:29:20 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 15:29:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <923307.73315.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sunnie Brunnie?? I thought that "sunny [any Melbourne suburb]" was an oxymoron.? :)

Ted (ex Sydneysider but was one for 60 years) 

--- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
.I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
(a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a doll......known
her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also she
cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health any!
jeff




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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri May  8 09:57:27 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 09:57:27 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <923307.73315.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <923307.73315.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <20090508095727.ab73qkobeo4ooo88@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>:

> Sunnie Brunnie?? I thought that "sunny [any Melbourne suburb]" was   
> an oxymoron.? :)

Sunnie in this case obviously does not refer to the weather since it's  
referring to Melbourne .. so it must refer to something else. I guess  
Jeff is implying that Brunnie has a sizable Sunnie muslim population. :)

cheers,
David

> Ted (ex Sydneysider but was one for 60 years)
>
> --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> .I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
> (a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
> Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a doll......known
> her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also she
> cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health any!
> jeff
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:03:24 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:03:24 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <468764.26073.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <468764.26073.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905071703j190e3d1fj54c0ec8402db0b3e@mail.gmail.com>

What is with you and Yankee,Ladies Ted?
Now Seriouzly...The Yarrawongs Weather report.

I left Melbourne thia AM in darkness and in tumbling rain........Semis were
trying to run over my f falcon and I thought that I was in a scene from a
film direrted by Scott Ridley.....I had to pull off the road..these days ya
go into a caf.I had a coffee and waited for the sun to rise...It Did!
And the rain stopped .
HERE in Yarrawonga it is sunnier than S. Brunnie....Rained here .....ONCE in
seven or eight months.............no joking..warm and to go with it a zone
or should that be a cone of silence...Yarrasshwonga.......I took Mum across
the lake......err a bridge see....the water was a non worjing mill
pond.......English style but this is no English scene .....drowned ancient
Gums rear up over there in the distance.......a lot more have fallen into
the water after rotting since I was boy here.I was a boy elsewhere too!
And so I'm here for weekend........to include Mother's Day....I don't do
this much MD I mean.....!
But mine is 90 plus.
jeff

On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 8:57 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I'll introduce her to you if I get the chance. She probably lives not far
> from you.
>
> "Sex isn't everything but it's way ahead of whatever is in second place"
>
> I'm not sure who said that. Sex can be replaced by money or beer.
>
> --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah (about the Yank woman who was moved by Auusie rules...she probably got
> hooked on the lad's bums with their short shorts and all!
> Jeff
> Sex.....why it's not everything is it?
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:07:56 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:07:56 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <20090508095727.ab73qkobeo4ooo88@roots-boots.net>
References: <923307.73315.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20090508095727.ab73qkobeo4ooo88@roots-boots.net>
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Too true too David........And we got Namibians
                                                   Ethiopians
                                                   Pathians
                                                   Melanesians
                                                   Sengalesians
                                                   Tropicalesians
                                                   Sneezians
                                                    and an esquimeaux or2
When I taught at Sunnie Brunnie High School (does not Exist now) I think we
counted up 135-150 or so nationalities.
jeff

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Quoting Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>:
>
> > Sunnie Brunnie?? I thought that "sunny [any Melbourne suburb]" was
> > an oxymoron.  :)
>
> Sunnie in this case obviously does not refer to the weather since it's
> referring to Melbourne .. so it must refer to something else. I guess
> Jeff is implying that Brunnie has a sizable Sunnie muslim population. :)
>
> cheers,
> David
>
> > Ted (ex Sydneysider but was one for 60 years)
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > .I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
> > (a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
> > Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a
> doll......known
> > her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also
> she
> > cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health
> any!
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May  8 10:08:35 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 8 May 2009 10:08:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <20090508095727.ab73qkobeo4ooo88@roots-boots.net>
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David are you at home on a Friday morn
Jeff

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Quoting Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>:
>
> > Sunnie Brunnie?? I thought that "sunny [any Melbourne suburb]" was
> > an oxymoron.  :)
>
> Sunnie in this case obviously does not refer to the weather since it's
> referring to Melbourne .. so it must refer to something else. I guess
> Jeff is implying that Brunnie has a sizable Sunnie muslim population. :)
>
> cheers,
> David
>
> > Ted (ex Sydneysider but was one for 60 years)
> >
> > --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> > .I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
> > (a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
> > Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a
> doll......known
> > her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also
> she
> > cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health
> any!
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May  8 15:51:54 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 7 May 2009 22:51:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <286358.72712.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think that "Esquimeaux" is plural (and I think it's "Esquimaux" but that's another story) and the singular is "Esquimau" (as in "Nell"). Did you ever get and read "The Cruellest Miles" as I told you to? Tsk Tsk! If nothing else, it will at least make you feel warm - even in Melbourne.

And what about "amnesians" - or did you forget them?

--- On Fri, 8/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Too true too David........And we got Namibians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Ethiopians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Pathians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Melanesians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Sengalesians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Tropicalesians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ???Sneezians
? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? and an esquimeaux or2
When I taught at Sunnie Brunnie High School (does not Exist now) I think we
counted up 135-150 or so nationalities.
jeff





      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri May  8 16:42:18 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 08 May 2009 16:42:18 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905071708p7531f644y8abe25a7a8b11712@mail.gmail.com>
References: <923307.73315.qm@web110214.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>	<20090508095727.ab73qkobeo4ooo88@roots-boots.net>
	<ecc18000905071708p7531f644y8abe25a7a8b11712@mail.gmail.com>
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> David are you at home on a Friday morn

No, t'was at work.

Not now.

cheers,
David

> Jeff
> 
> On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 9:57 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> 
>> Quoting Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>:
>>
>>> Sunnie Brunnie?? I thought that "sunny [any Melbourne suburb]" was
>>> an oxymoron.  :)
>> Sunnie in this case obviously does not refer to the weather since it's
>> referring to Melbourne .. so it must refer to something else. I guess
>> Jeff is implying that Brunnie has a sizable Sunnie muslim population. :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>>
>>> Ted (ex Sydneysider but was one for 60 years)
>>>
>>> --- On Thu, 7/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> .I'm (Wer'e ) visiting an ill pal of ours
>>> (a lady) in Royal Park Rehab....just on the city edge of Sunnie
>>> Brunnie.....her name is Marie,,she is eighty (years)_ and a
>> doll......known
>>> her for more than 40 years.......she has a few problems..Health.....also
>> she
>>> cannot get a drink or have a smoke at the moment not heping her health
>> any!
>>> jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       Yahoo!7 recommends that you update your browser to the new
>>> Internet Explorer 8.Get it now.
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From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Sun May 10 16:28:46 2009
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2009 16:28:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
Message-ID: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I'm heading to England in July and am contemplating doing some Tolkien
sight-seeing. Michael, I believe you've been to Birmingham - was it worth
the trip? It looks like Sarehole Mill is still preserved (to what extent I'm
not sure) and Mosely Bog looks fairly evocative. Does anyone else have
recommendations for must-sees in England? (Not necessarily just Tolkien) I'm
planning on a jaunt in the Cornish countryside too.

Also, has anyone seen the Hobbiton set at Mata-mata in New-Zealand? Despite
my dislike of the films, I went there over Christmas. My misgivings were not
easily put aside after the tour guide told us he we were on a bus called
"Gandalf", but the scenery was inspiring.

Cheers,
Peter

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May 11 10:36:34 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:36:34 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
In-Reply-To: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905101736r9464fc4ia27bdf32a42866aa@mail.gmail.com>

I forget Peter
....Have you ben to Oxford?
I think so ...but need reminding
jeff
On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Folks,
>
> I'm heading to England in July and am contemplating doing some Tolkien
> sight-seeing. Michael, I believe you've been to Birmingham - was it worth
> the trip? It looks like Sarehole Mill is still preserved (to what extent
> I'm
> not sure) and Mosely Bog looks fairly evocative. Does anyone else have
> recommendations for must-sees in England? (Not necessarily just Tolkien)
> I'm
> planning on a jaunt in the Cornish countryside too.
>
> Also, has anyone seen the Hobbiton set at Mata-mata in New-Zealand? Despite
> my dislike of the films, I went there over Christmas. My misgivings were
> not
> easily put aside after the tour guide told us he we were on a bus called
> "Gandalf", but the scenery was inspiring.
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May 11 10:37:51 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 10:37:51 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <286358.72712.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <286358.72712.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905101737m1c22ef1k3b014c197b2452f8@mail.gmail.com>

Shame on you Ted ...for knowing Esquimau Nell.
Jeff

On Fri, May 8, 2009 at 3:51 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I think that "Esquimeaux" is plural (and I think it's "Esquimaux" but
> that's another story) and the singular is "Esquimau" (as in "Nell"). Did you
> ever get and read "The Cruellest Miles" as I told you to? Tsk Tsk! If
> nothing else, it will at least make you feel warm - even in Melbourne.
>
> And what about "amnesians" - or did you forget them?
>
> --- On Fri, 8/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Too true too David........And we got Namibians
>                                                    Ethiopians
>                                                    Pathians
>                                                    Melanesians
>                                                    Sengalesians
>                                                    Tropicalesians
>                                                    Sneezians
>                                                     and an esquimeaux or2
> When I taught at Sunnie Brunnie High School (does not Exist now) I think we
> counted up 135-150 or so nationalities.
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
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>

From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Mon May 11 13:28:35 2009
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 13:28:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905101736r9464fc4ia27bdf32a42866aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<ecc18000905101736r9464fc4ia27bdf32a42866aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8747777b0905102028w587ef4afj628378cad23e43a3@mail.gmail.com>

Nope, this is my first time to the mother country. Will definitely go there
though.

Peter

On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 10:36 AM, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>wrote:

> I forget Peter
> ....Have you ben to Oxford?
> I think so ...but need reminding
> jeff
> On Sun, May 10, 2009 at 4:28 PM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I'm heading to England in July and am contemplating doing some Tolkien
> > sight-seeing. Michael, I believe you've been to Birmingham - was it worth
> > the trip? It looks like Sarehole Mill is still preserved (to what extent
> > I'm
> > not sure) and Mosely Bog looks fairly evocative. Does anyone else have
> > recommendations for must-sees in England? (Not necessarily just Tolkien)
> > I'm
> > planning on a jaunt in the Cornish countryside too.
> >
> > Also, has anyone seen the Hobbiton set at Mata-mata in New-Zealand?
> Despite
> > my dislike of the films, I went there over Christmas. My misgivings were
> > not
> > easily put aside after the tour guide told us he we were on a bus called
> > "Gandalf", but the scenery was inspiring.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon May 11 15:23:23 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 15:23:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
In-Reply-To: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B85646295B942A28E77BFEBAF5869E2@Michael>

Hi Peter,

You lucky devil! I have not only been to Birmingham...I was born there! The
countryside around Birmingham is a must, and this would include Sarehole
(where the mill is), Moseley Village, and the Cole Valley. The Cotswolds are
also worth a look.

And what about Oxford? If I was going back I'd be revisiting.

I didn't see the Hobbiton set itself, but you can understand why the land
was the perfect setting for making the movie.

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wilkin
> Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 4:29 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
> 
> Hi Folks,
> 
> I'm heading to England in July and am contemplating doing some
> Tolkien
> sight-seeing. Michael, I believe you've been to Birmingham -
> was it worth
> the trip? It looks like Sarehole Mill is still preserved (to
> what extent I'm
> not sure) and Mosely Bog looks fairly evocative. Does anyone
> else have
> recommendations for must-sees in England? (Not necessarily just
> Tolkien) I'm
> planning on a jaunt in the Cornish countryside too.
> 
> Also, has anyone seen the Hobbiton set at Mata-mata in New-
> Zealand? Despite
> my dislike of the films, I went there over Christmas. My
> misgivings were not
> easily put aside after the tour guide told us he we were on a
> bus called
> "Gandalf", but the scenery was inspiring.
> 
> Cheers,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org





From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 12 07:21:36 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 14:21:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <774031.94489.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

"Eskimo Nell" is a very interesting poem, despite the rather gruesome story and the four letter words. Although there's no "official" version and there are many slightly differing versions on the net, it has the appearance of having been written by one person, that person in all probability a devotee of the Canadian poet Robert W Service. There's a lot in common with Nell and Service's "The Shooting of Dan McGrew". I personally think that Service's "Yukon Ballads" compare very favourably with the poetry of Paterson and Lawson and even some of Kipling. There were two films made called "Eskimo Nell", though neither was very successful, but as a folk tale the poem is, I believe, worth preserving. It was published in a book by an Australian author (whose name I forget) and called "The Best Bawdry". It may be published elsewhere, though I've never seen even a guess at the author's name - certainly not Service himself.

--- On Mon, 11/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Shame on you Ted ...for knowing Esquimau Nell.




      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:21:32 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:21:32 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
In-Reply-To: <0B85646295B942A28E77BFEBAF5869E2@Michael>
References: <8747777b0905092328p6c4c1f75x2ceb242ecd446b3a@mail.gmail.com>
	<0B85646295B942A28E77BFEBAF5869E2@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905111621r7b09437bp5bbf890e5ca36ab8@mail.gmail.com>

Yep ....Peter do yourself a real favour....go and have a shepherd's pie in
the Bird and Baby.....If I were you I might go to Oxford before
Birmingham...you are right to pick Mike's brains re the Brummies and their
Coontry......but I would go not only to Ox and Birm but also to Cambridge as
well.
You Will be repaid.....take a short trip in the Backs on a punt......see the
cracking, sinking bridges and buildings....think on Wren the man who was not
an architect but built St Pauls (after the fire) in London..... he also was
a Cambridge architect..and mathematician or summat....(he did not know
perhaps!)
Any old how Oxford...stay away from it at high summer and
weekends...............Stay in the country side( Rents and rooms are BIGTIME
IN THE TOWN).......Get a place near the trainline.......trains are ripping
in and out of Oxford all day and most of the night.

Get walking in Oxford.......there's much to see.......Ted would say try(you
may fail) to get a ticket to see the Bodelian........I've been to Oxford 3
times and have NOT been in it....YET!
God luck and I envy you Pete
Jeff



On Mon, May 11, 2009 at 3:23 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> You lucky devil! I have not only been to Birmingham...I was born there! The
> countryside around Birmingham is a must, and this would include Sarehole
> (where the mill is), Moseley Village, and the Cole Valley. The Cotswolds
> are
> also worth a look.
>
> And what about Oxford? If I was going back I'd be revisiting.
>
> I didn't see the Hobbiton set itself, but you can understand why the land
> was the perfect setting for making the movie.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wilkin
> > Sent: Sunday, 10 May 2009 4:29 PM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
> >
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I'm heading to England in July and am contemplating doing some
> > Tolkien
> > sight-seeing. Michael, I believe you've been to Birmingham -
> > was it worth
> > the trip? It looks like Sarehole Mill is still preserved (to
> > what extent I'm
> > not sure) and Mosely Bog looks fairly evocative. Does anyone
> > else have
> > recommendations for must-sees in England? (Not necessarily just
> > Tolkien) I'm
> > planning on a jaunt in the Cornish countryside too.
> >
> > Also, has anyone seen the Hobbiton set at Mata-mata in New-
> > Zealand? Despite
> > my dislike of the films, I went there over Christmas. My
> > misgivings were not
> > easily put aside after the tour guide told us he we were on a
> > bus called
> > "Gandalf", but the scenery was inspiring.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:23:13 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:23:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <774031.94489.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <774031.94489.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905111623w47de15fbx9458952fe4261249@mail.gmail.com>

Who would have delivered this Ecquimaux faux tale but Edwin Scribner?
Beats hell out of Chaucer begod!
jeff

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 7:21 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> "Eskimo Nell" is a very interesting poem, despite the rather gruesome story
> and the four letter words. Although there's no "official" version and there
> are many slightly differing versions on the net, it has the appearance of
> having been written by one person, that person in all probability a devotee
> of the Canadian poet Robert W Service. There's a lot in common with Nell and
> Service's "The Shooting of Dan McGrew". I personally think that Service's
> "Yukon Ballads" compare very favourably with the poetry of Paterson and
> Lawson and even some of Kipling. There were two films made called "Eskimo
> Nell", though neither was very successful, but as a folk tale the poem is, I
> believe, worth preserving. It was published in a book by an Australian
> author (whose name I forget) and called "The Best Bawdry". It may be
> published elsewhere, though I've never seen even a guess at the author's
> name - certainly not Service himself.
>
> --- On Mon, 11/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Shame on you Ted ...for knowing Esquimau Nell.
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 12 09:25:28 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 12 May 2009 09:25:28 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <65162.98194.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <65162.98194.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905111625n151a71e8x7ace288a17ef9c6c@mail.gmail.com>

Weather report
Am ringing the Godbotherer again re the Melville Road Hall..........further
weather notices when there is more (or at least enough) weather.
jeff

PS it's BB season............ie broad beans.plant em I mean.

