From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Apr  1 11:33:21 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 11:33:21 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
Message-ID: <x2tecc18001003311733ga05e259xd74ab92783c87a26@mail.gmail.com>

Auf Weidersein,
........next from Vienna
love jeff

On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 5:06 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Leon,
>
> I am in possession of three DVD documentaries on Tolkien. One of them is
> JRR
> Tolkien: Master of the Rings. The producers make a point of saying that
> they
> have no affiliation to the Tolkien Estate - its almost a selling point.
>
> The other one I have is the National Geographic: 'Beyond the Movie'.
>
> But by far the most interesting one is 'JRRT - a Film Portrait of JRR
> Tolkien'. It was completely endorsed by his children, and they all appear
> in
> it. It's narrated by Judi Dench and runs for nearly two hours.
> Unfortunately, I only have a VHS copy of this one.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Leon Wild
> > Sent: Monday, 29 March 2010 2:09 PM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien docos
> >
> > Hi Peter and Edwin,
> >
> > I found two docos on DVD at the library this morning,
> >
> > * JRR Tolkien: Master of the Rings, by Cromwell Productions,
> > 2001
> > * Inside Tolkien's Fellowship of the Ring (first of three).
> > Edgehill 2003.
> >
> > Will report back.
> >
> > Cover art for both is Bros. Hildebrandt.
> >
> > As for the Tolkien copyrights - scary territory...
> >
> > cheers,
> > Leon
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Edwin Scribner wrote:
> > > I think I've got that. I taped it a few years ago and now
> > have it on a DVD. It's about 45 minutes long. I don't know if
> > it's available anywhere but I'm happy to do copies for the
> > price of a DVD plus postage. I agree with Peter, however, in
> > that it doesn't cover much of his life.
> > >
> > > It's probably copyrighted but I don 't think anyone will
> > worry much about copying - still I hope this doesn't get back
> > to the Tolkien Family Company (or whatever his copyright
> > holders are called).
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 23/3/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Leon,
> > >
> > > There are a few that I saw a long time ago. Probably the main
> > one is a bbc
> > > doc made in the early 90s (?). There's some interesting
> > footage, though it's
> > > not very informative.
> > >
> > > Peter
> > >
> > > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Leon Wild <ninth at tpg.com.au>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >> hi all,
> > >>
> > >> can anyone recommend any TV / DVD documentaries about
> > Tolkien / Tolkien
> > >> fans?
> > >>
> > >> cheers,
> > >> Leon
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Apr  1 13:28:51 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2010 19:28:51 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <x2tecc18001003311733ga05e259xd74ab92783c87a26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <606187.1984.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Try "Auf wiedersehen".

Au revoir, Jeff. Have fun.


--- On Thu, 1/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


Auf Weidersein,
........next from Vienna
love jeff





      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Thu Apr  1 19:17:52 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 19:17:52 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <606187.1984.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3D79CE4208F14722891BDB07A8E2BEEA@Michael>

We may be in the air at the same time Jeff. We're off to San Francisco
tomorrow for ten days. 

Have a cracking time and I look forward to hearing about your travails when
we meet in August.

Michael 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 1:29 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
> 
> Try "Auf wiedersehen".
> 
> Au revoir, Jeff. Have fun.
> 
> 
> --- On Thu, 1/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Auf Weidersein,
> ........next from Vienna
> love jeff
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Apr  2 09:21:26 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 09:21:26 +1100
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <606187.1984.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <x2tecc18001003311733ga05e259xd74ab92783c87a26@mail.gmail.com>
	<606187.1984.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <t2hecc18001004011521xc8353917w62e1534a522dceec@mail.gmail.com>

I lied ..this from Brunswick yes "Auf Wiedersehen" indeed Ted.

Mild Autumn day here.

Got a long time to wait for my five minutes to midnight flight (with Qatar
Air).

Und I do hope to have fun.
Maybe I should start ....easter sunday in 'the Stephandom".....The Cathedral
of St Stephen......in the innerstadt of Vienna.....other unbelievers are
sure to be there as well.

Ted do you know some DE La Salle Schools in Sydney?

My unit is in Lassallestarsse.....in Vienna....I may have told you....he was
(Lassalle) canonised...do not know when....he started schools in France...He
was French.

I have completed...not to state of editing........ 64 pages of Volume two of
The Berggeist Letters....thinking of titling it...The Steppenwolf Letters?

When I stop writing this I will look at the temperature in Vienna.

That's it for now.
jeff








On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Try "Auf wiedersehen".
>
> Au revoir, Jeff. Have fun.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 1/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Auf Weidersein,
> ........next from Vienna
> love jeff
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Apr  2 10:37:29 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 1 Apr 2010 16:37:29 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <t2hecc18001004011521xc8353917w62e1534a522dceec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <164559.12777.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

There's one in Cronulla or Woolooware (don't know exactly where). Locals call the kids who go there "DeLa's"

--- On Fri, 2/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Ted do you know some DE La Salle Schools in Sydney?