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 12 09:50:05 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 16:50:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <262380.53730.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Chaucer and Boccacio!

When a man grows old ...

You know what I mean.

Cheers,

Ted

--- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Who would have delivered this Ecquimaux faux tale but Edwin Scribner?
Beats hell out of Chaucer begod!
jeff





      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 12 10:16:38 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:16:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
Message-ID: <753805.14930.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Peter,

Are you driving around Britain? I did that twice - 4000 miles each time, and I didn't scratch the surface of all there is to see. Of course you should see Oxford - and Cambridge. I'd also recommend Warwick and if you're not above a bit of fun see Warwick castle while you're there. It is historical but it's more fun than history. However I'd recommend not trying to see too many castles - there's a zillion of them. I couldn't even recommend which ones deserve preference. If you like to see National Trust properties, join the National Trust here before you go - members get in free to most places, and there are over 1000 of them in England (or is that in all of Britain?).

Regarding Birmingham, I can't speak much from experience as I didn't go into the city, but there are plenty of worthwhile places to visit on the periphery. Leeds has some Tolkien connections and if you go there see York too. Rozzie says don't miss the Isle of Skye. She (and I) did and she wants to go back any time soon. "Silly" places that we saw include Tintagel (Cornwall) and Porlock (Somerset).

--- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Yep ....Peter do yourself a real favour....go and have a shepherd's pie in
the Bird and Baby.....If I were you I might go to Oxford before
Birmingham...you are right to pick Mike's brains re the Brummies and their
Coontry......but I would go not only to Ox and Birm but also to Cambridge as
well.
You Will be repaid.....take a short trip in the Backs on a punt......see the
cracking, sinking bridges and buildings....think on Wren the man who was not
an architect but built St Pauls (after the fire) in London..... he also was
a Cambridge architect..and mathematician or summat....(he did not know
perhaps!)
Any old how Oxford...stay away from it at high summer and
weekends...............Stay in the country side( Rents and rooms are BIGTIME
IN THE TOWN).......Get a place near the trainline.......trains are ripping
in and out of Oxford all day and most of the night.

Get walking in Oxford.......there's much to see.......Ted would say try(you
may fail) to get a ticket to see the Bodelian........I've been to Oxford 3
times and have NOT been in it....YET!
God luck and I envy you Pete
Jeff





      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 12 10:25:50 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 11 May 2009 17:25:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <210630.26672.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I bought a copy yesterday at Borders, Parramatta. It looks like a rather formidable document - not for light reading. The only edition available was hardcover at $30 which is not much more than the usual trade paperback these days. It has 377 pages but the type is well spread out. 

More when I've become more acquainted with it.

Cheers

Ted



      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed May 13 09:48:23 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 09:48:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <262380.53730.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <262380.53730.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905121648y5fa1fe75xe5c13aa9aff6990e@mail.gmail.com>

TEd Years ago........MANY I saw......the (Italian ) film of The
Decameron...in those (heady) times they (the Ities) sure knew how to make a
horny old theme of a film....good material to with the Boccaccio
stuff..opens up as I remember it with a tale of a man who fell down the
dunny...........(as a part olf a wall  or a chimney like 15th Century
shiteshute.)....still to this day still a lot of hyper fun...nunwise and
all.......Nun's asleep I mean......in a hottish sun.....
and never mind about local boys sending piccies opf their ex girly- girl
friends....Boccaccio Rules!
jeff

PS I attempted a second contact (today) with Rev Vicus.still not revved up
enow to answer his phone.Sundays....Bloody Sundays efforts to much I
suppose.......a Chorus of sighs from a most restless devil of a man (me) I
do not suppose you really could have a restless angel? sounds a
contradiction (in terms) anyhows... but I am practicing to be one...( an
angel I mean).......we will speak again@ God's Sweet time I guess.
.

On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 9:50 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Chaucer and Boccacio!
>
> When a man grows old ...
>
> You know what I mean.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Who would have delivered this Ecquimaux faux tale but Edwin Scribner?
> Beats hell out of Chaucer begod!
> jeff
>
>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed May 13 11:36:22 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 11:36:22 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905121648y5fa1fe75xe5c13aa9aff6990e@mail.gmail.com>
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Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> TEd Years ago........MANY I saw......the (Italian ) film of The
> Decameron...in those (heady) times they (the Ities) sure knew how to make a
> horny old theme of a film....good material to with the Boccaccio

Well the continentals seem to have looser inhibitions with movies, if  
only from a quick review of the content of the foreign films on SBS  
and the SBS movie channel on foxtel! More horny than on the playboy  
channel! And no, I've never seen the later.

> opens up as I remember it with a tale of a man who fell down the
> dunny...........(as a part olf a wall  or a chimney like 15th Century
> shiteshute.)

I guess that was a danger of the old closets. A 'closet' being  
originally not a place for storing clothing but rather a room with a  
chute for disposing of certain materials. Soiled clothing was hung in  
the 'closet' since it was partially exposed to the outside air.  
Doesn't make the room sound particularly attractive!! But then, living  
conditions back then were not attractive .. for rich or poor.

I daresay in this case it's a matter of hoping that the fall kills you  
rather than the thump at the nether end.

> all.......Nun's asleep I mean......in a hottish sun.....
> and never mind about local boys sending piccies opf their ex girly- girl
> friends....Boccaccio Rules!

Nah .. that's the domain of football players. :)

> PS I attempted a second contact (today) with Rev Vicus.still not revved up
> enow to answer his phone.

Hmmm... if the church has a website you may want to check to see if it  
has contact details for the wardens and contact them instead ... this  
sort of stuff is their bailiwick anyway, not the priest's. Mind you,  
different denominations have different names for wardens ... that's  
the anglican name for the critters.

> suppose.......a Chorus of sighs from a most restless devil of a man (me) I
> do not suppose you really could have a restless angel? sounds a
> contradiction (in terms) anyhows...

Well according to the stories, Lucifer was a restless angel, so yes,  
you could definitely have a restless angel.

cheers,
David
-- 
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu May 14 09:23:58 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 09:23:58 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Holy Moley David,
Yep I'd forgotten about Lucifer.....used tosit on the right hans side og
GOD!

.......see Milton...
Also a beaut Lucifer on the Anglican Cathedral in Coventry ..the new one
from the 50's 60's aftyer the huge bombing raids during the GOOD war.
A famous (Epstein) work I declare...I first saw it (Mr Wilkins!) in 1967.
We are all going to have joy and fun I reckon with his first trip to Britain
...What Larks old fellow.
Jeff PS I will attack the Uniting Church again this day.......I might have
to resort to what they ( the Germans) did to Coventry?



On Wed, May 13, 2009 at 11:36 AM, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net>wrote:

> Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:
>
> > TEd Years ago........MANY I saw......the (Italian ) film of The
> > Decameron...in those (heady) times they (the Ities) sure knew how to make
> a
> > horny old theme of a film....good material to with the Boccaccio
>
> Well the continentals seem to have looser inhibitions with movies, if
> only from a quick review of the content of the foreign films on SBS
> and the SBS movie channel on foxtel! More horny than on the playboy
> channel! And no, I've never seen the later.
>
> > opens up as I remember it with a tale of a man who fell down the
> > dunny...........(as a part olf a wall  or a chimney like 15th Century
> > shiteshute.)
>
> I guess that was a danger of the old closets. A 'closet' being
> originally not a place for storing clothing but rather a room with a
> chute for disposing of certain materials. Soiled clothing was hung in
> the 'closet' since it was partially exposed to the outside air.
> Doesn't make the room sound particularly attractive!! But then, living
> conditions back then were not attractive .. for rich or poor.
>
> I daresay in this case it's a matter of hoping that the fall kills you
> rather than the thump at the nether end.
>
> > all.......Nun's asleep I mean......in a hottish sun.....
> > and never mind about local boys sending piccies opf their ex girly- girl
> > friends....Boccaccio Rules!
>
> Nah .. that's the domain of football players. :)
>
> > PS I attempted a second contact (today) with Rev Vicus.still not revved
> up
> > enow to answer his phone.
>
> Hmmm... if the church has a website you may want to check to see if it
> has contact details for the wardens and contact them instead ... this
> sort of stuff is their bailiwick anyway, not the priest's. Mind you,
> different denominations have different names for wardens ... that's
> the anglican name for the critters.
>
> > suppose.......a Chorus of sighs from a most restless devil of a man (me)
> I
> > do not suppose you really could have a restless angel? sounds a
> > contradiction (in terms) anyhows...
>
> Well according to the stories, Lucifer was a restless angel, so yes,
> you could definitely have a restless angel.
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
>    Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007
>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu May 14 12:03:43 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 13 May 2009 19:03:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <100281.23485.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

His name is Wilkin, Jeff, not Wilkins. One Wilkin, not two Wilkins :)

--- On Thu, 14/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

A famous (Epstein) work I declare...I first saw it (Mr Wilkins!) in 1967.




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From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Fri May 15 08:52:33 2009
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 08:52:33 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
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That's the plan. I'm going to hire a car and do a rough circuit, starting at
Oxford, down through Cornwall, up to Bath and Glastonbury, maybe hit
Birmingham and then go to York. I haven't worked out the rest very well. Why
do you call Tintagel and Porlock silly places? I was planning to visit both
these spots- obviously from Tolkienesque influences.

I'll keep an eye out for the shephard's pie, Jeff.

Thanks for the advice!
Peter


On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Peter,
>
> Are you driving around Britain? I did that twice - 4000 miles each time,
> and I didn't scratch the surface of all there is to see. Of course you
> should see Oxford - and Cambridge. I'd also recommend Warwick and if you're
> not above a bit of fun see Warwick castle while you're there. It is
> historical but it's more fun than history. However I'd recommend not trying
> to see too many castles - there's a zillion of them. I couldn't even
> recommend which ones deserve preference. If you like to see National Trust
> properties, join the National Trust here before you go - members get in free
> to most places, and there are over 1000 of them in England (or is that in
> all of Britain?).
>
> Regarding Birmingham, I can't speak much from experience as I didn't go
> into the city, but there are plenty of worthwhile places to visit on the
> periphery. Leeds has some Tolkien connections and if you go there see York
> too. Rozzie says don't miss the Isle of Skye. She (and I) did and she wants
> to go back any time soon. "Silly" places that we saw include Tintagel
> (Cornwall) and Porlock (Somerset).
>
> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yep ....Peter do yourself a real favour....go and have a shepherd's pie in
> the Bird and Baby.....If I were you I might go to Oxford before
> Birmingham...you are right to pick Mike's brains re the Brummies and their
> Coontry......but I would go not only to Ox and Birm but also to Cambridge
> as
> well.
> You Will be repaid.....take a short trip in the Backs on a punt......see
> the
> cracking, sinking bridges and buildings....think on Wren the man who was
> not
> an architect but built St Pauls (after the fire) in London..... he also was
> a Cambridge architect..and mathematician or summat....(he did not know
> perhaps!)
> Any old how Oxford...stay away from it at high summer and
> weekends...............Stay in the country side( Rents and rooms are
> BIGTIME
> IN THE TOWN).......Get a place near the trainline.......trains are ripping
> in and out of Oxford all day and most of the night.
>
> Get walking in Oxford.......there's much to see.......Ted would say try(you
> may fail) to get a ticket to see the Bodelian........I've been to Oxford 3
> times and have NOT been in it....YET!
> God luck and I envy you Pete
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May 15 09:18:22 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:18:22 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
In-Reply-To: <8747777b0905141552r71ed33b0yf11f2b21c39bc85@mail.gmail.com>
References: <753805.14930.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<8747777b0905141552r71ed33b0yf11f2b21c39bc85@mail.gmail.com>
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Fine .........(Mr Wilkin) Thanks Ted.
Advice is free..........nobody really accepts it unless they agree.
anyway...............
Ted is righr about the pletora of (interesting) things that GB
offers...........I been lucky enough to travel q extensively at my ownpace
there  and q recently too......Car is great in the Northern Parts.just
rotten in the South and southeast...........too much traffic
altogether.........Get ready for the ubiquitous Roundabout.......you won't
really understand this until you on a hundred or so of em Peter.
Jeff

On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

> That's the plan. I'm going to hire a car and do a rough circuit, starting
> at
> Oxford, down through Cornwall, up to Bath and Glastonbury, maybe hit
> Birmingham and then go to York. I haven't worked out the rest very well.
> Why
> do you call Tintagel and Porlock silly places? I was planning to visit both
> these spots- obviously from Tolkienesque influences.
>
> I'll keep an eye out for the shephard's pie, Jeff.
>
> Thanks for the advice!
> Peter
>
>
> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Peter,
> >
> > Are you driving around Britain? I did that twice - 4000 miles each time,
> > and I didn't scratch the surface of all there is to see. Of course you
> > should see Oxford - and Cambridge. I'd also recommend Warwick and if
> you're
> > not above a bit of fun see Warwick castle while you're there. It is
> > historical but it's more fun than history. However I'd recommend not
> trying
> > to see too many castles - there's a zillion of them. I couldn't even
> > recommend which ones deserve preference. If you like to see National
> Trust
> > properties, join the National Trust here before you go - members get in
> free
> > to most places, and there are over 1000 of them in England (or is that in
> > all of Britain?).
> >
> > Regarding Birmingham, I can't speak much from experience as I didn't go
> > into the city, but there are plenty of worthwhile places to visit on the
> > periphery. Leeds has some Tolkien connections and if you go there see
> York
> > too. Rozzie says don't miss the Isle of Skye. She (and I) did and she
> wants
> > to go back any time soon. "Silly" places that we saw include Tintagel
> > (Cornwall) and Porlock (Somerset).
> >
> > --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Yep ....Peter do yourself a real favour....go and have a shepherd's pie
> in
> > the Bird and Baby.....If I were you I might go to Oxford before
> > Birmingham...you are right to pick Mike's brains re the Brummies and
> their
> > Coontry......but I would go not only to Ox and Birm but also to Cambridge
> > as
> > well.
> > You Will be repaid.....take a short trip in the Backs on a punt......see
> > the
> > cracking, sinking bridges and buildings....think on Wren the man who was
> > not
> > an architect but built St Pauls (after the fire) in London..... he also
> was
> > a Cambridge architect..and mathematician or summat....(he did not know
> > perhaps!)
> > Any old how Oxford...stay away from it at high summer and
> > weekends...............Stay in the country side( Rents and rooms are
> > BIGTIME
> > IN THE TOWN).......Get a place near the trainline.......trains are
> ripping
> > in and out of Oxford all day and most of the night.
> >
> > Get walking in Oxford.......there's much to see.......Ted would say
> try(you
> > may fail) to get a ticket to see the Bodelian........I've been to Oxford
> 3
> > times and have NOT been in it....YET!
> > God luck and I envy you Pete
> > Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May 15 09:19:37 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 09:19:37 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Off to find the wizard of Melville Road once more......he would not answer
me on phone yesterday (again!)
jeff

On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> His name is Wilkin, Jeff, not Wilkins. One Wilkin, not two Wilkins :)
>
> --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> A famous (Epstein) work I declare...I first saw it (Mr Wilkins!) in 1967.
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May 15 13:26:27 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:26:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
Message-ID: <262152.18991.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I hired the car in Australia and picked it up from near Heathrow after first spending some time in London. First time I got it from Avis and was well satisfied. Second time I got it from Hertz and wished I hadn't. It broke down and I had to go several hundred miles out of my way to get another one. 

I recommend that you don't try to drive into a big city, notably London and Birmingham, but park on the periphery and take public transport. Also get as up to date a street directory as possible. We found several changes to major roads had been made in the space of a year or two between the map compilation and the trip. We visited Oxford by parking in a car park just off the Ring Road and catching a bus ("park and ride"). You can get that near Wolvercote Cemetery if you've a mind to see the Tolkiens' grave. I'd be interested to hear how well the local fans are maintaining it.

Look for the village of Lezant in Cornwall and from there see if you can find Roger and Linda Garland's studio. When we went there, Roger's mother, Doreen, owned a farm and ran the farm cottage as a B&B - we stayed there two nights.

I called Tintagel a "silly place" because it traded on the strength of the belief that King Arthur came from there. There are "Merlin's Coffee Shop", "Lancelot's Caf?", etc. They also sell Cornish pasties, Scrumpy and other delicacies. Actually I would recommend going there, not for the Arthurian memorabilia but it's got spectacular ocean (actually Irish Sea) scenery. The Old Post Office is worth a look too. You'll probably come through Boscastle on the way and I guess that's worth stopping at. 

Porlock is rather a cute little village, but mind the hill leading to it from the west if you come from that direction: it's really steep. The only thing I know about Porlock is that it was where the person lived whose agent disturbed Samuel Taylor Coleridge as he was writing down the words of "Kubla Khan", after having had a (probably opium induced) dream. Also, of course, there's relevance to Dirk Gently which I recall your mentioning as a favourite book. However, I suspect now that it got a mention in the Notion Club Papers (must look at that again). I guess it's a must see. 

Then there's Wales - but it's the language rather than the scenery that's Tolkien relevant. Nevertheless you should see a few castles. If you drive through the Brecon Beacons park have a care - the road is very narrow and locals have the right of way (or you'd certainly think they do).

When in Cumbria, climb a fell or twain. It's what they all do. The ultimate in fell climbing is to do the "four threes" (Skiddaw, Scafell, Scafell Pike and Helvellyn - the four fells over 3000 feet high). Explore the possibility of getting over to the Isle of Man. I didn't and I wish I had.

--- On Fri, 15/5/09, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:


That's the plan. I'm going to hire a car and do a rough circuit, starting at
Oxford, down through Cornwall, up to Bath and Glastonbury, maybe hit
Birmingham and then go to York. I haven't worked out the rest very well. Why
do you call Tintagel and Porlock silly places? I was planning to visit both
these spots- obviously from Tolkienesque influences.

I'll keep an eye out for the shephard's pie, Jeff.

Thanks for the advice!
Peter






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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May 15 13:39:13 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2009 20:39:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
Message-ID: <770552.73791.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

One thing I think I can add - British drivers are more courteous than Australian drivers. That is of course a general rule only. Also if an oncoming car flashes headlights at you the driver means he/she is giving you right of way, ie he/she is stopping to let you past or through. Anything I say, or can say, about British traffic however does not necessarily hold for big cities, where I never took my car.

--- On Fri, 15/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Received: Friday, 15 May, 2009, 9:18 AM

Fine .........(Mr Wilkin) Thanks Ted.
Advice is free..........nobody really accepts it unless they agree.
anyway...............
Ted is righr about the pletora of (interesting) things that GB
offers...........I been lucky enough to travel q extensively at my ownpace
there? and q recently too......Car is great in the Northern Parts.just
rotten in the South and southeast...........too much traffic
altogether.........Get ready for the ubiquitous Roundabout.......you won't
really understand this until you on a hundred or so of em Peter.
Jeff





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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri May 15 17:10:57 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:10:57 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Birmingham
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> altogether.........Get ready for the ubiquitous Roundabout.......you won't
> really understand this until you on a hundred or so of em Peter.

You mean more than there are in Sydney???!!!!!

cheers,
David


> Jeff
> 
> On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 8:52 AM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> That's the plan. I'm going to hire a car and do a rough circuit, starting
>> at
>> Oxford, down through Cornwall, up to Bath and Glastonbury, maybe hit
>> Birmingham and then go to York. I haven't worked out the rest very well.
>> Why
>> do you call Tintagel and Porlock silly places? I was planning to visit both
>> these spots- obviously from Tolkienesque influences.
>>
>> I'll keep an eye out for the shephard's pie, Jeff.
>>
>> Thanks for the advice!
>> Peter
>>
>>
>> On Tue, May 12, 2009 at 10:16 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Are you driving around Britain? I did that twice - 4000 miles each time,
>>> and I didn't scratch the surface of all there is to see. Of course you
>>> should see Oxford - and Cambridge. I'd also recommend Warwick and if
>> you're
>>> not above a bit of fun see Warwick castle while you're there. It is
>>> historical but it's more fun than history. However I'd recommend not
>> trying
>>> to see too many castles - there's a zillion of them. I couldn't even
>>> recommend which ones deserve preference. If you like to see National
>> Trust
>>> properties, join the National Trust here before you go - members get in
>> free
>>> to most places, and there are over 1000 of them in England (or is that in
>>> all of Britain?).
>>>
>>> Regarding Birmingham, I can't speak much from experience as I didn't go
>>> into the city, but there are plenty of worthwhile places to visit on the
>>> periphery. Leeds has some Tolkien connections and if you go there see
>> York
>>> too. Rozzie says don't miss the Isle of Skye. She (and I) did and she
>> wants
>>> to go back any time soon. "Silly" places that we saw include Tintagel
>>> (Cornwall) and Porlock (Somerset).
>>>
>>> --- On Tue, 12/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yep ....Peter do yourself a real favour....go and have a shepherd's pie
>> in
>>> the Bird and Baby.....If I were you I might go to Oxford before
>>> Birmingham...you are right to pick Mike's brains re the Brummies and
>> their
>>> Coontry......but I would go not only to Ox and Birm but also to Cambridge
>>> as
>>> well.
>>> You Will be repaid.....take a short trip in the Backs on a punt......see
>>> the
>>> cracking, sinking bridges and buildings....think on Wren the man who was
>>> not
>>> an architect but built St Pauls (after the fire) in London..... he also
>> was
>>> a Cambridge architect..and mathematician or summat....(he did not know
>>> perhaps!)
>>> Any old how Oxford...stay away from it at high summer and
>>> weekends...............Stay in the country side( Rents and rooms are
>>> BIGTIME
>>> IN THE TOWN).......Get a place near the trainline.......trains are
>> ripping
>>> in and out of Oxford all day and most of the night.
>>>
>>> Get walking in Oxford.......there's much to see.......Ted would say
>> try(you
>>> may fail) to get a ticket to see the Bodelian........I've been to Oxford
>> 3
>>> times and have NOT been in it....YET!
>>> God luck and I envy you Pete
>>> Jeff
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 17:13:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Off to find the wizard of Melville Road once more......he would not answer
> me on phone yesterday (again!)

There's an old proverb from the Bible that loosely paraphrases .. "If 
you get no response, shake the dust off your shoes, tell them they're 
going to hell and try elsewhere". Rather loosely paraphrased, mind you. :)

It actually says sandals, but I'm not going to accuse you of being a 
sandal wearer. :)

cheers,
David

> jeff
> 
> On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
>> His name is Wilkin, Jeff, not Wilkins. One Wilkin, not two Wilkins :)
>>
>> --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> A famous (Epstein) work I declare...I first saw it (Mr Wilkins!) in 1967.
>>
>>
>>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat May 16 09:20:24 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 09:20:24 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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David ...two summers agao I was in Wales(listen up Mr Wilkin) I wore snadals
ALL THE TIME..........tho' it rained 18 days out of 21 (i bloody well
counted them).
Zo sandalman I am....mebeee ya right about der Vicus godbothere...........I
could try my old mate Gazza Mc Kinnon.......Deuty Head (prinicpal) of
Brunswick Secondary College....a nice enoughplace these days.....if a High
School could ever be said to be so....They might just do it (on a Friday)
I will def talk to Gazza any old hows.....Nothing Ventured.........
WElSH RAREBITS for Mr Wilkin.......I took a house at Beddgelert (Gynnedd)
which is 3 k's from der Biggish Mountain MOUNT SNOWDON........( for two
months,...I sat and wrote and drank and well......?).....again as Ted says
every one walks here too....... Nigh on every day the teo streams poured
down tonnes of der thing called mountain water.raining raining
raining......the village of Beddgelert belongs in a Disney Film....KUTE to a
MOOT point!
But Ted is def right again......tis the language.here winds all around yo
and the tales.....the voices (hear Richard Burton speaking English and you
can find out what I mean)....Arthur is in Wales more than any other place..I
read it..... I felt it and climbed among it just a little........wrote of it
and drank a lot in the pubs........meeting the locals............just
outside Beddgelert is a Merlin legend Castle......King Vortingen holed up
here..and had strife under his Castle......(The ruins are are stilll just
visible at ground base) He asked Merlin to fix the problem  Merlin told him
that two dragons were fighthing underground and stuffing up things in his
fortified place.I climbed up here.tis not too hard at all.....Best part
really is the Huobbit region Forest that you go through to reach the
Vortingen Castle...............5 stars for a feel of Wesh Legends of
Atrhurian tales....there are many lake beast...stroke Dragon tales here
too...........all more or less in sight of Mount Snowdon....three pubs and a
dozen B an B's....for the ramblers......only 300 local inhabitants.....do
not miss it.( or if you cannot get there)......... borrow a book from me
....written by a 19th Century local....ask only and it's yours Peter.
Jeff



On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Jeff Lynch wrote:
> > Off to find the wizard of Melville Road once more......he would not
> answer
> > me on phone yesterday (again!)
>
> There's an old proverb from the Bible that loosely paraphrases .. "If
> you get no response, shake the dust off your shoes, tell them they're
> going to hell and try elsewhere". Rather loosely paraphrased, mind you. :)
>
> It actually says sandals, but I'm not going to accuse you of being a
> sandal wearer. :)
>
> cheers,
> David
>
> > jeff
> >
> > On Thu, May 14, 2009 at 12:03 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> His name is Wilkin, Jeff, not Wilkins. One Wilkin, not two Wilkins :)
> >>
> >> --- On Thu, 14/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> A famous (Epstein) work I declare...I first saw it (Mr Wilkins!) in
> 1967.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat May 16 11:28:34 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 15 May 2009 18:28:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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Jeff, your writing looks more like James Joyce than Dylan Thomas :)

Peter, if you don't catch enough cymric in the streets, tune in to the TV station that broadcasts in their native language with no subtitles and it may well give you some of the feeling that the young Ron Tolkien got. Which raises the point: what kind if accommodation are you looking for? We (in 1996) tended to go for B&Bs, because they are comfortable and they give you a taste of what real British people are like (although most probably don't have bacon and eggs for breakfast). I have a suspicion that accommodation prices have gone way up since we were there, but perhaps coincidentally the Aussie Dollar is standing about the same vice the Pound Sterling as it was in 1996 (about 50p).

One word we learned: "rhos" means "hill" :) Oh, and "croeso i Gymru" (I think that's it) means "welcome to Wales" - you'll see it just after you cross the Severn estuary if that's the way you go. Apparently even proper nouns can change spelling depending on the case (subjective - Cymru, but I guess you know all that).


--- On Sat, 16/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


David ...two summers agao I was in Wales(listen up Mr Wilkin) I wore snadals
ALL THE TIME..........tho' it rained 18 days out of 21 (i bloody well
counted them).
Zo sandalman I am....mebeee ya right about der Vicus godbothere...........I
could try my old mate Gazza Mc Kinnon.......Deuty Head (prinicpal) of
Brunswick Secondary College....a nice enoughplace these days.....if a High
School could ever be said to be so....They might just do it (on a Friday)
I will def talk to Gazza any old hows.....Nothing Ventured.........
WElSH RAREBITS for Mr Wilkin.......I took a house at Beddgelert (Gynnedd)
which is 3 k's from der Biggish Mountain MOUNT SNOWDON........( for two
months,...I sat and wrote and drank and well......?).....again as Ted says
every one walks here too....... Nigh on every day the teo streams poured
down tonnes of der thing called mountain water.raining raining
raining......the village of Beddgelert belongs in a Disney Film....KUTE to a
MOOT point!
But Ted is def right again......tis the language.here winds all around yo
and the tales.....the voices (hear Richard Burton speaking English and you
can find out what I mean)....Arthur is in Wales more than any other place..I
read it..... I felt it and climbed among it just a little........wrote of it
and drank a lot in the pubs........meeting the locals............just
outside Beddgelert is a Merlin legend Castle......King Vortingen holed up
here..and had strife under his Castle......(The ruins are are stilll just
visible at ground base) He asked Merlin to fix the problem? Merlin told him
that two dragons were fighthing underground and stuffing up things in his
fortified place.I climbed up here.tis not too hard at all.....Best part
really is the Huobbit region Forest that you go through to reach the
Vortingen Castle...............5 stars for a feel of Wesh Legends of
Atrhurian tales....there are many lake beast...stroke Dragon tales here
too...........all more or less in sight of Mount Snowdon....three pubs and a
dozen B an B's....for the ramblers......only 300 local inhabitants.....do
not miss it.( or if you cannot get there)......... borrow a book from me
....written by a 19th Century local....ask only and it's yours Peter.
Jeff





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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sat May 16 19:38:59 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 19:38:59 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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I look forward to reading your thoughts on this Ted. I still don't have a
copy. 

I believe Christopher has interpolated the story with notes and
explanations. Like everything else it's optional. For the first reading I
prefer to ignore the notes etc, however interesting they may be.    

> -----Original Message-----
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> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Tuesday, 12 May 2009 10:26 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> I bought a copy yesterday at Borders, Parramatta. It looks like
> a rather formidable document - not for light reading. The only
> edition available was hardcover at $30 which is not much more
> than the usual trade paperback these days. It has 377 pages but
> the type is well spread out.
> 
> More when I've become more acquainted with it.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May 17 09:46:40 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:46:40 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: Re: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
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On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 11:28 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Jeff, your writing looks more like James Joyce than Dylan Thomas :)
>
> Well That is good and dandy.Thomas was an inspired quasi drunk whereas JJ
> was a French speaking Catholic git pedant!

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May 17 09:52:41 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 09:52:41 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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Weather report.....
Just as I was contemplating David's lucid imprecations re Christian
attitudes to sandals....ie shaking the dust of the same.......I espied
Estonian House!
Yes and a sign was signing to me(and others)
It said....HALL FOR SALE...I said to myself Capital! ..in lower case
letters...and guess what?
You already did....there was a mobile phone number there with that
too......I rang that number.....guess what no answer!
This Hall was once ...some day before 1969....when I came to West Brunwick a
Cinema.
It is larger ..better sited....a tramstop at the front door...on Melville
Rd.has great facilities (I think!) and would be admirably suitable for
us....AND NO CHRISTIANS!
Awaiting............Estonian talking over a phone.
love Jeff

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun May 17 11:31:45 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 11:31:45 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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Just returned from the RSPCA walk at Fairy Meadow (yes - it's a real place).
I met a St Bernard called Huan! 

Jeff,

Sounds good although we don't want to buy the hall. Just use it for a day.
:-)

Michael


> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2009 9:53 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> Weather report.....
> Just as I was contemplating David's lucid imprecations re
> Christian
> attitudes to sandals....ie shaking the dust of the same.......I
> espied
> Estonian House!
> Yes and a sign was signing to me(and others)
> It said....HALL FOR SALE...I said to myself Capital! ..in lower
> case
> letters...and guess what?
> You already did....there was a mobile phone number there with
> that
> too......I rang that number.....guess what no answer!
> This Hall was once ...some day before 1969....when I came to
> West Brunwick a
> Cinema.
> It is larger ..better sited....a tramstop at the front
> door...on Melville
> Rd.has great facilities (I think!) and would be admirably
> suitable for
> us....AND NO CHRISTIANS!
> Awaiting............Estonian talking over a phone.
> love Jeff
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May 18 09:32:40 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:32:40 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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   A Fairy Meadow Limmer.

There was a St Bernard called Huan
Mikhail met the large dog on the run.
The St Bernard thought Mikhail was learne'd
After speaking of things Tolkien turne'd
But had a dog of a time
When talking in ryhme,
For Mihkail was prose-only concerne'd.

by jeff



On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Just returned from the RSPCA walk at Fairy Meadow (yes - it's a real
> place).
> I met a St Bernard called Huan!
>
> Jeff,
>
> Sounds good although we don't want to buy the hall. Just use it for a day.
> :-)
>
> Michael
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2009 9:53 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>  > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> >
> > Weather report.....
> > Just as I was contemplating David's lucid imprecations re
> > Christian
> > attitudes to sandals....ie shaking the dust of the same.......I
> > espied
> > Estonian House!
> > Yes and a sign was signing to me(and others)
> > It said....HALL FOR SALE...I said to myself Capital! ..in lower
> > case
> > letters...and guess what?
> > You already did....there was a mobile phone number there with
> > that
> > too......I rang that number.....guess what no answer!
> > This Hall was once ...some day before 1969....when I came to
> > West Brunwick a
> > Cinema.
> > It is larger ..better sited....a tramstop at the front
> > door...on Melville
> > Rd.has great facilities (I think!) and would be admirably
> > suitable for
> > us....AND NO CHRISTIANS!
> > Awaiting............Estonian talking over a phone.
> > love Jeff
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May 18 09:39:30 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 09:39:30 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <39CE25F8FE894BEBB2A7E3629773A37F@Michael>
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No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
re Estonian Hall.....

Estonians? What do they look like?
Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
Name four famous Estonians.

An Estonian joke...by me.

Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled "Waiting for
Godot.'
The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this play?'
The second says....
 'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
jeff
ps that's a v existential joke eh?