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Apr  5 22:29:02 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 5 Apr 2010 14:29:02 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <164559.12777.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <t2hecc18001004011521xc8353917w62e1534a522dceec@mail.gmail.com>
	<164559.12777.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <m2wecc18001004050529i8a689b0cgeae9a59b138cbca@mail.gmail.com>

well the bloke was a saint Ted.
I am in the unit that I wanted in Lasallestrasse NOW
und it is some 3 UBahn stops from St Stephen's Cathedral....Stephandom as
they call it.
I did enter it yesterday.....with thousands of others...I ouched the walls
twice and walkd out.
kinda did that for luck I suppose.
jeff
On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 1:37 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> There's one in Cronulla or Woolooware (don't know exactly where). Locals
> call the kids who go there "DeLa's"
>
> --- On Fri, 2/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ted do you know some DE La Salle Schools in Sydney?
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Apr  6 22:38:54 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 14:38:54 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
In-Reply-To: <3D79CE4208F14722891BDB07A8E2BEEA@Michael>
References: <606187.1984.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<3D79CE4208F14722891BDB07A8E2BEEA@Michael>
Message-ID: <s2gecc18001004060538icb1cad21z1701f67e78a072cd@mail.gmail.com>

Chuss!
jeff

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 10:17 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> We may be in the air at the same time Jeff. We're off to San Francisco
> tomorrow for ten days.
>
> Have a cracking time and I look forward to hearing about your travails when
> we meet in August.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > Sent: Thursday, 1 April 2010 1:29 PM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>  > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] a German Word.
> >
> > Try "Auf wiedersehen".
> >
> > Au revoir, Jeff. Have fun.
> >
> >
> > --- On Thu, 1/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Auf Weidersein,
> > ........next from Vienna
> > love jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Thu Apr  8 13:08:59 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 03:08:59 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <675627.59106.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <154175.82199.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

One small bite will feed a grown man. So says Legolas. Phooey to Gollum.
lol
?
MINE are exceptionally yummy, Ted. If you like elvish food, that is.
Elise

--- On Wed, 24/3/10, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Wednesday, 24 March, 2010, 0:21


I tried some once, but they tasted terrible.

- Gollum

:)

Of course I'm sure yours will be a big improvement. Does it feed the will and give strength to endure?

--- On Wed, 24/3/10, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


I have a secret recipe for lembas. hehehe, no I won't share, but I will make some!
Elise





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From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Apr  8 20:03:58 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 03:03:58 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <154175.82199.qm@web24606.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <680388.76022.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't seem to be any farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of obtaining food - with the exception of those who tended Galadriel's orchard and also perhaps those who made the lembas in Lothlorien. Then there was the miruvor that Elrond gave Gandalf but no mention of where it came from and how it was made. The suggestion is that it was a type of mead - mead was also made in Lothlorien. 

You bring the lembas, I'll bring the miruvor!
(I have a lot of mead of my own make, plus several bottles made elsewhere)

--- On Thu, 8/4/10, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

One small bite will feed a grown man. So says Legolas. Phooey to Gollum.
lol
?
MINE are exceptionally yummy, Ted. If you like elvish food, that is.
Elise





      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri Apr  9 12:15:05 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 12:15:05 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <680388.76022.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <680388.76022.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BBE8DA9.305@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't seem to be any
 > farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of obtaining 
food ...

Indeed. That's something that has puzzled me ever since I first read the 
books. The humans & the hobbits both have an agricultural system 
(systems actually). But the other races?

Orcs etc presumably get their food by theft & taxes. Ents 
photosynthesise. But what of the elves & the dwarfs? There are a few 
references to the later growing some types of food in their caves and 
also trading with humans. While I may have doubts as to how much they 
could live off fungi and trade, at least there's something. The elves 
... there's not even suggestions, apart from the orchards you mention 
and they seem more like decorative gardens than farms. They don't trade, 
they don't photosynthesise ... so just where do they get their food? 
Maybe they live off mana that comes from the gods? There is obviously 
some hunting, but hunting & gathering cannot support a large population 
base and cannot support anything but a very primitive culture - too much 
time is spent hunting & gathering to maintain anything much more 
advanced than a pre-european aboriginal culture.

A few dozen elves in Rivendel may be able to support themselves by 
hunting & gathering, but the numbers implied in the books are way beyond 
what could be supported by anything other than an organised agricultural 
system ... or a suitable high-tech or magical replacement .. ala the 
food synthesisers on Star Trek.

The other possibility is that the elves have enslaved large numbers of 
other races who labour away on hidden farms to provide the produce the 
elves live off. Since this can probably be safely ruled out .. that 
leaves a real mystery.

Did they eat at all? If so, where did their food come from? They did 
have food since the hobbits ate at Rivendell, so where did it come from? 
Magic?

cheers,
David
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Apr  9 13:03:39 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 20:03:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <4BBE8DA9.305@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <619943.37195.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Consider what was said regarding the feast that was held at Rivendell soon after Frodo and company arrived. Apparently it was absolutely wonderful, all that anyone could want, yet I fail to find any mention of just what was eaten. Ambrosia? :)

Somewhere in the History of Middle-Earth books I recall a mention of Elves farming, but it was an oblique mention and there was no reference to a specific farmland anywhere that I remember.

However, food was mentioned by name when Frodo, Sam and Merry encountered the Company of Gildor. He gave them bread and fruit.

I get the impression that Elves were vegetarian but I can't give a specific reference. Then of course there was lembas, but that was only for long arduous trips.

Speaking of long arduous trips, if you're not reading Jessica Watson's blog I must mention that she had a terrible catastrophy which has plainly upset her a lot. The handle fell off her kettle!

--- On Fri, 9/4/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't seem to be any
> farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of obtaining food ...

Indeed. That's something that has puzzled me ever since I first read the books. The humans & the hobbits both have an agricultural system (systems actually). But the other races?

Orcs etc presumably get their food by theft & taxes. Ents photosynthesise. But what of the elves & the dwarfs? There are a few references to the later growing some types of food in their caves and also trading with humans. While I may have doubts as to how much they could live off fungi and trade, at least there's something. The elves ... there's not even suggestions, apart from the orchards you mention and they seem more like decorative gardens than farms. They don't trade, they don't photosynthesise ... so just where do they get their food? Maybe they live off mana that comes from the gods? There is obviously some hunting, but hunting & gathering cannot support a large population base and cannot support anything but a very primitive culture - too much time is spent hunting & gathering to maintain anything much more advanced than a pre-european aboriginal culture.