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 19 06:58:31 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 13:58:31 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <521107.49190.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It occupies a surface of 159.2?km2 (61.5?sq?mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants live. It is situated on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the Gulf of Finland, 80?km (50?mi) south of Helsinki.

- Wikipedia

Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.

--- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
re Estonian Hall.....

Estonians? What do they look like?
Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
Name four famous Estonians.

An Estonian joke...by me.

Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled "Waiting for
Godot.'
The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this play?'
The second says....
 'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
jeff
ps that's a v existential joke eh?




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 19 09:33:56 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 09:33:56 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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I'm Tallinn you
......
Matt rang!
Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500 bucks for their
hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i intend to go
to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a brunnie story
if ever there was)
and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep in touch with
Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall of University
everything.
And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather report.so stick
it!
jeff
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It occupies a surface
> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants live. It is situated
> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the Gulf of Finland,
> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
>
> - Wikipedia
>
> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
>
> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> re Estonian Hall.....
>
> Estonians? What do they look like?
> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> Name four famous Estonians.
>
> An Estonian joke...by me.
>
> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled "Waiting for
> Godot.'
> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this play?'
> The second says....
>  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> jeff
> ps that's a v existential joke eh?
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 19 12:55:30 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 19:55:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <225387.34502.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I agree with Jeff. That's too much unless they throw in dancing girls. Not sure it's worth it even then. Please carry on, Jeff.

--- On Tue, 19/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:



I'm Tallinn you
......
Matt rang!
Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500 bucks for their
hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i intend to go
to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a brunnie story
if ever there was)
and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will? keep in touch with
Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall of University
everything.
And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather report.so stick
it!
jeff



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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 19 15:59:21 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2009 22:59:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <905705.93531.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael. I + wife, daughter and daughter's dogs (2), were at the Million Paws walk in Katoomba. I didn't see anything Tolkienish that I noticed. 

Did Huan give you a snort of brandy? If the original Huan had a keg of brandy strapped to its neck I doubt that Beren and Luthien would have made it to Angband. :)

More about fairies anon.

--- On Sun, 17/5/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


Just returned from the RSPCA walk at Fairy Meadow (yes - it's a real place).
I met a St Bernard called Huan! 





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed May 20 09:27:07 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 09:27:07 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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Yep und I did!...Carry on...the Indian /Afghan shop had a sign too...reading
in English BACK SOON ..not in Hindi..nor in Urdu...NO Sanskrit or in any
kinda lingo that Pathan tribes might do...I left.

In my head now I'm wrtiting

'In a Parlance Most  Passing Strange'

Spangled all over the high and bloodstained
Parapets, were streamed weird, uncanny banners.
Writ in what they told me then was Sanskrit
All like swords and curlicues they seemed,
I wot that if it be spoken  t'would be in sounded
In a parlance that was most passing strange.

jeff lynch (wednesday...9.23 am)

( i've a notion to write a 500 line poem on the subject...wot say Ted?)
On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I agree with Jeff. That's too much unless they throw in dancing girls. Not
> sure it's worth it even then. Please carry on, Jeff.
>
> --- On Tue, 19/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I'm Tallinn you
> ......
> Matt rang!
> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500 bucks for their
> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i intend to go
> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a brunnie
> story
> if ever there was)
> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep in touch with
> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall of University
> everything.
> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather report.so
> stick
> it!
> jeff
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed May 20 11:20:29 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 18:20:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <810374.8382.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

How about a sonnet? It'll save you 486 lines.

Shall I compare thee to a Melbourne fog?
Thou'rt more confusing also more obscure...
.
.
.
.
.
As long as breweries brew and drinkers drink
So long lives this though it's a waste of ink.

(which is why it's enshrined in email)


Or a limerick? Or a Clerihew? Or a haiku?

--- On Wed, 20/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Yep und I did!...Carry on...the Indian /Afghan shop had a sign too...reading
in English BACK SOON ..not in Hindi..nor in Urdu...NO Sanskrit or in any
kinda lingo that Pathan tribes might do...I left.

In my head now I'm wrtiting

'In a Parlance Most? Passing Strange'

Spangled all over the high and bloodstained
Parapets, were streamed weird, uncanny banners.
Writ in what they told me then was Sanskrit
All like swords and curlicues they seemed,
I wot that if it be spoken? t'would be in sounded
In a parlance that was most passing strange.

jeff lynch (wednesday...9.23 am)

( i've a notion to write a 500 line poem on the subject...wot say Ted?)




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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed May 20 14:22:41 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:22:41 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905181633w20db5382ye8048beb56cab55@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5CA952DFF0924EDB877DE1D78BF134B4@Michael>

$500! Those Estonians know how to charge. The Writers' Centre in Sydney
charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV equipment but total
cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought. Where is the
Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at least they would be
experienced in the area of conference-style days. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> I'm Tallinn you
> ......
> Matt rang!
> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500
> bucks for their
> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i
> intend to go
> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a
> brunnie story
> if ever there was)
> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep in
> touch with
> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall
> of University
> everything.
> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather
> report.so stick
> it!
> jeff
> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
> occupies a surface
> > of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants live.
> It is situated
> > on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
> Gulf of Finland,
> > 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
> >
> > - Wikipedia
> >
> > Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> > re Estonian Hall.....
> >
> > Estonians? What do they look like?
> > Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> > Name four famous Estonians.
> >
> > An Estonian joke...by me.
> >
> > Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled
> "Waiting for
> > Godot.'
> > The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this
> play?'
> > The second says....
> >  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> > jeff
> > ps that's a v existential joke eh?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> Enter now.
> >
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed May 20 14:23:42 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:23:42 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <905705.93531.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A49988BE81574860AB6A27DA0D5F7EFF@Michael>

Or if they did they would have really put on a show for Morgoth.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 3:59 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> Hi Michael. I + wife, daughter and daughter's dogs (2), were at
> the Million Paws walk in Katoomba. I didn't see anything
> Tolkienish that I noticed.
> 
> Did Huan give you a snort of brandy? If the original Huan had a
> keg of brandy strapped to its neck I doubt that Beren and
> Luthien would have made it to Angband. :)
> 
> More about fairies anon.
> 
> --- On Sun, 17/5/09, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> Just returned from the RSPCA walk at Fairy Meadow (yes - it's a
> real place).
> I met a St Bernard called Huan!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed May 20 14:24:34 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 14:24:34 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905171632i18bcf782q5c3fcc43f907695c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F335B13062DC47B2AD2109844BAB24BD@Michael>

You must have been there Jeff! Was that you walking the Schnausers?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Monday, 18 May 2009 9:33 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
>    A Fairy Meadow Limmer.
> 
> There was a St Bernard called Huan
> Mikhail met the large dog on the run.
> The St Bernard thought Mikhail was learne'd
> After speaking of things Tolkien turne'd
> But had a dog of a time
> When talking in ryhme,
> For Mihkail was prose-only concerne'd.
> 
> by jeff
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, May 17, 2009 at 11:31 AM, Michael Kennedy
> <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> > Just returned from the RSPCA walk at Fairy Meadow (yes - it's
> a real
> > place).
> > I met a St Bernard called Huan!
> >
> > Jeff,
> >
> > Sounds good although we don't want to buy the hall. Just use
> it for a day.
> > :-)
> >
> > Michael
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > Sent: Sunday, 17 May 2009 9:53 AM
> > > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> >  > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> > >
> > > Weather report.....
> > > Just as I was contemplating David's lucid imprecations re
> > > Christian
> > > attitudes to sandals....ie shaking the dust of the
> same.......I
> > > espied
> > > Estonian House!
> > > Yes and a sign was signing to me(and others)
> > > It said....HALL FOR SALE...I said to myself Capital! ..in
> lower
> > > case
> > > letters...and guess what?
> > > You already did....there was a mobile phone number there
> with
> > > that
> > > too......I rang that number.....guess what no answer!
> > > This Hall was once ...some day before 1969....when I came
> to
> > > West Brunwick a
> > > Cinema.
> > > It is larger ..better sited....a tramstop at the front
> > > door...on Melville
> > > Rd.has great facilities (I think!) and would be admirably
> > > suitable for
> > > us....AND NO CHRISTIANS!
> > > Awaiting............Estonian talking over a phone.
> > > love Jeff
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed May 20 16:57:35 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 20 May 2009 16:57:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <5CA952DFF0924EDB877DE1D78BF134B4@Michael>
References: <5CA952DFF0924EDB877DE1D78BF134B4@Michael>
Message-ID: <4A13A9DF.6040601@roots-boots.net>

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> $500! Those Estonians know how to charge.

What do you expect ... communists turned capitalists .. nothing more 
fervent than a convert!

cheers,
David

  The Writers' Centre in Sydney
> charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV equipment but total
> cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought. Where is the
> Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at least they would be
> experienced in the area of conference-style days. 
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
>> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
>>
>> I'm Tallinn you
>> ......
>> Matt rang!
>> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500
>> bucks for their
>> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
>> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i
>> intend to go
>> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a
>> brunnie story
>> if ever there was)
>> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep in
>> touch with
>> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall
>> of University
>> everything.
>> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
>> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather
>> report.so stick
>> it!
>> jeff
>> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
>> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
>> occupies a surface
>>> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants live.
>> It is situated
>>> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
>> Gulf of Finland,
>>> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
>>>
>>> - Wikipedia
>>>
>>> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
>>>
>>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
>>> re Estonian Hall.....
>>>
>>> Estonians? What do they look like?
>>> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
>>> Name four famous Estonians.
>>>
>>> An Estonian joke...by me.
>>>
>>> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled
>> "Waiting for
>>> Godot.'
>>> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this
>> play?'
>>> The second says....
>>>  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
>>> jeff
>>> ps that's a v existential joke eh?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice.
>> Enter now.
>> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MT
>> MEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob
>> 28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--
>> /SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creative
>> holidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26
>> p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu May 21 09:10:26 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 21 May 2009 09:10:26 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <810374.8382.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <810374.8382.qm@web110211.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905201610n17625ebdxbfcb2d11be8749e6@mail.gmail.com>

Now Ted et al.......
After having facing the warlike and awkwardly race hating Orcs of Academia
and their most savage wars of conquest for territories...blood strewn
battlefields (and they do not take prisoners.....many a head and and a don
fallen off here..... both seen and obscene ....like a mandrake screaming
somewhere in academia...the horror ...the horror....the horror.....(THE
REASON WHY WE CANNOT BE SURE OF DR WILLS' ROOMS)

.... and the distant undercurrents of a Vicus character hidden in his lousy
hairshirted lair too long for me to even threaten to grapple with the
Paulian Christo-beast.......having jousted a liitle with the Greedy Dwarwes
of Cavernous Estonian Halls...and being banned by mysterious signs (albeit
in English on the Pathan's caveway.)...There is nowt to it but to confront
at last the ....the Last Bastion of Sinner Road........Big Bad and Ugly
Brunnie Town Hall.
Yep it's the Halls of Last Resort.....Socialist Giant's be there!
This morn so like Jimpy I go, almost naked mit a wooden sword (agin in a
Fog).......... to that darkdire and most totaltaxing place
folks'......Brunswick Town Hall here I
come...............zooooommmmmmmmmmmmm.

PLease sir...but do you have a hall for hire...for a paltry sum?.......errr
the Hobbits will love you if you have!
love jeff

On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 11:20 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> How about a sonnet? It'll save you 486 lines.
>
> Shall I compare thee to a Melbourne fog?
> Thou'rt more confusing also more obscure...
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> As long as breweries brew and drinkers drink
> So long lives this though it's a waste of ink.
>
> (which is why it's enshrined in email)
>
>
> Or a limerick? Or a Clerihew? Or a haiku?
>
> --- On Wed, 20/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yep und I did!...Carry on...the Indian /Afghan shop had a sign
> too...reading
> in English BACK SOON ..not in Hindi..nor in Urdu...NO Sanskrit or in any
> kinda lingo that Pathan tribes might do...I left.
>
> In my head now I'm wrtiting
>
> 'In a Parlance Most  Passing Strange'
>
> Spangled all over the high and bloodstained
> Parapets, were streamed weird, uncanny banners.
> Writ in what they told me then was Sanskrit
> All like swords and curlicues they seemed,
> I wot that if it be spoken  t'would be in sounded
> In a parlance that was most passing strange.
>
> jeff lynch (wednesday...9.23 am)
>
> ( i've a notion to write a 500 line poem on the subject...wot say Ted?)
>
>
>
>
>       Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice. Enter now.
> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MTMEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--/SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creativeholidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat May 23 09:24:37 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 09:24:37 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <4A13A9DF.6040601@roots-boots.net>
References: <5CA952DFF0924EDB877DE1D78BF134B4@Michael>
	<4A13A9DF.6040601@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905221624m74253cbes169cf081b8fd146e@mail.gmail.com>

wELL SAID dAVY!
Now sit up and pay attention......

RE the Symposium.
I've a distinct possibility for a Hall...........
I do(still) wish to hold it under the umbrella of MS Wills...er der dr.( @
Melb Uni)
But if that is not possible and we know we need a fixed fixture.....I might
be onto a fine idea.
IT IS NOT IN BRUNSWICK BUT NOT SO FAR AWAY.
They quoted just150 for the day (dollare) But I reckon that when I see the
MAN.....he is likely to ask less( Buddy contacts)..............150 was
quoted (a day) tho' and tea and all tea and coffee thrown in
even if we was to supply milk etc....nothing was said of this....
....A train station lies outside it's door; 60 paces I'd say...no more than.
 (3 stops after Essendon).......
 it lies by the Tullamarine Freeway and Pascoe Vale Road...both fine ways to
drive..either from town or from the airport (TULLA) and it's but four/five
minutes drive from my place (West Brunswick).
It's at Pascoe Vale...und that is the name of the train station
too.....the room is the function room of The Pascoe Vale Hotel....not used
by others.

It's away from the boozing parts...has a double door closed and the room
juts out away again from the rest of the complex.....food is
available.....as in sit down or bar meal for lunch so folks could decide to
bring a sandwich or just walk a few paces to sit down to lunch...my lady
(DB) says that food there was (once) legendary; but we have no info of
recent times........If  folks got sick of sitting in the room the lounge
chaired lobby is directly outside the rooms doors....you could relax there!
It's a large an airy lobby space.

There is acess (from the room itself) to toilets so if any body was at all
squeamish about walking about in a pub  they need not......it's an internal
approach to the loos.( 2by M and F)

The room is light and airy..looks fine and dandy.
One could seat 38 to 48 folks at a pinch 51.  I was told that there are
oodles of chairs.....It is not an overly large room but I like it ....NO
NEED FOR A BLOODY PA SYSTEM.
Just a littler voice-works.
Drawbacks...It 's in a pub! maybe some think like that.
Might worry a soldier or two.
If we need space for a 100 it would not do.
Summary ......an easier place to acess from town than most in
Brunswick.......by train it's a doddle....perfect.
 A large sideboard on the side of the room is equipped with the coffe and
tea urn etc....(they threw that in!) ....and a double sink as I remember.

Summary. By train this place is a doddle........easier acess than most
Brunswick venues...cheap! and without any threat of the university system..
.....Room is available.
By car from airport or city the same...Freeway or main road take your pick!
one hundred and (less I reckon ) than fifty dollars.
We can cop that.
Please Consult!
love Jeff





On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > $500! Those Estonians know how to charge.
>
> What do you expect ... communists turned capitalists .. nothing more
> fervent than a convert!
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>  The Writers' Centre in Sydney
> > charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV equipment but total
> > cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought. Where is the
> > Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at least they would
> be
> > experienced in the area of conference-style days.
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> >> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
> >> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> >> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> >>
> >> I'm Tallinn you
> >> ......
> >> Matt rang!
> >> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge 500
> >> bucks for their
> >> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look pretty?
> >> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the same i
> >> intend to go
> >> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their Keeper..( a
> >> brunnie story
> >> if ever there was)
> >> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep in
> >> touch with
> >> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and Fall
> >> of University
> >> everything.
> >> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> >> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the weather
> >> report.so stick
> >> it!
> >> jeff
> >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
> >> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
> >> occupies a surface
> >>> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants live.
> >> It is situated
> >>> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
> >> Gulf of Finland,
> >>> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
> >>>
> >>> - Wikipedia
> >>>
> >>> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
> >>>
> >>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> >>> re Estonian Hall.....
> >>>
> >>> Estonians? What do they look like?
> >>> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> >>> Name four famous Estonians.
> >>>
> >>> An Estonian joke...by me.
> >>>
> >>> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was titled
> >> "Waiting for
> >>> Godot.'
> >>> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in this
> >> play?'
> >>> The second says....
> >>>  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> >>> jeff
> >>> ps that's a v existential joke eh?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>      Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice.
> >> Enter now.
> >> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MT
> >> MEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob
> >> 28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--
> >> /SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creative
> >> holidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May 24 09:30:26 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 24 May 2009 09:30:26 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <65162.98194.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <65162.98194.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905231630k445d71a0q8bd0a037b78bd2a2@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
letter(s).
This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.

No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is surely
worth minus 150 I reckon.

I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most easily
take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but 5
or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/  78 Pearson Street West
Brunswick.
jeff

From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 24 09:32:22 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 16:32:22 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <610938.14549.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more accurate feedback. lol.
?
Elise

--- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM


Dear all,
Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
letter(s).
This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.

No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is surely
worth minus 150 I reckon.

I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most easily
take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but 5
or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/? 78 Pearson Street West
Brunswick.
jeff
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon May 25 09:35:18 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 09:35:18 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <610938.14549.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <610938.14549.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905241635x7bdec7afo5fa4eff5ef968067@mail.gmail.com>

No letter Dear Dryad,
 ...only verbals so far...today I contact Rocky....not Rocky Raccoon...if I
tie the knot I will forward you all pertinent and impertinent
materials...From Sinney Road Sunnie Brunnie
love jeff

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more
> accurate feedback. lol.
>
> Elise
>
> --- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM
>
>
> Dear all,
> Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
> Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
> This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
> I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
> letter(s).
> This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.
>
> No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is
> surely
> worth minus 150 I reckon.
>
> I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
> and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
> Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most easily
> take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but 5
> or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/  78 Pearson Street West
> Brunswick.
> jeff
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
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>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon May 25 11:44:52 2009
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 11:44:52 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905241635x7bdec7afo5fa4eff5ef968067@mail.gmail.com>
References: <610938.14549.qm@web24614.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
	<ecc18000905241635x7bdec7afo5fa4eff5ef968067@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20090525114452.40jrpqg928kscks8@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> No letter Dear Dryad,
>  ...only verbals so far...today I contact Rocky....not Rocky Raccoon...if I
> tie the knot I will forward you all pertinent and impertinent
> materials...From Sinney Road Sunnie Brunnie

Tie the knot? Don't tell me you are marrying dear Rocky? :)

cheers,
David

> love jeff
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more
>> accurate feedback. lol.
>>
>> Elise
>>
>> --- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
>> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
>> Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM
>>
>>
>> Dear all,
>> Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
>> Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
>> This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
>> I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
>> letter(s).
>> This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.
>>
>> No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is
>> surely
>> worth minus 150 I reckon.
>>
>> I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
>> and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
>> Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most easily
>> take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but 5
>> or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/  78 Pearson Street West
>> Brunswick.
>> jeff
>> _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
>> List at tolharndor.org
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> List at tolharndor.org
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>>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon May 25 20:25:52 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 20:25:52 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905221624m74253cbes169cf081b8fd146e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0D92C7A96314CB190E3D5BF4FDD5872@Michael>

Nice work Special Agent Lynch! Your mission...if you choose to accept it....

It all sounds promising! I definitely want to 'fix' a venue and a date. Even
the name is quaint. Pascoe Vale, or if you prefer another letter arrangement
('A love place').


According to the website the function room can seat 60, or stand 100! 

Jeff - if you think its suitable then so do I. Let me know if you want to
book it.

Michael

PS. I'll be away in the NT for about ten days from Wednesday just in case
your looking for me! 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2009 9:25 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> wELL SAID dAVY!
> Now sit up and pay attention......
> 
> RE the Symposium.
> I've a distinct possibility for a Hall...........
> I do(still) wish to hold it under the umbrella of MS Wills...er
> der dr.( @
> Melb Uni)
> But if that is not possible and we know we need a fixed
> fixture.....I might
> be onto a fine idea.
> IT IS NOT IN BRUNSWICK BUT NOT SO FAR AWAY.
> They quoted just150 for the day (dollare) But I reckon that
> when I see the
> MAN.....he is likely to ask less( Buddy
> contacts)..............150 was
> quoted (a day) tho' and tea and all tea and coffee thrown in
> even if we was to supply milk etc....nothing was said of
> this....
> ....A train station lies outside it's door; 60 paces I'd
> say...no more than.
>  (3 stops after Essendon).......
>  it lies by the Tullamarine Freeway and Pascoe Vale Road...both
> fine ways to
> drive..either from town or from the airport (TULLA) and it's
> but four/five
> minutes drive from my place (West Brunswick).
> It's at Pascoe Vale...und that is the name of the train station
> too.....the room is the function room of The Pascoe Vale
> Hotel....not used
> by others.
> 
> It's away from the boozing parts...has a double door closed and
> the room
> juts out away again from the rest of the complex.....food is
> available.....as in sit down or bar meal for lunch so folks
> could decide to
> bring a sandwich or just walk a few paces to sit down to
> lunch...my lady
> (DB) says that food there was (once) legendary; but we have no
> info of
> recent times........If  folks got sick of sitting in the room
> the lounge
> chaired lobby is directly outside the rooms doors....you could
> relax there!
> It's a large an airy lobby space.
> 
> There is acess (from the room itself) to toilets so if any body
> was at all
> squeamish about walking about in a pub  they need not......it's
> an internal
> approach to the loos.( 2by M and F)
> 
> The room is light and airy..looks fine and dandy.
> One could seat 38 to 48 folks at a pinch 51.  I was told that
> there are
> oodles of chairs.....It is not an overly large room but I like
> it ....NO
> NEED FOR A BLOODY PA SYSTEM.
> Just a littler voice-works.
> Drawbacks...It 's in a pub! maybe some think like that.
> Might worry a soldier or two.
> If we need space for a 100 it would not do.
> Summary ......an easier place to acess from town than most in
> Brunswick.......by train it's a doddle....perfect.
>  A large sideboard on the side of the room is equipped with the
> coffe and
> tea urn etc....(they threw that in!) ....and a double sink as I
> remember.
> 
> Summary. By train this place is a doddle........easier acess
> than most
> Brunswick venues...cheap! and without any threat of the
> university system..
> .....Room is available.
> By car from airport or city the same...Freeway or main road
> take your pick!
> one hundred and (less I reckon ) than fifty dollars.
> We can cop that.
> Please Consult!
> love Jeff
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-
> boots.net> wrote:
> 
> > Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > $500! Those Estonians know how to charge.
> >
> > What do you expect ... communists turned capitalists ..
> nothing more
> > fervent than a convert!
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
> >
> >  The Writers' Centre in Sydney
> > > charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV
> equipment but total
> > > cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought.
> Where is the
> > > Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at
> least they would
> > be
> > > experienced in the area of conference-style days.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > >> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
> > >> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > >> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> > >>
> > >> I'm Tallinn you
> > >> ......
> > >> Matt rang!
> > >> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge
> 500
> > >> bucks for their
> > >> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look
> pretty?
> > >> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the
> same i
> > >> intend to go
> > >> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their
> Keeper..( a
> > >> brunnie story
> > >> if ever there was)
> > >> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep
> in
> > >> touch with
> > >> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and
> Fall
> > >> of University
> > >> everything.
> > >> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> > >> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the
> weather
> > >> report.so stick
> > >> it!
> > >> jeff
> > >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
> > >> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
> > >> occupies a surface
> > >>> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants
> live.
> > >> It is situated
> > >>> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
> > >> Gulf of Finland,
> > >>> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
> > >>>
> > >>> - Wikipedia
> > >>>
> > >>> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
> > >>>
> > >>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> > >>> re Estonian Hall.....
> > >>>
> > >>> Estonians? What do they look like?
> > >>> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> > >>> Name four famous Estonians.
> > >>>
> > >>> An Estonian joke...by me.
> > >>>
> > >>> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was
> titled
> > >> "Waiting for
> > >>> Godot.'
> > >>> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in
> this
> > >> play?'
> > >>> The second says....
> > >>>  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> > >>> jeff
> > >>> ps that's a v existential joke eh?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>      Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice.
> > >> Enter now.
> > >>
> http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MT
> > >>
> MEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob
> > >> 28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--
> > >>
> /SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creative
> > >>
> holidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26
> > >> p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
> > >>>  _______________________________________________
> > >>> List mailing list
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> > >>>
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> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > >
> >
> > --
> > Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history &
> more!
> >      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> > The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be
> for it
> >  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
> its
> >           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> >
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Tue May 26 07:49:42 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 14:49:42 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <294949.67223.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

:)? oh, you. 
?
Elise

--- On Sun, 24/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 7:35 PM


No letter Dear Dryad,
...only verbals so far...today I contact Rocky....not Rocky Raccoon...if I
tie the knot I will forward you all pertinent and impertinent
materials...From Sinney Road Sunnie Brunnie
love jeff

On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more
> accurate feedback. lol.
>
> Elise
>
> --- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM
>
>
> Dear all,
> Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
> Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
> This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
> I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
> letter(s).
> This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.
>
> No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is
> surely
> worth minus 150 I reckon.
>
> I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
> and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
> Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most easily
> take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but 5
> or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/? 78 Pearson Street West
> Brunswick.
> jeff
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 09:24:01 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:24:01 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <D0D92C7A96314CB190E3D5BF4FDD5872@Michael>
References: <ecc18000905221624m74253cbes169cf081b8fd146e@mail.gmail.com>
	<D0D92C7A96314CB190E3D5BF4FDD5872@Michael>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905251624y26ed43f3l80c114168851035e@mail.gmail.com>

You and yoyu anagrams Mikhail ( v good too)...a website..... trust you to
tink o dat....
Well here's what!
Tis morn I vill see Rocky face to...
I spoke to him (on phone)  and he offered it to me for 130...Brunnie
dealing.....I will ask him for more details but once more I was told that
this price 130 would mean that coffee and tea would be (so to speak) thrown
in....meals tho' available come from ya pocket..almost naturally.
Now I have to give the man 200 dolars deposit No probs for this poor old Age
pensioner in Melb can suffer while all these fat cats in Sydney and Florida,
Woolongong and der blue hills never ebding story...... just sit in their big
fat arses (fannies)...Dryad!
Sooo.....I will pay the 200 deposit in days or say at least under a week to
Rocky....this will hold 27th August 2010 for us.

He won't I think...ask for the 130 payment proper just yet....and that about
wraps it.......repeat   it is almost a model to get to from Sydney
..overseas or from Melb CBD....
Tulla Freeway...Pasoe Vale Road or by Rail.......remember I said that P V
rail station is but 75.5 metres (or yards or multiples of feet...inches
....err etc, etc, etc.)........5 minutes from Jeff's joint.

Yesterday DB and I saw an ad in the local paper expounding the magnificent
and cheap meals at the Hotel.......it's good isn't it?
love jeff aka 007
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Nice work Special Agent Lynch! Your mission...if you choose to accept
> it....
>
> It all sounds promising! I definitely want to 'fix' a venue and a date.
> Even
> the name is quaint. Pascoe Vale, or if you prefer another letter
> arrangement
> ('A love place').
>
>
> According to the website the function room can seat 60, or stand 100!
>
> Jeff - if you think its suitable then so do I. Let me know if you want to
> book it.
>
> Michael
>
> PS. I'll be away in the NT for about ten days from Wednesday just in case
> your looking for me!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>  > Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2009 9:25 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> >
> > wELL SAID dAVY!
> > Now sit up and pay attention......
> >
> > RE the Symposium.
> > I've a distinct possibility for a Hall...........
> > I do(still) wish to hold it under the umbrella of MS Wills...er
> > der dr.( @
> > Melb Uni)
> > But if that is not possible and we know we need a fixed
> > fixture.....I might
> > be onto a fine idea.
> > IT IS NOT IN BRUNSWICK BUT NOT SO FAR AWAY.
> > They quoted just150 for the day (dollare) But I reckon that
> > when I see the
> > MAN.....he is likely to ask less( Buddy
> > contacts)..............150 was
> > quoted (a day) tho' and tea and all tea and coffee thrown in
> > even if we was to supply milk etc....nothing was said of
> > this....
> > ....A train station lies outside it's door; 60 paces I'd
> > say...no more than.
> >  (3 stops after Essendon).......
> >  it lies by the Tullamarine Freeway and Pascoe Vale Road...both
> > fine ways to
> > drive..either from town or from the airport (TULLA) and it's
> > but four/five
> > minutes drive from my place (West Brunswick).
> > It's at Pascoe Vale...und that is the name of the train station
> > too.....the room is the function room of The Pascoe Vale
> > Hotel....not used
> > by others.
> >
> > It's away from the boozing parts...has a double door closed and
> > the room
> > juts out away again from the rest of the complex.....food is
> > available.....as in sit down or bar meal for lunch so folks
> > could decide to
> > bring a sandwich or just walk a few paces to sit down to
> > lunch...my lady
> > (DB) says that food there was (once) legendary; but we have no
> > info of
> > recent times........If  folks got sick of sitting in the room
> > the lounge
> > chaired lobby is directly outside the rooms doors....you could
> > relax there!
> > It's a large an airy lobby space.
> >
> > There is acess (from the room itself) to toilets so if any body
> > was at all
> > squeamish about walking about in a pub  they need not......it's
> > an internal
> > approach to the loos.( 2by M and F)
> >
> > The room is light and airy..looks fine and dandy.
> > One could seat 38 to 48 folks at a pinch 51.  I was told that
> > there are
> > oodles of chairs.....It is not an overly large room but I like
> > it ....NO
> > NEED FOR A BLOODY PA SYSTEM.
> > Just a littler voice-works.
> > Drawbacks...It 's in a pub! maybe some think like that.
> > Might worry a soldier or two.
> > If we need space for a 100 it would not do.
> > Summary ......an easier place to acess from town than most in
> > Brunswick.......by train it's a doddle....perfect.
> >  A large sideboard on the side of the room is equipped with the
> > coffe and
> > tea urn etc....(they threw that in!) ....and a double sink as I
> > remember.
> >
> > Summary. By train this place is a doddle........easier acess
> > than most
> > Brunswick venues...cheap! and without any threat of the
> > university system..
> > .....Room is available.
> > By car from airport or city the same...Freeway or main road
> > take your pick!
> > one hundred and (less I reckon ) than fifty dollars.
> > We can cop that.
> > Please Consult!
> > love Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-
> > boots.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > > $500! Those Estonians know how to charge.
> > >
> > > What do you expect ... communists turned capitalists ..
> > nothing more
> > > fervent than a convert!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > David
> > >
> > >  The Writers' Centre in Sydney
> > > > charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV
> > equipment but total
> > > > cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought.
> > Where is the
> > > > Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at
> > least they would
> > > be
> > > > experienced in the area of conference-style days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > >> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
> > > >> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > >> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm Tallinn you
> > > >> ......
> > > >> Matt rang!
> > > >> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge
> > 500
> > > >> bucks for their
> > > >> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look
> > pretty?
> > > >> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the
> > same i
> > > >> intend to go
> > > >> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their
> > Keeper..( a
> > > >> brunnie story
> > > >> if ever there was)
> > > >> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will  keep
> > in
> > > >> touch with
> > > >> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and
> > Fall
> > > >> of University
> > > >> everything.
> > > >> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> > > >> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the
> > weather
> > > >> report.so stick
> > > >> it!
> > > >> jeff
> > > >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
> > > >> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
> > > >> occupies a surface
> > > >>> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants
> > live.
> > > >> It is situated
> > > >>> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
> > > >> Gulf of Finland,
> > > >>> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - Wikipedia
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> > > >>> re Estonian Hall.....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Estonians? What do they look like?
> > > >>> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> > > >>> Name four famous Estonians.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> An Estonian joke...by me.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was
> > titled
> > > >> "Waiting for
> > > >>> Godot.'
> > > >>> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in
> > this
> > > >> play?'
> > > >>> The second says....
> > > >>>  'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> > > >>> jeff
> > > >>> ps that's a v existential joke eh?
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>      Need a Holiday? Win a $10,000 Holiday of your choice.
> > > >> Enter now.
> > > >>
> > http://us.lrd.yahoo.com/_ylc=X3oDMTJxN2x2ZmNpBF9zAzIwMjM2MTY2MT
> > > >>
> > MEdG1fZG1lY2gDVGV4dCBMaW5rBHRtX2xuawNVMTEwMzk3NwR0bV9uZXQDWWFob
> > > >> 28hBHRtX3BvcwN0YWdsaW5lBHRtX3BwdHkDYXVueg--
> > > >>
> > /SIG=14600t3ni/**http%3A//au.rd.yahoo.com/mail/tagline/creative
> > > >>
> > holidays/*http%3A//au.docs.yahoo.com/homepageset/%3Fp1=other%26
> > > >> p2=au%26p3=mailtagline
> > > >>>  _______________________________________________
> > > >>> List mailing list
> > > >>> List at tolharndor.org
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> > > >>>
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > List mailing list
> > > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history &
> > more!
> > >      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> > > The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be
> > for it
> > >  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
> > its
> > >           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
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> > >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 09:28:34 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:28:34 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <294949.67223.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <294949.67223.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905251628ic3b589bwdf314d74d4592540@mail.gmail.com>