A few dozen elves in Rivendel may be able to support themselves by hunting & gathering, but the numbers implied in the books are way beyond what could be supported by anything other than an organised agricultural system ... or a suitable high-tech or magical replacement .. ala the food synthesisers on Star Trek.

The other possibility is that the elves have enslaved large numbers of other races who labour away on hidden farms to provide the produce the elves live off. Since this can probably be safely ruled out .. that leaves a real mystery.

Did they eat at all? If so, where did their food come from? They did have food since the hobbits ate at Rivendell, so where did it come from? Magic?

cheers,
David




      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri Apr  9 13:56:31 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Fri, 09 Apr 2010 13:56:31 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <619943.37195.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <619943.37195.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BBEA56F.5070908@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Consider what was said regarding the feast that was held at Rivendell soon after
 > Frodo and company arrived. Apparently it was absolutely wonderful, all
 > that anyone could want, yet I fail to find any mention of just what 
was eaten.
 > Ambrosia? :)

They ate sawdust & water and elven magic made them think they ate all 
sorts of food?

> Somewhere in the History of Middle-Earth books I recall a mention of Elves farming,
 > but it was an oblique mention and there was no reference to a 
specific farmland
 > anywhere that I remember.

T'would need to be more than one farm .. and a sizable number given the 
number of elves.

Oh, the remaints of the non-Noldor elves that were mentioned in the 
hobbit, I think. Were they in Mirkwood? They either farmed or traded .. 
traded I think. Several references there to food arriving in barrels 
etc, so likely traded with nearby human communities.

But not the Noldor's who kept to themselves.

> However, food was mentioned by name when Frodo ...

And bread means not just a farm full of wheat but also bakeries to make 
the bread.

cheers,
David
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Apr  9 15:34:07 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 05:34:07 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <680388.76022.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <513331.42366.qm@web24610.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

We have an accord. 
Elise

--- On Thu, 8/4/10, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Thursday, 8 April, 2010, 6:03


Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't seem to be any farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of obtaining food - with the exception of those who tended Galadriel's orchard and also perhaps those who made the lembas in Lothlorien. Then there was the miruvor that Elrond gave Gandalf but no mention of where it came from and how it was made. The suggestion is that it was a type of mead - mead was also made in Lothlorien. 

You bring the lembas, I'll bring the miruvor!
(I have a lot of mead of my own make, plus several bottles made elsewhere)

--- On Thu, 8/4/10, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

One small bite will feed a grown man. So says Legolas. Phooey to Gollum.
lol
?
MINE are exceptionally yummy, Ted. If you like elvish food, that is.
Elise





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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Apr 12 13:50:40 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:50:40 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <619943.37195.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C136400FCE33423E9758911448A72DB8@Michael>

Hi All,

I think David's question of 'Did they eat at all?' may go some way to
explaining the seemingly lack of Elvish agriculture. We know of course that
they do actually eat as there are various references to them feasting. The
question is - do they need to eat, or at least do they need to consume as
much as humans? Their eating always seems to be associated with feasting and
maybe it's more symbolic and ceremonial, rather then essential to their
daily nutritional needs. The corporeal bodies of the Elves do require some
sort of sustenance, but perhaps not to the same extent as their human
counterparts. 

I believe scientific studies have actually linked longevity with the amount
of food ingested - the more food, the lower the life span. If this is the
case I've just knocked off a few years in the last two weeks. I have just
returned from the glorious San Francisco, and I don't know what surprised me
more - the serving sizes, or the fact that I could put most of it away. I'm
definitely no Elf!

Michael 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 1:04 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
> 
> Consider what was said regarding the feast that was held at
> Rivendell soon after Frodo and company arrived. Apparently it
> was absolutely wonderful, all that anyone could want, yet I
> fail to find any mention of just what was eaten. Ambrosia? :)
> 
> Somewhere in the History of Middle-Earth books I recall a
> mention of Elves farming, but it was an oblique mention and
> there was no reference to a specific farmland anywhere that I
> remember.
> 
> However, food was mentioned by name when Frodo, Sam and Merry
> encountered the Company of Gildor. He gave them bread and fruit.
> 
> I get the impression that Elves were vegetarian but I can't
> give a specific reference. Then of course there was lembas, but
> that was only for long arduous trips.
> 
> Speaking of long arduous trips, if you're not reading Jessica
> Watson's blog I must mention that she had a terrible
> catastrophy which has plainly upset her a lot. The handle fell
> off her kettle!
> 
> --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> 
> Edwin Scribner wrote:
> > Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't
> seem to be any
> > farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of
> obtaining food ...
> 
> Indeed. That's something that has puzzled me ever since I first
> read the books. The humans & the hobbits both have an
> agricultural system (systems actually). But the other races?
> 
> Orcs etc presumably get their food by theft & taxes. Ents
> photosynthesise. But what of the elves & the dwarfs? There are
> a few references to the later growing some types of food in
> their caves and also trading with humans. While I may have
> doubts as to how much they could live off fungi and trade, at
> least there's something. The elves ... there's not even
> suggestions, apart from the orchards you mention and they seem
> more like decorative gardens than farms. They don't trade, they
> don't photosynthesise ... so just where do they get their food?
> Maybe they live off mana that comes from the gods? There is
> obviously some hunting, but hunting & gathering cannot support
> a large population base and cannot support anything but a very
> primitive culture - too much time is spent hunting & gathering
> to maintain anything much more advanced than a pre-european
> aboriginal culture.
> 
> A few dozen elves in Rivendel may be able to support themselves
> by hunting & gathering, but the numbers implied in the books
> are way beyond what could be supported by anything other than
> an organised agricultural system ... or a suitable high-tech or
> magical replacement .. ala the food synthesisers on Star Trek.
> 
> The other possibility is that the elves have enslaved large
> numbers of other races who labour away on hidden farms to
> provide the produce the elves live off. Since this can probably
> be safely ruled out .. that leaves a real mystery.
> 
> Did they eat at all? If so, where did their food come from?
> They did have food since the hobbits ate at Rivendell, so where
> did it come from? Magic?
> 
> cheers,
> David
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 12 14:49:48 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 21:49:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <C136400FCE33423E9758911448A72DB8@Michael>
Message-ID: <467777.27320.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Unless they have some way of utilising sunlight or other mysterious source of energy I think they must have eaten, as many of them walked a lot, some of them fought hard and it seemed normal for them not to sleep (although in one memorable scene in LotR "Legolas and Gimli slept" while Aragorn the superduperman lay on his back but didn't sleep, and Gandalf didn't even lie down). About the only way around the dilemma that I can see is to allow that populations of elves were always small, so collectively they didn't need much.

Regarding portions of food in the USA - I was in San Jos?, which is not far from San Francisco, for about 18 days in 2002 and I was amazed at the quantity of food involved in just about any meal. A sandwich, which we'd expect no thicker than the two slices of bread plus the filling about the same thickness as one slice. Sandwiches I had in San Jos? were about five thicknesses of bread between the actual pieces of bread. I once had blt and found out the hard way that there is no such thing as lean bacon in the USA, or at least in that part of California. I'm not at all surprised that obesity is a big problem there, although we're now told that obesity exceeds smoking in causing health problems in Australia.

- Ted (cholesterol 5.3, HDL 1.4, LDL 3.3)

--- On Mon, 12/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

I think David's question of 'Did they eat at all?' may go some way to
explaining the seemingly lack of Elvish agriculture. We know of course that
they do actually eat as there are various references to them feasting. The
question is - do they need to eat, or at least do they need to consume as
much as humans? Their eating always seems to be associated with feasting and
maybe it's more symbolic and ceremonial, rather then essential to their
daily nutritional needs. The corporeal bodies of the Elves do require some
sort of sustenance, but perhaps not to the same extent as their human
counterparts. 

I believe scientific studies have actually linked longevity with the amount
of food ingested - the more food, the lower the life span. If this is the
case I've just knocked off a few years in the last two weeks. I have just
returned from the glorious San Francisco, and I don't know what surprised me
more - the serving sizes, or the fact that I could put most of it away. I'm
definitely no Elf!

Michael 





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Apr 13 01:52:45 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 17:52:45 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <C136400FCE33423E9758911448A72DB8@Michael>
References: <619943.37195.qm@web110213.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<C136400FCE33423E9758911448A72DB8@Michael>
Message-ID: <x2lecc18001004120852ke7b4083agce87978ede40dd24@mail.gmail.com>

Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what did the elf eat?
jeff

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 5:50 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I think David's question of 'Did they eat at all?' may go some way to
> explaining the seemingly lack of Elvish agriculture. We know of course that
> they do actually eat as there are various references to them feasting. The
> question is - do they need to eat, or at least do they need to consume as
> much as humans? Their eating always seems to be associated with feasting
> and
> maybe it's more symbolic and ceremonial, rather then essential to their
> daily nutritional needs. The corporeal bodies of the Elves do require some
> sort of sustenance, but perhaps not to the same extent as their human
> counterparts.
>
> I believe scientific studies have actually linked longevity with the amount
> of food ingested - the more food, the lower the life span. If this is the
> case I've just knocked off a few years in the last two weeks. I have just
> returned from the glorious San Francisco, and I don't know what surprised
> me
> more - the serving sizes, or the fact that I could put most of it away. I'm
> definitely no Elf!
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > Sent: Friday, 9 April 2010 1:04 PM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
> >
>  > Consider what was said regarding the feast that was held at
> > Rivendell soon after Frodo and company arrived. Apparently it
> > was absolutely wonderful, all that anyone could want, yet I
> > fail to find any mention of just what was eaten. Ambrosia? :)
> >
> > Somewhere in the History of Middle-Earth books I recall a
> > mention of Elves farming, but it was an oblique mention and
> > there was no reference to a specific farmland anywhere that I
> > remember.
> >
> > However, food was mentioned by name when Frodo, Sam and Merry
> > encountered the Company of Gildor. He gave them bread and fruit.
> >
> > I get the impression that Elves were vegetarian but I can't
> > give a specific reference. Then of course there was lembas, but
> > that was only for long arduous trips.
> >
> > Speaking of long arduous trips, if you're not reading Jessica
> > Watson's blog I must mention that she had a terrible
> > catastrophy which has plainly upset her a lot. The handle fell
> > off her kettle!
> >
> > --- On Fri, 9/4/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
> >
> > Edwin Scribner wrote:
> > > Some of the great mysteries of Tolkien's Elves: there don't
> > seem to be any
> > > farmers or hunters or practitioners of any other means of
> > obtaining food ...
> >
> > Indeed. That's something that has puzzled me ever since I first
> > read the books. The humans & the hobbits both have an
> > agricultural system (systems actually). But the other races?
> >
> > Orcs etc presumably get their food by theft & taxes. Ents
> > photosynthesise. But what of the elves & the dwarfs? There are
> > a few references to the later growing some types of food in
> > their caves and also trading with humans. While I may have
> > doubts as to how much they could live off fungi and trade, at
> > least there's something. The elves ... there's not even
> > suggestions, apart from the orchards you mention and they seem
> > more like decorative gardens than farms. They don't trade, they
> > don't photosynthesise ... so just where do they get their food?
> > Maybe they live off mana that comes from the gods? There is
> > obviously some hunting, but hunting & gathering cannot support
> > a large population base and cannot support anything but a very
> > primitive culture - too much time is spent hunting & gathering
> > to maintain anything much more advanced than a pre-european
> > aboriginal culture.
> >
> > A few dozen elves in Rivendel may be able to support themselves
> > by hunting & gathering, but the numbers implied in the books
> > are way beyond what could be supported by anything other than
> > an organised agricultural system ... or a suitable high-tech or
> > magical replacement .. ala the food synthesisers on Star Trek.
> >
> > The other possibility is that the elves have enslaved large
> > numbers of other races who labour away on hidden farms to
> > provide the produce the elves live off. Since this can probably
> > be safely ruled out .. that leaves a real mystery.
> >
> > Did they eat at all? If so, where did their food come from?
> > They did have food since the hobbits ate at Rivendell, so where
> > did it come from? Magic?
> >
> > cheers,
> > David
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue Apr 13 06:28:14 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 13:28:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <x2lecc18001004120852ke7b4083agce87978ede40dd24@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <146750.13341.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

We've all taken that question on notice, Jeff, and we'll get back to you.