Hey ya Floridian flower power person of a professor...I book the Pascoe Vale
joint today.
Michael has agreed to it so ve hear and obey...even an anachist (kinda) like
me me does wot he says...............
He's also found the joint's website....as he would.
So it will all fall into place
love jeff

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:49 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> :)  oh, you.
>
> Elise
>
> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 7:35 PM
>
>
> No letter Dear Dryad,
> ...only verbals so far...today I contact Rocky....not Rocky Raccoon...if I
> tie the knot I will forward you all pertinent and impertinent
> materials...From Sinney Road Sunnie Brunnie
> love jeff
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more
> > accurate feedback. lol.
> >
> > Elise
> >
> > --- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> > To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> > Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> > Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
> > Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
> > This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
> > I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
> > letter(s).
> > This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.
> >
> > No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is
> > surely
> > worth minus 150 I reckon.
> >
> > I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
> > and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
> > Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most
> easily
> > take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but
> 5
> > or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/  78 Pearson Street West
> > Brunswick.
> > jeff
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> >
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 09:31:41 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 09:31:41 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <294949.67223.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <294949.67223.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905251631p6169552bhbd5bda9c5e368a81@mail.gmail.com>

Dear flower power professor.
This day I book the Pascoe Vale Room.
Michael agrees it is a fine enough idea...and he is rarely inncorrect in the
overall totallity of all possible probabilities .....you see plainly what I
mean here.
love jeff

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 7:49 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> :)  oh, you.
>
> Elise
>
> --- On Sun, 24/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Sunday, 24 May, 2009, 7:35 PM
>
>
> No letter Dear Dryad,
> ...only verbals so far...today I contact Rocky....not Rocky Raccoon...if I
> tie the knot I will forward you all pertinent and impertinent
> materials...From Sinney Road Sunnie Brunnie
>  love jeff
>
> On Sun, May 24, 2009 at 9:32 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > Sounds good, but it might help to attach said Pascoe letter, for more
> > accurate feedback. lol.
> >
> > Elise
> >
> > --- On Sat, 23/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
> > To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> > Date: Saturday, 23 May, 2009, 7:30 PM
> >
> >
> > Dear all,
> > Here's what I intend to do....re hall.
> > Tomorrow I will attempt to speak with Dr S. Wills.
> > This will (possibly) alert me to the future of Melb Uni situation......
> > I am inclined to book the Pascoe Vale Hotel private room.see previous
> > letter(s).
> > This will be at a price (I hope) under 150 dollars.
> >
> > No matter what happens with Melb we will have a (the) room....that is
> > surely
> > worth minus 150 I reckon.
> >
> > I want you all to read my Pascoe Vale letter.....
> > and to give me feedback if you wish..sooooo that's about it then.
> > Soon if we have the PV room I will send you details ....I could most
> easily
> > take 3or 4 people to this place in my car....as I told you afore it's but
> 5
> > or less minutes from my apartment in Unit2/  78 Pearson Street West
> > Brunswick.
> > jeff
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 26 11:00:27 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:00:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <353308.61189.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

"totallity of all possible probabilities"? That has a definite flavour of Voltaire about it. Tell me, Jeff, if Queenslanders are cane toads and New South Welshmen are cockroaches, what are Victorians? 

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


Dear flower power professor.
This day I book the Pascoe Vale Room.
Michael agrees it is a fine enough idea...and he is rarely inncorrect in the
overall totallity of all possible probabilities .....you see plainly what I
mean here.
love jeff





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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 26 11:01:54 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:01:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
Message-ID: <539461.17894.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Now this one smacks of Damon Runyon!

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


Hey ya Floridian flower power person of a professor...I book the Pascoe Vale
joint today.
Michael has agreed to it so ve hear and obey...even an anachist (kinda) like
me me does wot he says...............
He's also found the joint's website....as he would.
So it will all fall into place
love jeff





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From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue May 26 11:13:58 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 25 May 2009 18:13:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <417177.71338.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Sorry to be a party pooper but I can't make "a love place" out of "Pascoe Vale". There are two "L"s in "a love place" and only one in "Pascoe Vale"; there is an "s" in Pascoe Vale but no "s" in "a love place" ...

Oh. I get it!? He meant "a love space". I'm a "space phile" myself.

--- On Tue, 26/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:



You and yoyu anagrams Mikhail ( v good too)...a website..... trust you to
tink o dat....


> Nice work Special Agent Lynch! Your mission...if you choose to accept
> it....
>
> It all sounds promising! I definitely want to 'fix' a venue and a date.
> Even
> the name is quaint. Pascoe Vale, or if you prefer another letter
> arrangement
> ('A love place').




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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue May 26 12:21:28 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 12:21:28 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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   Good pick up Ted. Indeed it should be 'space' not 'place'.?

   I'm thinking too that Pascoe Vale would be closer to?Bree than Hobbiton.?

   Quoting Edwin Scribner krenon at y7mail.com[1]:

> Sorry to be a party pooper but I can't make "a love place" out of?  
> "Pascoe Vale". There are two "L"s in "a love place" and only one in?  
> "Pascoe Vale"; there is an "s" in Pascoe Vale but no "s" in "a love?  
> place" ...
>
> Oh. I get it!? He meant "a love space". I'm a "space phile" myself.
>
> --- On Tue, 26/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> You and yoyu anagrams Mikhail ( v good too)...a website..... trust you to
> tink o dat....
>
>
>> Nice work Special Agent Lynch! Your mission...if you choose to accept
>> it....
>>
>> It all sounds promising! I definitely want to 'fix' a venue and a date.
>> Even
>> the name is quaint. Pascoe Vale, or if you prefer another letter
>> arrangement
>> ('A love place').
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 17:51:28 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:51:28 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fw: [Larryniven-l] LOTR fan films
In-Reply-To: <353308.61189.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <353308.61189.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905260051l70025f7bj67fb58a93785584d@mail.gmail.com>

So Voltaire at Last...how long have I waited for Dr Pnagloss to walk in the
room?
Oh and your question?
probably either sluts or USERS mof the same....male ones.......cos that was
waht a lot of victorians were......OK.....I still kinda rule...oh a query?
not an animal? ......WRONG TED!
love jeff

On Tue, May 26, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> "totallity of all possible probabilities"? That has a definite flavour of
> Voltaire about it. Tell me, Jeff, if Queenslanders are cane toads and New
> South Welshmen are cockroaches, what are Victorians?
>
> --- On Tue, 26/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Dear flower power professor.
> This day I book the Pascoe Vale Room.
> Michael agrees it is a fine enough idea...and he is rarely inncorrect in
> the
> overall totallity of all possible probabilities .....you see plainly what I
> mean here.
> love jeff
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue May 26 17:57:53 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 17:57:53 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <210630.26672.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <210630.26672.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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>
> Shut up Ted an listen...........(UP)

I have tied the knot (David)
And next week I will pay the 200 dallares for (a deposit)
..the hall dummies!
And that is what is wot.
I have taken photos!!!!!!
Mikhail has detected a website....FANCYTHAT!...but clever enough for a mere
40 year old.
And I am in contact with the web of managers who control Pacoe Vale Pub.
It's good isn't it?
love jeff
PS sunnie brunnie forever

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed May 27 09:34:14 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 09:34:14 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <20090526122128.6a3hb2owg8k4oggs@webmail.activ8.net.au>
References: <417177.71338.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<20090526122128.6a3hb2owg8k4oggs@webmail.activ8.net.au>
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Pasoe Vale,
Soon I will post a few photos and the like with directions and Geography
lessons for those who are fond of going to there and back again.
Now I had foreshadowed this before but I have unilaterally appointed a
resident artist to the conference..he is to do a 'Major work' which I intend
to advertise during before and if nec.after the conference as being for
sale...IT WILL SELL!..heis a fine painter...and he is to pocket the money
for his troubles......
It will be on a LOTR theme and I intend to use it as a
Background....foreground room piece...the lad's name is Tony.......he is
approx 22 to 24 years old and Tony and his bro run their own panel B's shop
in Sunnie B......THey are SB pals of mine...I was their first customer and
he's a top spray paint ARTISTE........JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE......

From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 27 13:28:30 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Tue, 26 May 2009 20:28:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <605690.78319.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Dear Jeff,
?
fat cat eh? how 'bout struggling teacher? and the gods help me if I have ever 'sat back on my fannie'!? or anyone else's for that matter! mr. pensioner. lol
?
secretly eating bon-bons and drinking daquiris in Florida,
Elise

--- On Mon, 25/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Monday, 25 May, 2009, 7:24 PM


You and yoyu anagrams Mikhail ( v good too)...a website..... trust you to
tink o dat....
Well here's what!
Tis morn I vill see Rocky face to...
I spoke to him (on phone)? and he offered it to me for 130...Brunnie
dealing.....I will ask him for more details but once more I was told that
this price 130 would mean that coffee and tea would be (so to speak) thrown
in....meals tho' available come from ya pocket..almost naturally.
Now I have to give the man 200 dolars deposit No probs for this poor old Age
pensioner in Melb can suffer while all these fat cats in Sydney and Florida,
Woolongong and der blue hills never ebding story...... just sit in their big
fat arses (fannies)...Dryad!
Sooo.....I will pay the 200 deposit in days or say at least under a week to
Rocky....this will hold 27th August 2010 for us.

He won't I think...ask for the 130 payment proper just yet....and that about
wraps it.......repeat???it is almost a model to get to from Sydney
..overseas or from Melb CBD....
Tulla Freeway...Pasoe Vale Road or by Rail.......remember I said that P V
rail station is but 75.5 metres (or yards or multiples of feet...inches
....err etc, etc, etc.)........5 minutes from Jeff's joint.

Yesterday DB and I saw an ad in the local paper expounding the magnificent
and cheap meals at the Hotel.......it's good isn't it?
love jeff aka 007
On Mon, May 25, 2009 at 8:25 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Nice work Special Agent Lynch! Your mission...if you choose to accept
> it....
>
> It all sounds promising! I definitely want to 'fix' a venue and a date.
> Even
> the name is quaint. Pascoe Vale, or if you prefer another letter
> arrangement
> ('A love place').
>
>
> According to the website the function room can seat 60, or stand 100!
>
> Jeff - if you think its suitable then so do I. Let me know if you want to
> book it.
>
> Michael
>
> PS. I'll be away in the NT for about ten days from Wednesday just in case
> your looking for me!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
>? > Sent: Saturday, 23 May 2009 9:25 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> >
> > wELL SAID dAVY!
> > Now sit up and pay attention......
> >
> > RE the Symposium.
> > I've a distinct possibility for a Hall...........
> > I do(still) wish to hold it under the umbrella of MS Wills...er
> > der dr.( @
> > Melb Uni)
> > But if that is not possible and we know we need a fixed
> > fixture.....I might
> > be onto a fine idea.
> > IT IS NOT IN BRUNSWICK BUT NOT SO FAR AWAY.
> > They quoted just150 for the day (dollare) But I reckon that
> > when I see the
> > MAN.....he is likely to ask less( Buddy
> > contacts)..............150 was
> > quoted (a day) tho' and tea and all tea and coffee thrown in
> > even if we was to supply milk etc....nothing was said of
> > this....
> > ....A train station lies outside it's door; 60 paces I'd
> > say...no more than.
> >? (3 stops after Essendon).......
> >? it lies by the Tullamarine Freeway and Pascoe Vale Road...both
> > fine ways to
> > drive..either from town or from the airport (TULLA) and it's
> > but four/five
> > minutes drive from my place (West Brunswick).
> > It's at Pascoe Vale...und that is the name of the train station
> > too.....the room is the function room of The Pascoe Vale
> > Hotel....not used
> > by others.
> >
> > It's away from the boozing parts...has a double door closed and
> > the room
> > juts out away again from the rest of the complex.....food is
> > available.....as in sit down or bar meal for lunch so folks
> > could decide to
> > bring a sandwich or just walk a few paces to sit down to
> > lunch...my lady
> > (DB) says that food there was (once) legendary; but we have no
> > info of
> > recent times........If? folks got sick of sitting in the room
> > the lounge
> > chaired lobby is directly outside the rooms doors....you could
> > relax there!
> > It's a large an airy lobby space.
> >
> > There is acess (from the room itself) to toilets so if any body
> > was at all
> > squeamish about walking about in a pub? they need not......it's
> > an internal
> > approach to the loos.( 2by M and F)
> >
> > The room is light and airy..looks fine and dandy.
> > One could seat 38 to 48 folks at a pinch 51.? I was told that
> > there are
> > oodles of chairs.....It is not an overly large room but I like
> > it ....NO
> > NEED FOR A BLOODY PA SYSTEM.
> > Just a littler voice-works.
> > Drawbacks...It 's in a pub! maybe some think like that.
> > Might worry a soldier or two.
> > If we need space for a 100 it would not do.
> > Summary ......an easier place to acess from town than most in
> > Brunswick.......by train it's a doddle....perfect.
> >? A large sideboard on the side of the room is equipped with the
> > coffe and
> > tea urn etc....(they threw that in!) ....and a double sink as I
> > remember.
> >
> > Summary. By train this place is a doddle........easier acess
> > than most
> > Brunswick venues...cheap! and without any threat of the
> > university system..
> > .....Room is available.
> > By car from airport or city the same...Freeway or main road
> > take your pick!
> > one hundred and (less I reckon ) than fifty dollars.
> > We can cop that.
> > Please Consult!
> > love Jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 4:57 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-
> > boots.net> wrote:
> >
> > > Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > > > $500! Those Estonians know how to charge.
> > >
> > > What do you expect ... communists turned capitalists ..
> > nothing more
> > > fervent than a convert!
> > >
> > > cheers,
> > > David
> > >
> > >? The Writers' Centre in Sydney
> > > > charged $165 for the day. That didn't include the AV
> > equipment but total
> > > > cost for hiring of hall was quite reasonable I thought.
> > Where is the
> > > > Melbourne Writers' Centre? Maybe that's an option - at
> > least they would
> > > be
> > > > experienced in the area of conference-style days.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> -----Original Message-----
> > > >> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > > >> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > > >> Sent: Tuesday, 19 May 2009 9:34 AM
> > > >> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > > >> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> > > >>
> > > >> I'm Tallinn you
> > > >> ......
> > > >> Matt rang!
> > > >> Matt rang to tell me that they (Estonians) would charge
> > 500
> > > >> bucks for their
> > > >> hall............makes the zero for Dr Wills' joint look
> > pretty?
> > > >> I reckon that puts it out bounds (for us)...but all the
> > same i
> > > >> intend to go
> > > >> to the afhhani shop next to te Hall.....he's their
> > Keeper..( a
> > > >> brunnie story
> > > >> if ever there was)
> > > >> and see the damn thing...............sooooooo I will? keep
> > in
> > > >> touch with
> > > >> Sarah.ask her if he Empire might survive the Decline and
> > Fall
> > > >> of University
> > > >> everything.
> > > >> And keep on looking eleswhhere aussi.
> > > >> Fog on the Barrow Downs this morn here...that is the
> > weather
> > > >> report.so stick
> > > >> it!
> > > >> jeff
> > > >> On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 6:58 AM, Edwin Scribner
> > > >> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Tallinn is the capital and largest city of Estonia. It
> > > >> occupies a surface
> > > >>> of 159.2 km2 (61.5 sq mi) in which 404,000 inhabitants
> > live.
> > > >> It is situated
> > > >>> on the northern coast of the country, on the banks of the
> > > >> Gulf of Finland,
> > > >>> 80 km (50 mi) south of Helsinki.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> - Wikipedia
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Vladimir and Estragon do sound vaguely Baltic too.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> --- On Mon, 18/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > > >> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> No not to purchase ....but first let the Estonian ring!
> > > >>> re Estonian Hall.....
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Estonians? What do they look like?
> > > >>> Ted quick ..The capital of Estonia.
> > > >>> Name four famous Estonians.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> An Estonian joke...by me.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Two Estonians were starring in a play...The Play was
> > titled
> > > >> "Waiting for
> > > >>> Godot.'
> > > >>> The one actor said to the other 'What are you doing in
> > this
> > > >> play?'
> > > >>> The second says....
> > > >>>? 'Cos I am an Estonian'.......really good ain't it?
> > > >>> jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed May 27 20:47:23 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:47:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <133592.61183.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I have looked on Google Maps and if you go to
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=%22Pascoe+vale%22&cr=countryAU&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=au&ei=3BUdSon-ENGSkAXcx-GLDQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1
and if that makes sense you will see, as I have seen, a mosaic of parts of Melbourne, with the CBD in the south and Pascoe Vale in the north, a little to the west of Coburg North.