Another thing you can take on notice: I'll - we'll (meaning Rozzie too) - be in thylacine land from 7 to 15 May.

Now - a question: anyone here read any of Catherine Asaro's books (either her sf or fantasy or both)?

--- On Tue, 13/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what did the elf eat?
jeff




      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Tue Apr 13 22:35:24 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 22:35:24 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <467777.27320.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <467777.27320.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BC4650C.8080505@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Unless they have some way of utilising sunlight or other mysterious source
 > of energy I think they must have eaten, as many of them walked a lot, 
some
 > of them fought hard and it seemed normal for them not to sleep ...

I have to agree with Ted ... IMO they definitely ate .. and they ate 
what we would have called food. Keep in mind that humans & elves could 
interbreed (ok, with a bit of help). If the elves were energy-vores or 
lived off, well, magic, then they would have an extremely un-human 
metabolism and cross-breeds would be most unlikely. As for the 
cross-breeding, the assistance needed there was less to overcome 
biological problems as a matter of different kinds of souls with humans 
& elves.

cheers,
David
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           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Apr 14 00:47:50 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 16:47:50 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <146750.13341.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <x2lecc18001004120852ke7b4083agce87978ede40dd24@mail.gmail.com>
	<146750.13341.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <y2wecc18001004130747ube2b6b3bjcfd9ca767293264c@mail.gmail.com>

I think the real answer to this most interesting debate lies in the fact
that the author sheerly did not consider the proposition....if he had done
the same for all of the races ....ie investigate All of their agricultural
practices their would be no room left for plot development.
jefff

On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> We've all taken that question on notice, Jeff, and we'll get back to you.
>
> Another thing you can take on notice: I'll - we'll (meaning Rozzie too) -
> be in thylacine land from 7 to 15 May.
>
> Now - a question: anyone here read any of Catherine Asaro's books (either
> her sf or fantasy or both)?
>
> --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what did the elf eat?
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Apr 14 09:39:09 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:39:09 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <y2wecc18001004130747ube2b6b3bjcfd9ca767293264c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F13F06F8A05A4BDA9740AAF401745D51@Michael>

Where art thou Jeff? 

This is true. The author was human after all! In fact, it was the muddle of
inconsistencies that plagued Tollers in his last years, as he attempted to
gel together his entire mythology. His tree had become an endless forest.
Luckily for us we can still see the tree.

Michael 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:48 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
> 
> I think the real answer to this most interesting debate lies in
> the fact
> that the author sheerly did not consider the proposition....if
> he had done
> the same for all of the races ....ie investigate All of their
> agricultural
> practices their would be no room left for plot development.
> jefff
> 
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Edwin Scribner
> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > We've all taken that question on notice, Jeff, and we'll get
> back to you.
> >
> > Another thing you can take on notice: I'll - we'll (meaning
> Rozzie too) -
> > be in thylacine land from 7 to 15 May.
> >
> > Now - a question: anyone here read any of Catherine Asaro's
> books (either
> > her sf or fantasy or both)?
> >
> > --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what
> did the elf eat?
> > jeff
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
> _______________________________________________
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Apr 14 09:59:58 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 09:59:58 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <y2wecc18001004130747ube2b6b3bjcfd9ca767293264c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2lecc18001004120852ke7b4083agce87978ede40dd24@mail.gmail.com>	<146750.13341.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
	<y2wecc18001004130747ube2b6b3bjcfd9ca767293264c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BC5057E.5010404@roots-boots.net>

Jeff Lynch wrote:

Succinct, pertinent and exactly what I thought was the case.

cheers,
David

> I think the real answer to this most interesting debate lies in the fact
> that the author sheerly did not consider the proposition....if he had done
> the same for all of the races ....ie investigate All of their agricultural
> practices their would be no room left for plot development.
> jefff
>
> On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Edwin Scribner<krenon at y7mail.com>  wrote:
>
>> We've all taken that question on notice, Jeff, and we'll get back to you.
>>
>> Another thing you can take on notice: I'll - we'll (meaning Rozzie too) -
>> be in thylacine land from 7 to 15 May.
>>
>> Now - a question: anyone here read any of Catherine Asaro's books (either
>> her sf or fantasy or both)?
>>
>> --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>> Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what did the elf eat?
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>   _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
>> List at tolharndor.org
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 01:17:13 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 17:17:13 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <F13F06F8A05A4BDA9740AAF401745D51@Michael>
References: <y2wecc18001004130747ube2b6b3bjcfd9ca767293264c@mail.gmail.com>
	<F13F06F8A05A4BDA9740AAF401745D51@Michael>
Message-ID: <i2kecc18001004140817i3cab10c8ga4e0a8eefe341cae@mail.gmail.com>

ART IN A PLACE CALLED Semmering MICHAEL.
in der Sud Alpine of Austria...about 3 hours from Vienna by train...in a
flashwhile my money holds.
It,s called a Kurhotel....I dinnae know what that was.....but it is one of
those massage and sauna thingos.....
A bit like as in Thomas Manne in his book The Magic Mountain ...circa 1936
or 8......Manne was German...ja.
Ta too for David....a sensible fellow.
love Jeff

On Wed, Apr 14, 2010 at 1:39 AM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Where art thou Jeff?
>
> This is true. The author was human after all! In fact, it was the muddle of
> inconsistencies that plagued Tollers in his last years, as he attempted to
> gel together his entire mythology. His tree had become an endless forest.
> Luckily for us we can still see the tree.
>
> Michael
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> > bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> > Sent: Wednesday, 14 April 2010 12:48 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
> >
> > I think the real answer to this most interesting debate lies in
> > the fact
> > that the author sheerly did not consider the proposition....if
> > he had done
> > the same for all of the races ....ie investigate All of their
> > agricultural
> > practices their would be no room left for plot development.
> > jefff
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 10:28 PM, Edwin Scribner
> > <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > We've all taken that question on notice, Jeff, and we'll get
> > back to you.
> > >
> > > Another thing you can take on notice: I'll - we'll (meaning
> > Rozzie too) -
> > > be in thylacine land from 7 to 15 May.
> > >
> > > Now - a question: anyone here read any of Catherine Asaro's
> > books (either
> > > her sf or fantasy or both)?
> > >
> > > --- On Tue, 13/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Yeah Michael we all know that your'e not an elf...but what
> > did the elf eat?
> > > jeff
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >  _______________________________________________
> > > List mailing list
> > > List at tolharndor.org
> > > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> > >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
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> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Apr 15 08:01:38 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 15:01:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <i2kecc18001004140817i3cab10c8ga4e0a8eefe341cae@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <541175.56550.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I thought it was Thomas Mann (sic), unlike eg drummer Shelly Manne, and the Wikipedia agrees with me. Not that it matters much - more important is that you can still get messages through the lines. Auf wiedersehen.


--- On Thu, 15/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


ART IN A PLACE CALLED Semmering MICHAEL.
in der Sud Alpine of Austria...about 3 hours from Vienna by train...in a
flashwhile my money holds.
It,s called a Kurhotel....I dinnae know what that was.....but it is one of
those massage and sauna thingos.....
A bit like as in Thomas Manne in his book The Magic Mountain ...circa 1936
or 8......Manne was German...ja.
Ta too for David....a sensible fellow.
love Jeff





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Apr 15 18:51:48 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 10:51:48 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien in the Kitchen
In-Reply-To: <541175.56550.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <i2kecc18001004140817i3cab10c8ga4e0a8eefe341cae@mail.gmail.com>
	<541175.56550.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <k2lecc18001004150151h686b0cd2n627c4230ac719efa@mail.gmail.com>

Ach so you are correct Ted....so I find that often is the case....mais I
have read some of it recently......I do...what I can....even tho German
eludes me at times.
Yep Ted I also dig Shelley the drummer and also the other Shelley who
marched to a different drum.
jeff

On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 12:01 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I thought it was Thomas Mann (sic), unlike eg drummer Shelly Manne, and the
> Wikipedia agrees with me. Not that it matters much - more important is that
> you can still get messages through the lines. Auf wiedersehen.
>
>
> --- On Thu, 15/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> ART IN A PLACE CALLED Semmering MICHAEL.
> in der Sud Alpine of Austria...about 3 hours from Vienna by train...in a
> flashwhile my money holds.
> It,s called a Kurhotel....I dinnae know what that was.....but it is one of
> those massage and sauna thingos.....
> A bit like as in Thomas Manne in his book The Magic Mountain ...circa 1936
> or 8......Manne was German...ja.
> Ta too for David....a sensible fellow.
> love Jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Apr 16 10:05:49 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:05:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <k2lecc18001004150151h686b0cd2n627c4230ac719efa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <431079.88574.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

As you may have heard on this morning's news, airports in Britain, Europe and Scandinavia were closed due to volcanic ash in the air.

>From a "spaceweather.com" bulletin:

>A cloud of ash from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano is drifting
across Europe this week and causing sunsets of surpassing beauty.

By the time they pronounce the name of that volcano the cloud will have gone. 

:)

Ted



      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Fri Apr 16 14:44:40 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 14:44:40 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <431079.88574.qm@web110208.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <815C2B98D2C04FFB8FADCA4036D80DBB@Michael>

It would at least provide the stranded passengers in Europe a challenge.
Apparently the name describes the small mountains at the base of the
volcano. I can see that.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:06 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sorry,Snorri (but your language is a
> tongue-twister).
> 
> As you may have heard on this morning's news, airports in
> Britain, Europe and Scandinavia were closed due to volcanic ash
> in the air.
> 
> >From a "spaceweather.com" bulletin:
> 
> >A cloud of ash from Iceland's Eyjafjallajokull volcano is
> drifting
> across Europe this week and causing sunsets of surpassing
> beauty.
> 
> By the time they pronounce the name of that volcano the cloud
> will have gone.
> 
> :)
> 
> Ted
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Apr 16 17:16:24 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 00:16:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <815C2B98D2C04FFB8FADCA4036D80DBB@Michael>
Message-ID: <892153.82412.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Michael, do you really think that the stranded passengers in Europe want a challenge? I think they might want a drink, a feed and comfortable accommodation for the night(s). Just as well there were no planes in 3019 of the third age of Middle-Earth. If there had been, Sauron's dying thought might have been "I hope those buggers have to sleep for three nights in the airports!"

Hm ... I wonder how those Eagles got on in volcanic dust. But then they're superduperbirds.

--- On Fri, 16/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

It would at least provide the stranded passengers in Europe a challenge.
Apparently the name describes the small mountains at the base of the
volcano. I can see that.