A not unreasonable forum for advertising this seminar might be the general publicity surrounding the bigger-than-Ben-Hur Aussiecon 4 and if you go to http://www.aussiecon4.org.au/ you may make the acquaintances of various persons concerned with publicity of events that may grow up around Aussiecon 4 like a fairy ring.

You may hear more of fairies from me in due course. The Tinker Bell effect - it exists because you believe in it, conversely it ceases to exist if you don't believe in it. Walter E. Disney believed in fairies, especially Tinker Bell (though I'm not sure that he believed in Jim Barrie) who, it is widely believed (if you believe in the Wikipedia), is now the main unnofficial logo for the Disney empire.

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Pasoe Vale,
Soon I will post a few photos and the like with directions and Geography
lessons for those who are fond of going to there and back again.
Now I had foreshadowed this before but I have unilaterally appointed a
resident artist to the conference..he is to do a 'Major work' which I intend
to advertise during before and if nec.after the conference as being for
sale...IT WILL SELL!..heis a fine painter...and he is to pocket the money
for his troubles......
It will be on a LOTR theme and I intend to use it as a
Background....foreground room piece...the lad's name is Tony.......he is
approx 22 to 24 years old and Tony and his bro run their own panel B's shop
in Sunnie B......THey are SB pals of mine...I was their first customer and
he's a top spray paint ARTISTE........JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE......




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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Wed May 27 20:51:26 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 03:51:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <551440.871.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Yay!? Mega-Aussie-Con!! Hassan like, Hassan like!
?
elise

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:47 AM


I have looked on Google Maps and if you go to
http://maps.google.com.au/maps?hl=en&q=%22Pascoe+vale%22&cr=countryAU&um=1&ie=UTF-8&split=0&gl=au&ei=3BUdSon-ENGSkAXcx-GLDQ&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=image&resnum=1
and if that makes sense you will see, as I have seen, a mosaic of parts of Melbourne, with the CBD in the south and Pascoe Vale in the north, a little to the west of Coburg North.

A not unreasonable forum for advertising this seminar might be the general publicity surrounding the bigger-than-Ben-Hur Aussiecon 4 and if you go to http://www.aussiecon4.org.au/ you may make the acquaintances of various persons concerned with publicity of events that may grow up around Aussiecon 4 like a fairy ring.

You may hear more of fairies from me in due course. The Tinker Bell effect - it exists because you believe in it, conversely it ceases to exist if you don't believe in it. Walter E. Disney believed in fairies, especially Tinker Bell (though I'm not sure that he believed in Jim Barrie) who, it is widely believed (if you believe in the Wikipedia), is now the main unnofficial logo for the Disney empire.

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Pasoe Vale,
Soon I will post a few photos and the like with directions and Geography
lessons for those who are fond of going to there and back again.
Now I had foreshadowed this before but I have unilaterally appointed a
resident artist to the conference..he is to do a 'Major work' which I intend
to advertise during before and if nec.after the conference as being for
sale...IT WILL SELL!..heis a fine painter...and he is to pocket the money
for his troubles......
It will be on a LOTR theme and I intend to use it as a
Background....foreground room piece...the lad's name is Tony.......he is
approx 22 to 24 years old and Tony and his bro run their own panel B's shop
in Sunnie B......THey are SB pals of mine...I was their first customer and
he's a top spray paint ARTISTE........JUST YOU WAIT AND SEE......




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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu May 28 08:39:19 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:39:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <56943.34292.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OK, but just don't tell Perry or Rose - they may get swell headed.
?
(for the uninitiated - Perry Middlemiss and Rose Mitchell are the joint "chairs")

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:




Yay!? Mega-Aussie-Con!! Hassan like, Hassan like!
?
elise




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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu May 28 08:42:43 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 15:42:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <341546.37791.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Careful, Elise, you're starting to sound like Jeff.
(I know - so am I but at least we're of same country, gender and age group)

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:




Dear Jeff,
?
fat cat eh? how 'bout struggling teacher? and the gods help me if I have ever 'sat back on my fannie'!? or anyone else's for that matter! mr. pensioner. lol
?
secretly eating bon-bons and drinking daquiris in Florida,
Elise




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu May 28 09:05:11 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:05:11 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <605690.78319.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <605690.78319.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ecc18000905271605n60684807i66c74e2900fa9a04@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Elise....err Fur Elise,
I am sorry that called you a fat cat.......that was only lumping you in
with(mainly) Michael.....Ted and I ARE Pensioners...he's a garden gnome one
these days whilst i'man urban rat.(dirty one)...albeit (both of us) with a
bit of fat cat thrown in (supers)...I was once too 'a struggling teacher
Elise.
Mikhail is a roaming troubadour these days and David....well David looks
after (some) teacher's troubles..nuff said....pour me a daiquiri please
do.....NOW
Here in Sunniebrunnie...................
Good wrap up here at the Brunnie baths yesterday, aftert hiring the pasce
Vale I bumped into....no I didn't.....Dr Sarah Wills
Told he of the 'hiring' she said just as well...could still not have
promised you her lean cat rooms in the uni....'tis bienfaisance eh Ted?
Sooo we are in the best of all possible worlds after all........
More volts to Voltaire I say!
and I do nuzzing until der following week...pay der 200 bucks and get M off
his troubadour backside to plan the rest..Oh easy for Leonardo!
love jeff
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Jeff,
>
> fat cat eh? how 'bout struggling teacher? and the gods help me if I have
> ever 'sat back on my fannie'!  or anyone else's for that matter! mr.
> pensioner. lol
>
> secretly eating bon-bons and drinking daquiris in Florida,
> Elise
>
> --- On Mon, 25/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>

From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu May 28 11:00:30 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:00:30 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <781078.87709.qm@web110216.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

At least you didn't call her Bagatelle in A Minor! (Ludwig did :)
?
There are no gnomes in our garden - Ros can't stand them. There are three lions - two cement and one made of some fabric, which latter Ros got at a garage sale and which lives in the gazebo. Regarding my status as a pensioner: despite a little superrannuation I'm not recognised as a pensioner although I can get some concessions as a card carrying senior.
?
I'm trying to imagine Michael as a troubador. Standing under windows playing a lute does not sit well with my image of him. I confess to an ignorance of daiquiris but I have a feeling that they are alcoholic, sweet and expensive, two attributes of which I am not much enamoured of.
?
Do you know what possessed Francois-Marie Arouet to write as Voltaire? I don't and would like to. 
?
Oh, and speaking of anagrams which we were (ie Pascoe Vale), you may be aware that a PANAGRAM is an anagram of the alphabet. There aren't many good panagrams, the best one I know being "Quartz glyph job vex'd cwm finks". Now as I understand it, "glyph" is an ad hoc abbreviation for hieroglyph, "vex'd" is a rather old fashioned way of saying "vexed", which is itself a rather old fashioned way of saying "annoyed",?and while "cwm" is a prefectly respectable word it's Welsh (Cymric) not English, so this panagram is obviously lacking in some respects.

Has anyone got a better panagram?

--- On Thu, 28/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:




Dear Elise....err Fur Elise,
I am sorry that called you a fat cat.......that was only lumping you in
with(mainly) Michael.....Ted and I ARE Pensioners...he's a garden gnome one
these days whilst i'man urban rat.(dirty one)...albeit (both of us) with a
bit of fat cat thrown in (supers)...I was once too 'a struggling teacher
Elise.
Mikhail is a roaming troubadour these days and David....well David looks
after (some) teacher's troubles..nuff said....pour me a daiquiri please
do.....NOW
Here in Sunniebrunnie...................
Good wrap up here at the Brunnie baths yesterday, aftert hiring the pasce
Vale I bumped into....no I didn't.....Dr Sarah Wills
Told he of the 'hiring' she said just as well...could still not have
promised you her lean cat rooms in the uni....'tis bienfaisance eh Ted?
Sooo we are in the best of all possible worlds after all........
More volts to Voltaire I say!
and I do nuzzing until der following week...pay der 200 bucks and get M off
his troubadour backside to plan the rest..Oh easy for Leonardo!
love jeff
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:




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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 28 11:26:20 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:26:20 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <400476.54403.qm@web24601.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Gods forbid! 
?
Just turned 43 this year and 'feeling it in me bones' is all dear Ted.
?
from not-so-sunnie-la florida amidst the constant and unseasonally long thunderstorms,
Elise

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 6:42 PM


Careful, Elise, you're starting to sound like Jeff.
(I know - so am I but at least we're of same country, gender and age group)

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:




Dear Jeff,
?
fat cat eh? how 'bout struggling teacher? and the gods help me if I have ever 'sat back on my fannie'!? or anyone else's for that matter! mr. pensioner. lol
?
secretly eating bon-bons and drinking daquiris in Florida,
Elise




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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu May 28 11:36:03 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 18:36:03 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] missing link---not you Jeff
Message-ID: <935426.15155.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

hurumph, dear Jeff.
?

Has anyone heard about "Ida" or seen pix?? The missing link unveiled at Darwin's 200yr b-day in New York.? http://www.revealingthelink.com/
?
Elise

--- On Wed, 27/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Wednesday, 27 May, 2009, 7:05 PM


Dear Elise....err Fur Elise,
I am sorry that called you a fat cat.......that was only lumping you in
with(mainly) Michael.....Ted and I ARE Pensioners...he's a garden gnome one
these days whilst i'man urban rat.(dirty one)...albeit (both of us) with a
bit of fat cat thrown in (supers)...I was once too 'a struggling teacher
Elise.
Mikhail is a roaming troubadour these days and David....well David looks
after (some) teacher's troubles..nuff said....pour me a daiquiri please
do.....NOW
Here in Sunniebrunnie...................
Good wrap up here at the Brunnie baths yesterday, aftert hiring the pasce
Vale I bumped into....no I didn't.....Dr Sarah Wills
Told he of the 'hiring' she said just as well...could still not have
promised you her lean cat rooms in the uni....'tis bienfaisance eh Ted?
Sooo we are in the best of all possible worlds after all........
More volts to Voltaire I say!
and I do nuzzing until der following week...pay der 200 bucks and get M off
his troubadour backside to plan the rest..Oh easy for Leonardo!
love jeff
On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Dear Jeff,
>
> fat cat eh? how 'bout struggling teacher? and the gods help me if I have
> ever 'sat back on my fannie'!? or anyone else's for that matter! mr.
> pensioner. lol
>
> secretly eating bon-bons and drinking daquiris in Florida,
> Elise
>
> --- On Mon, 25/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Thu May 28 14:44:35 2009
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 14:44:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar 2010
In-Reply-To: <ecc18000905260057v6b6b56e1iea17d1c84bb65861@mail.gmail.com>
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I've changed the subject heading so I can just keep track of Seminar-related
e-mails.

All sounds good Jeff - a job well done! I will cover the costs too. Just let
me know your mailing address and I'll send you a cheque. 

Now we just need a sexy title and a theme and we'll be on our way!

PS. I will be on a trekking holiday in the NT for about 10 days as of
tomorrow. Besides a small torch I am going to be a complete luddite, so I
don't expect I'll be in e-mail contact until I return!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 5:58 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> 
> >
> > Shut up Ted an listen...........(UP)
> 
> I have tied the knot (David)
> And next week I will pay the 200 dallares for (a deposit)
> ..the hall dummies!
> And that is what is wot.
> I have taken photos!!!!!!
> Mikhail has detected a website....FANCYTHAT!...but clever
> enough for a mere
> 40 year old.
> And I am in contact with the web of managers who control Pacoe
> Vale Pub.
> It's good isn't it?
> love jeff
> PS sunnie brunnie forever
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May 29 09:36:33 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:36:33 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar 2010
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Happy NT Trek
 Mikhail,
Look up at night and see the Star Trek going on there.

Money can wait M...
At least until you get back from your redustingdays.
Bedrolldustinglusting nights...I have ajoke.
Man's car breaks down...........a horse over the farm fence tells him to
look at the battery terminal...just shift it around a bit says the
horse....It works....the man goes into the small town's second pub...tells
the story to the barman with a stiff Scotch.....Barman says ..'Was it
a white horse?'
Yes says the rescued drinker/motorist.....Just as well says the
barman ....the black one knows bugger all about cars!'

Maybe I'll dun you for half of the deposit..................I can sustain
100 better than two...we will get that 200 back in the short and long of it
M (a deposit)
jeff


On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:44 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> I've changed the subject heading so I can just keep track of
> Seminar-related
> e-mails.
>
> All sounds good Jeff - a job well done! I will cover the costs too. Just
> let
> me know your mailing address and I'll send you a cheque.
>
> Now we just need a sexy title and a theme and we'll be on our way!
>
> PS. I will be on a trekking holiday in the NT for about 10 days as of
> tomorrow. Besides a small torch I am going to be a complete luddite, so I
> don't expect I'll be in e-mail contact until I return!
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Tuesday, 26 May 2009 5:58 PM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> >
> > >
> > > Shut up Ted an listen...........(UP)
> >
> > I have tied the knot (David)
> > And next week I will pay the 200 dallares for (a deposit)
> > ..the hall dummies!
> > And that is what is wot.
> > I have taken photos!!!!!!
> > Mikhail has detected a website....FANCYTHAT!...but clever
> > enough for a mere
> > 40 year old.
> > And I am in contact with the web of managers who control Pacoe
> > Vale Pub.
> > It's good isn't it?
> > love jeff
> > PS sunnie brunnie forever
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May 29 09:45:21 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:45:21 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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Do you mean what is the one...do NOT know why!
....I vill do my best to discover this.....soon just you wait Henry.
jeff
PS did you know that Ludwig never owned a house?...kept renting them and
stuffing up with the (current) landlord???
He had a penchant for knocking down wall...... putting up stuff without
mentioing it to the owner...
He lived in some (I don't know) ...a lot of rentals......mabe the man as a
womaniser had a better chance if he kept on moving....anyway the house
owner's (many of them) complaints fell on deaf ears.
jeff
On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> At least you didn't call her Bagatelle in A Minor! (Ludwig did :)
>
> There are no gnomes in our garden - Ros can't stand them. There are three
> lions - two cement and one made of some fabric, which latter Ros got at a
> garage sale and which lives in the gazebo. Regarding my status as a
> pensioner: despite a little superrannuation I'm not recognised as a
> pensioner although I can get some concessions as a card carrying senior.
>
> I'm trying to imagine Michael as a troubador. Standing under windows
> playing a lute does not sit well with my image of him. I confess to an
> ignorance of daiquiris but I have a feeling that they are alcoholic, sweet
> and expensive, two attributes of which I am not much enamoured of.
>
> Do you know what possessed Francois-Marie Arouet to write as Voltaire? I
> don't and would like to.
>
> Oh, and speaking of anagrams which we were (ie Pascoe Vale), you may be
> aware that a PANAGRAM is an anagram of the alphabet. There aren't many good
> panagrams, the best one I know being "Quartz glyph job vex'd cwm finks". Now
> as I understand it, "glyph" is an ad hoc abbreviation for hieroglyph,
> "vex'd" is a rather old fashioned way of saying "vexed", which is itself a
> rather old fashioned way of saying "annoyed", and while "cwm" is a prefectly
> respectable word it's Welsh (Cymric) not English, so this panagram is
> obviously lacking in some respects.
>
> Has anyone got a better panagram?
>
> --- On Thu, 28/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Dear Elise....err Fur Elise,
> I am sorry that called you a fat cat.......that was only lumping you in
> with(mainly) Michael.....Ted and I ARE Pensioners...he's a garden gnome one
> these days whilst i'man urban rat.(dirty one)...albeit (both of us) with a
> bit of fat cat thrown in (supers)...I was once too 'a struggling teacher
> Elise.
> Mikhail is a roaming troubadour these days and David....well David looks
> after (some) teacher's troubles..nuff said....pour me a daiquiri please
> do.....NOW
> Here in Sunniebrunnie...................
> Good wrap up here at the Brunnie baths yesterday, aftert hiring the pasce
> Vale I bumped into....no I didn't.....Dr Sarah Wills
> Told he of the 'hiring' she said just as well...could still not have
> promised you her lean cat rooms in the uni....'tis bienfaisance eh Ted?
> Sooo we are in the best of all possible worlds after all........
> More volts to Voltaire I say!
> and I do nuzzing until der following week...pay der 200 bucks and get M off
> his troubadour backside to plan the rest..Oh easy for Leonardo!
> love jeff
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 1:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri May 29 09:54:44 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 09:54:44 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
In-Reply-To: <210630.26672.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
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Why Voltaire.ala Ted,
Brit Encyc....says (and I do NOT understand it's meaning.....It is not known
whther Votaire is an anaagram( help Mikhail!)
of arouet le jeune.......(ie the younger)????????
Where is the anagram folks......trying to see it in Francaise...but
can't!.....sooo it's still a mystery...to be candid.
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May 29 10:30:10 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:30:10 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <653359.2899.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Clearly this is not the best of all possible worlds as surely in such a world you could look it up on the internet. This I've tried to no avail.?Thanks for looking into it, Jeff. I think it must mean "the electrostatic?potential in the atmosphere" :)

--- On Fri, 29/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:




Why Voltaire.ala Ted,
Brit Encyc....says (and I do NOT understand it's meaning.....It is not known
whther Votaire is an anaagram( help Mikhail!)
of arouet le jeune.......(ie the younger)????????
Where is the anagram folks......trying to see it in Francaise...but
can't!.....sooo it's still a mystery...to be candid.
jeff



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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri May 29 10:33:43 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 17:33:43 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <632009.50483.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Interesting. To him it was, no doubt, a minor matter although a major one to the landlords. Quick, Jeff, which two of his symphonies were written in a minor key?