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Apr 17 01:28:11 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 17:28:11 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a 	tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <892153.82412.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <815C2B98D2C04FFB8FADCA4036D80DBB@Michael>
	<892153.82412.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <q2necc18001004160828hcf5b3ed4t958e7cbb0e5c61d7@mail.gmail.com>

ah ted,
You have forgotten the Eagle flights......
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Apr 17 18:37:32 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 01:37:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a  tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <q2necc18001004160828hcf5b3ed4t958e7cbb0e5c61d7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <100769.20478.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Those Eagles didn't have jet engines. Perhaps the volcanic ash didn't affect them. In any case we read nothing of ash coming from the erupting Amon Amarth. However, a vulcanologist I'm not.

--- On Sat, 17/4/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

ah ted,
You have forgotten the Eagle flights......
jeff




      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Apr 17 20:57:32 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:57:32 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a  tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <100769.20478.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <100769.20478.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BC9941C.30305@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Those Eagles didn't have jet engines. Perhaps the volcanic ash didn't affect them.
 > In any case we read nothing of ash coming from the erupting Amon 
Amarth. However,
 > a vulcanologist I'm not.

The ash might make them cough a bit, but that'd be it.

As for 'vulcanologist' ... would that be the correct word? Vulcanologist 
implies Earth, it's a planet specific term.

cheers,
David


>
> --- On Sat, 17/4/10, Jeff Lynch<jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
> ah ted,
> You have forgotten the Eagle flights......
> jeff
>
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Apr 18 06:24:45 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 20:24:45 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] dryad Opa dryad
Message-ID: <839593.40429.qm@web24603.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

http://sites.google.com/site/7erudnc/hfai6x


      



From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 18 07:02:07 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:02:07 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a  tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <4BC9941C.30305@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <46356.17461.qm@web110202.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

According to Tolkien, Middle-Earth was Earth, it was just that the time was mythical. Also I've read reference to volcanic activity on Io (the Jovian satellite) so apparently in some circles the term is not Earth-centric. However, I do allow that nowhere in LotR or any other of Tolkien's writing is Orodruin referred to as a volcano.

--- On Sat, 17/4/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Those Eagles didn't have jet engines. Perhaps the volcanic ash didn't affect them.
 > In any case we read nothing of ash coming from the erupting Amon 
Amarth. However,
 > a vulcanologist I'm not.

The ash might make them cough a bit, but that'd be it.

As for 'vulcanologist' ... would that be the correct word? Vulcanologist 
implies Earth, it's a planet specific term.





      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Apr 18 07:09:55 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 17 Apr 2010 14:09:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] dryad Opa dryad
Message-ID: <787120.30290.qm@web110203.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Is this spam or am I missing something?

Ted

--- On Sun, 18/4/10, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:


http://sites.google.com/site/7erudnc/hfai6x


? ? ? 



      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sun Apr 18 13:00:23 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 13:00:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] dryad Opa dryad
In-Reply-To: <839593.40429.qm@web24603.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <839593.40429.qm@web24603.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4BCA75C7.4060708@roots-boots.net>

dryad wrote:
> http://sites.google.com/site/7erudnc/hfai6x

This is spam ... I checked one link .. it's a Canadian site selling viagra.

I checked the header info with the post and it is coming from Dryad's 
ISP, but can't go any further since she's using yahoo email.

Possibly someone has hacked into her account. If you see this Dryad ... 
CHANGE YOUR PASSWORD NOW!!!!!

cheers,
David

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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Apr 18 19:38:21 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 19:38:21 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Sorry,
	Snorri (but your language is a tongue-twister).
In-Reply-To: <892153.82412.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <133A5284B1874C08A20357DF70FF2EA0@Michael>

You're probably right - they have enough challenges at the moment. 

As for they eagles they would have just have navigated around it I'm sure.
No problems!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 5:16 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Sorry,Snorri (but your language is a
> tongue-twister).
> 
> Michael, do you really think that the stranded passengers in
> Europe want a challenge? I think they might want a drink, a
> feed and comfortable accommodation for the night(s). Just as
> well there were no planes in 3019 of the third age of Middle-
> Earth. If there had been, Sauron's dying thought might have
> been "I hope those buggers have to sleep for three nights in
> the airports!"
> 
> Hm ... I wonder how those Eagles got on in volcanic dust. But
> then they're superduperbirds.
> 
> --- On Fri, 16/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> It would at least provide the stranded passengers in Europe a
> challenge.
> Apparently the name describes the small mountains at the base
> of the
> volcano. I can see that.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Mon Apr 19 22:19:58 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 12:19:58 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] spammed by Canadians
Message-ID: <336342.62807.qm@web24616.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Thanks for letting me know. What CRAP! Sorry everyone. 

Now I have to get with my professional contacts as well!.? How embarrassing.

shamed,
dryad



      

From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 10:56:01 2010
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 10:56:01 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
Message-ID: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
(so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested to
hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
get it in. Here's the website:

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2

Cheers,
Peter

From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Apr 21 11:49:36 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 18:49:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <418925.74312.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I had a look at that. They don't list the chapters, unless it is that something is wrong with my connection. I just get the message "Table 'mcbooks_mainsite.products' doesn't exist" when I click on what should be the "table of contents and excerpts". However
http://lingwe.blogspot.com/2010/02/publication-of-middle-earth-minstrel.html
gives a full list of the chapters including Peter's which has the title:

?fre me strongode longa?: Songs of Exile in the Mortal Realms

Lots of other stuff on that page too. This blogger is obviously mad on Tolkien.

Anyone who finds a local source selling the book please post here.

--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

Hi folks,

I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
(so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested to
hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
get it in. Here's the website:

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2

Cheers,
Peter




      

From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 21 12:43:43 2010
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 12:43:43 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <418925.74312.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
	<418925.74312.qm@web110215.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <i2m8747777b1004201943xd463e402wd92c956b6bcecaf8@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I noticed that just after I posted my last email.