--- On Fri, 29/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:




Do you mean what is the one...do NOT know why!
....I vill do my best to discover this.....soon just you wait Henry.
jeff
PS did you know that Ludwig never owned a house?...kept renting them and
stuffing up with the (current) landlord???
He had a penchant for knocking down wall...... putting up stuff without
mentioing it to the owner...
He lived in some (I don't know) ...a lot of rentals......mabe the man as a
womaniser had a better chance if he kept on moving....anyway the house
owner's (many of them) complaints fell on deaf ears.



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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat May 30 09:53:36 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 09:53:36 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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I like your minor attempts at humour Ted...answer to the 2 Symphos
.............is that do not know!...I like his 8 works but I kinda prefer
his minor works a little better.

Always I thought that is was fine that our tune.....of Happy Birthday is by
him....also queer is that the German Nat Anthem was written by an Austrian
..a Wien one too.....
DDUA is only just a tad suitable if ya think that bloody Adolf Shicklegruber
was a (kinda) Austro-Hungarian Empire back woodsman Austrian too!...albeit a
bastard born one at that.....plus being a ssssssmart enough but
underachieving, sickly....poorly educated, dog loving, blonde sheila
adoring, Hollywood western watching, choclate eating, teetotalling fucki'n
bastard as well.
Jeff

Now as to Jean...stilll trying to assemble jeune....arouet  producesz
nothing in my poor noodle....have you pondered it too?
There is no V!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:33 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Interesting. To him it was, no doubt, a minor matter although a major one
> to the landlords. Quick, Jeff, which two of his symphonies were written in a
> minor key?
>
> --- On Fri, 29/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
> Do you mean what is the one...do NOT know why!
> ....I vill do my best to discover this.....soon just you wait Henry.
> jeff
> PS did you know that Ludwig never owned a house?...kept renting them and
> stuffing up with the (current) landlord???
> He had a penchant for knocking down wall...... putting up stuff without
> mentioing it to the owner...
> He lived in some (I don't know) ...a lot of rentals......mabe the man as a
> womaniser had a better chance if he kept on moving....anyway the house
> owner's (many of them) complaints fell on deaf ears.
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat May 30 14:46:52 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 29 May 2009 21:46:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
Message-ID: <635137.28514.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

OK: five (C minor) and nine (D minor). By his minor works, well there are a lot but "f

?r Elise" (Bagatelle in A minor)? is no doubt the best known, although to me it evokes visions of the fifth grade girl next door incessantly practicing.

Re: Happy Birthday" (of which that of my Rozzie is coming up), the Wikipedia says:

The melody of "Happy Birthday to You" comes from the song "Good Morning to All", which was written and composed by American sisters Patty Hill and Mildred J. Hill in 1893. They were both kindergarten school teachers in Louisville, Kentucky.

Nicht wahr?

Perhaps it's strange that a viennese composer wrote the tune of German National Anthem, though surely no stranger than the tune of the American national anthem being a popular English 16trh century drinking song. Actually I prefer the words of Anacreon to F. S. Key's words.

Hey, Jeff! Cut out those f****** words! In any case, the apostrophe should have been *after* the n. :)

--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


I like your minor attempts at humour Ted...answer to the 2 Symphos
.............is that do not know!...I like his 8 works but I kinda prefer
his minor works a little better.

Always I thought that is was fine that our tune.....of Happy Birthday is by
him....also queer is that the German Nat Anthem was written by an Austrian
..a Wien one too.....
DDUA is only just a tad suitable if ya think that bloody Adolf Shicklegruber
was a (kinda) Austro-Hungarian Empire back woodsman Austrian too!...albeit a
bastard born one at that.....plus being a ssssssmart enough but
underachieving, sickly....poorly educated, dog loving, blonde sheila
adoring, Hollywood western watching, choclate eating, teetotalling fucki'n
bastard as well.
Jeff





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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat May 30 22:28:35 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 05:28:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] symphonies
Message-ID: <567540.52083.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

The two of you are flippin' hysterical! lol. Reminds me of posturing Gorillas....except one is obviously closer Ida than Lucy. lol
?
dryad aka fur elise

--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 12:46 AM


OK: five (C minor) and nine (D minor). By his minor works, well there are a lot but "f

?r Elise" (Bagatelle in A minor)? is no doubt the best known, although to me it evokes visions of the fifth grade girl next door incessantly practicing.

Re: Happy Birthday" (of which that of my Rozzie is coming up), the Wikipedia says:

The melody of "Happy Birthday to You" comes from the song "Good Morning to All", which was written and composed by American sisters Patty Hill and Mildred J. Hill in 1893. They were both kindergarten school teachers in Louisville, Kentucky.

Nicht wahr?

Perhaps it's strange that a viennese composer wrote the tune of German National Anthem, though surely no stranger than the tune of the American national anthem being a popular English 16trh century drinking song. Actually I prefer the words of Anacreon to F. S. Key's words.

Hey, Jeff! Cut out those f****** words! In any case, the apostrophe should have been *after* the n. :)

--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


I like your minor attempts at humour Ted...answer to the 2 Symphos
.............is that do not know!...I like his 8 works but I kinda prefer
his minor works a little better.

Always I thought that is was fine that our tune.....of Happy Birthday is by
him....also queer is that the German Nat Anthem was written by an Austrian
..a Wien one too.....
DDUA is only just a tad suitable if ya think that bloody Adolf Shicklegruber
was a (kinda) Austro-Hungarian Empire back woodsman Austrian too!...albeit a
bastard born one at that.....plus being a ssssssmart enough but
underachieving, sickly....poorly educated, dog loving, blonde sheila
adoring, Hollywood western watching, choclate eating, teetotalling fucki'n
bastard as well.
Jeff





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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May 31 09:47:43 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:47:43 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
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No the Happy B theme is from Beethoven! Bugger (note no F's) all other
suggestions
....Beethoven rules here and my guess is as in so many musical compositions
the sisters took inspiration from a deaf but not so dumb rentaholic.
Examples see Russian composer's work ( Tsch unspellable one) the tortured
homosexual and married 1805 overture( mit bells und der
cannons..... one....the Ballet one.......stolen with 'Zing goes the strings
of my ...see a plane taking off an older Qantas plane( see joke below) de
dah dahhhhh.....repeat dah da de da dah de..........speed it up change the
tempo I mean give it some pauses dum dum de dum dum dum dum... dumm  dum de
dumm de  of my heart.......(again more dumming) and Zinggggggg  goes the
Strings of my heart.
Get it?


>  Qantas joke.
>
Q.A.N.T.A.S.

Queer And Nasty Try Another Service.

Told to me by a Chinese Balinese ( called) Sin so aptly.... was a partner of
my dead brother in a restaurant- Hotel business in Bali...many long years
ago......why aptly?...Sin stole the business from my bro and his Bendigonian
partners...see my Indonesian articles in Tilkal!!!!
love jeff...
hey I'm also waiting for you to ask me to cut out the love too.

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun May 31 09:54:08 2009
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 31 May 2009 09:54:08 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] symphonies
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Gorillas ...more like two aging bloody monkeys I'd say Elise.

Weather today in Melbourne town......started a bit foggy with me going to
have my girlfriend so as she can growl at me for seeing her (at breakfast
table).......it sure is a mighty fine thing that we do NOT live togrther...I
would be a little bit dead if I .....7 BLOODY DEGREES
 at a start of Sunday....a tiny bit of sun peeps thro' a not so silver cloud
lining...I attempt to sing Zing goes the strings of my Heart to Ted.....does
he get it?
jeff...........from struggling to be Sunnie Brunnie

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The two of you are flippin' hysterical! lol. Reminds me of posturing
> Gorillas....except one is obviously closer Ida than Lucy. lol
>
> dryad aka fur elise
>
> --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 12:46 AM
>
>
> OK: five (C minor) and nine (D minor). By his minor works, well there are a
> lot but "f
>
> ?r Elise" (Bagatelle in A minor)  is no doubt the best known, although to
> me it evokes visions of the fifth grade girl next door incessantly
> practicing.
>
> Re: Happy Birthday" (of which that of my Rozzie is coming up), the
> Wikipedia says:
>
> The melody of "Happy Birthday to You" comes from the song "Good Morning to
> All", which was written and composed by American sisters Patty Hill and
> Mildred J. Hill in 1893. They were both kindergarten school teachers in
> Louisville, Kentucky.
>
> Nicht wahr?
>
> Perhaps it's strange that a viennese composer wrote the tune of German
> National Anthem, though surely no stranger than the tune of the American
> national anthem being a popular English 16trh century drinking song.
> Actually I prefer the words of Anacreon to F. S. Key's words.
>
> Hey, Jeff! Cut out those f****** words! In any case, the apostrophe should
> have been *after* the n. :)
>
> --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I like your minor attempts at humour Ted...answer to the 2 Symphos
> .............is that do not know!...I like his 8 works but I kinda prefer
> his minor works a little better.
>
> Always I thought that is was fine that our tune.....of Happy Birthday is by
> him....also queer is that the German Nat Anthem was written by an Austrian
> ..a Wien one too.....
> DDUA is only just a tad suitable if ya think that bloody Adolf
> Shicklegruber
> was a (kinda) Austro-Hungarian Empire back woodsman Austrian too!...albeit
> a
> bastard born one at that.....plus being a ssssssmart enough but
> underachieving, sickly....poorly educated, dog loving, blonde sheila
> adoring, Hollywood western watching, choclate eating, teetotalling fucki'n
> bastard as well.
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun May 31 11:32:01 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:32:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun NOT
Message-ID: <624751.479.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try 1812, and don't tell me I'm wrong about that Jeff. I've just been looking at it on a record (a 3 CD set that Ros bought for $1 at a garage sale).

No, I'm afraid I don't get it. I know that Lloyd Webber plagiarised Puccini mercilessly. Let me know if you ever hear words to fur Elise. Of course Tschaikovsky (who said he was unspellable? nyah nyah nyah) used a bit of the Marseillaise in his 1812 overture but the French probably loved him for it.

So much for Quantas. I'll try to remember the words for which Alitalia was an acronym - "Arrived late in Turin, all luggage in Athens".

No, Jeff, don't cut out "love", but don't add "and kisses", that's all.

Cheers,

Ted

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

No the Happy B theme is from Beethoven! Bugger (note no F's) all other
suggestions
....Beethoven rules here and my guess is as in so many musical compositions
the sisters took inspiration from a deaf but not so dumb rentaholic.
Examples see Russian composer's work ( Tsch unspellable one) the tortured
homosexual and married 1805 overture( mit bells und der
cannons..... one....the Ballet one.......stolen with 'Zing goes the strings
of my ...see a plane taking off an older Qantas plane( see joke below) de
dah dahhhhh.....repeat dah da de da dah de..........speed it up change the
tempo I mean give it some pauses dum dum de dum dum dum dum... dumm? dum de
dumm de? of my heart.......(again more dumming) and Zinggggggg? goes the
Strings of my heart.
Get it?


>? Qantas joke.
>
Q.A.N.T.A.S.

Queer And Nasty Try Another Service.

Told to me by a Chinese Balinese ( called) Sin so aptly.... was a partner of
my dead brother in a restaurant- Hotel business in Bali...many long years
ago......why aptly?...Sin stole the business from my bro and his Bendigonian
partners...see my Indonesian articles in Tilkal!!!!
love jeff...
hey I'm also waiting for you to ask me to cut out the love too.




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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun May 31 11:39:18 2009
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 18:39:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] symphonies
Message-ID: <948561.40888.qm@web110204.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Primates, Jeff, primates!

Weather wet, track soggy here at Blackheath. Three days ago the temperature at Mount Boyce dropped below 10 degrees and it hasn't deigned to come back to it since. Tomorrow is winter. Blow, blow thou winter wind, thou art not so unkind as man's ingratitude ... etc.

--- On Sun, 31/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:



Gorillas ...more like two aging bloody monkeys I'd say Elise.

Weather today in Melbourne town......started a bit foggy with me going to
have my girlfriend so as she can growl at me for seeing her (at breakfast
table).......it sure is a mighty fine thing that we do NOT live togrther...I
would be a little bit dead if I .....7 BLOODY DEGREES
 at a start of Sunday....a tiny bit of sun peeps thro' a not so silver cloud
lining...I attempt to sing Zing goes the strings of my Heart to Ted.....does
he get it?
jeff...........from struggling to be Sunnie Brunnie





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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun May 31 13:20:06 2009
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 30 May 2009 20:20:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] symphonies
Message-ID: <122753.73949.qm@web24612.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

I love your objective correlatives, dear Jeff.
?
Elise

--- On Sat, 30/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] symphonies
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 7:54 PM


Gorillas ...more like two aging bloody monkeys I'd say Elise.

Weather today in Melbourne town......started a bit foggy with me going to
have my girlfriend so as she can growl at me for seeing her (at breakfast
table).......it sure is a mighty fine thing that we do NOT live togrther...I
would be a little bit dead if I .....7 BLOODY DEGREES
at a start of Sunday....a tiny bit of sun peeps thro' a not so silver cloud
lining...I attempt to sing Zing goes the strings of my Heart to Ted.....does
he get it?
jeff...........from struggling to be Sunnie Brunnie

On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:28 PM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> The two of you are flippin' hysterical! lol. Reminds me of posturing
> Gorillas....except one is obviously closer Ida than Lucy. lol
>
> dryad aka fur elise
>
> --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sigurd and Gudrun
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Saturday, 30 May, 2009, 12:46 AM
>
>
> OK: five (C minor) and nine (D minor). By his minor works, well there are a
> lot but "f
>
> ?r Elise" (Bagatelle in A minor)? is no doubt the best known, although to
> me it evokes visions of the fifth grade girl next door incessantly
> practicing.
>
> Re: Happy Birthday" (of which that of my Rozzie is coming up), the
> Wikipedia says:
>
> The melody of "Happy Birthday to You" comes from the song "Good Morning to
> All", which was written and composed by American sisters Patty Hill and
> Mildred J. Hill in 1893. They were both kindergarten school teachers in
> Louisville, Kentucky.
>
> Nicht wahr?
>
> Perhaps it's strange that a viennese composer wrote the tune of German
> National Anthem, though surely no stranger than the tune of the American
> national anthem being a popular English 16trh century drinking song.
> Actually I prefer the words of Anacreon to F. S. Key's words.
>
> Hey, Jeff! Cut out those f****** words! In any case, the apostrophe should
> have been *after* the n. :)
>
> --- On Sat, 30/5/09, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I like your minor attempts at humour Ted...answer to the 2 Symphos
> .............is that do not know!...I like his 8 works but I kinda prefer
> his minor works a little better.
>
> Always I thought that is was fine that our tune.....of Happy Birthday is by
> him....also queer is that the German Nat Anthem was written by an Austrian
> ..a Wien one too.....
> DDUA is only just a tad suitable if ya think that bloody Adolf
> Shicklegruber
> was a (kinda) Austro-Hungarian Empire back woodsman Austrian too!...albeit
> a
> bastard born one at that.....plus being a ssssssmart enough but
> underachieving, sickly....poorly educated, dog loving, blonde sheila
> adoring, Hollywood western watching, choclate eating, teetotalling fucki'n
> bastard as well.
> Jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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