The blogger has a right to be keen about the book given that he's a
participant!

It's not a bad cover but the Middle-English 'sumer is i cumen in', I find
one of the most annoying lyrics in the entire literary corpus. Maybe that's
just me though :P

P

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> I had a look at that. They don't list the chapters, unless it is that
> something is wrong with my connection. I just get the message "Table
> 'mcbooks_mainsite.products' doesn't exist" when I click on what should be
> the "table of contents and excerpts". However
>
> http://lingwe.blogspot.com/2010/02/publication-of-middle-earth-minstrel.html
> gives a full list of the chapters including Peter's which has the title:
>
> ?fre me strongode longa?: Songs of Exile in the Mortal Realms
>
> Lots of other stuff on that page too. This blogger is obviously mad on
> Tolkien.
>
> Anyone who finds a local source selling the book please post here.
>
> --- On Wed, 21/4/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested
> to
> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
> get it in. Here's the website:
>
> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Apr 21 15:47:42 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 15:47:42 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <i2m8747777b1004201943xd463e402wd92c956b6bcecaf8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5C64A76937BA4AF286A00D372CBC334F@Michael>

That's fantastic Peter - well done! I'd like to get my hands on a copy, and
its probably a better deal buying it through Amazon. 

Incidentally, Borders now have an online Australian site where delivery is
free. I discovered this the other day when ordering a book.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Peter Wilkin
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 April 2010 12:44 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
> 
> Yes, I noticed that just after I posted my last email.
> 
> The blogger has a right to be keen about the book given that
> he's a
> participant!
> 
> It's not a bad cover but the Middle-English 'sumer is i cumen
> in', I find
> one of the most annoying lyrics in the entire literary corpus.
> Maybe that's
> just me though :P
> 
> P
> 
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Edwin Scribner
> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > I had a look at that. They don't list the chapters, unless it
> is that
> > something is wrong with my connection. I just get the message
> "Table
> > 'mcbooks_mainsite.products' doesn't exist" when I click on
> what should be
> > the "table of contents and excerpts". However
> >
> > http://lingwe.blogspot.com/2010/02/publication-of-middle-
> earth-minstrel.html
> > gives a full list of the chapters including Peter's which has
> the title:
> >
> > ?fre me strongode longa?: Songs of Exile in the Mortal Realms
> >
> > Lots of other stuff on that page too. This blogger is
> obviously mad on
> > Tolkien.
> >
> > Anyone who finds a local source selling the book please post
> here.
> >
> > --- On Wed, 21/4/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention
> that a new
> > book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth
> Minstrel'. The
> > whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between
> Tolkien and music
> > (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd
> be interested
> > to
> > hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm
> not sure
> > whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger
> libraries will
> > get it in. Here's the website:
> >
> > http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Peter
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Apr 21 17:14:34 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 00:14:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <567996.60524.qm@web110201.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

"Behold your music! This is your minstrelsy."
- Eru to the Ainur at the completion of the Ainulindale, after the Substance of the Great Music was revealed.

Ave Saint Cecilia!

--- On Wed, 21/4/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:


Hi folks,

I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
(so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested to
hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
get it in. Here's the website:

http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Apr 22 00:21:07 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2010 16:21:07 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <w2qecc18001004210721p88f36b8etc4c94edb858124df@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Peter,
we will look out for it ...
jeff

frrom a place called Mariazell in Austria
high in der mountains

On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 2:56 AM, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested
> to
> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
> get it in. Here's the website:
>
> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
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>

From ninth at tpg.com.au  Thu Apr 22 19:39:48 2010
From: ninth at tpg.com.au (Leon Wild)
Date: Thu, 22 Apr 2010 19:39:48 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BD01964.8050809@tpg.com.au>

Well done Peter, this sounds excellent!

So, what's your thoughts on Tolkien-esque rap music?

I'd send a link on from youtube but possibly not work-safe. (eep).

best,
Leon



Peter Wilkin wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and music
> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested to
> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
> get it in. Here's the website:
>
> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
> _______________________________________________
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From pwilkin37 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 23 16:10:08 2010
From: pwilkin37 at gmail.com (Peter Wilkin)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:10:08 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <4BD01964.8050809@tpg.com.au>
References: <x2p8747777b1004201756s21224ef1k78f781aacc2142e0@mail.gmail.com>
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lol, several years ago I actually did look at alot of different types of
Tolkienesque music. I don't remember hearing any rap, but there's definitely
heaps of heavy metal/gothica stuff out there. Personally, I think it's very
unTolkienien (but that's maybe because I don't like that stuff anyway) . I
prefer some of the stuff from the Tolkien Ensemble - though even that's very
hit and miss. Have you come across much?

P

On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Leon Wild <ninth at tpg.com.au> wrote:

> Well done Peter, this sounds excellent!
>
> So, what's your thoughts on Tolkien-esque rap music?
>
> I'd send a link on from youtube but possibly not work-safe. (eep).
>
> best,
> Leon
>
>
>
> Peter Wilkin wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
>> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
>> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and
>> music
>> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested
>> to
>> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
>> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
>> get it in. Here's the website:
>>
>> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Apr 24 09:53:48 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:53:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <m2k8747777b1004222310k51cb26bfx551911f0ec338c70@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <135217.80558.qm@web110207.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I think it's a very hard call to identify music that is truly Tolkien, or even truly LotR. Dare I mention again Leslie Fish's "Fellowship Going South"? It was much acclaimed when she first wrote and sang it, perhaps because it opened up the formerly rather narrow confines of the "filk" (usually rude and facetious). I like it but not so much for its relevance to LotR, and I think that applies to various other music. I presume that Tolkien himself would have liked music from Saxon and Viking times but you don't hear it much, even on ABC Classic FM. Can you recommend any recorded music of this genre, Peter?

I recall that, at the seminar in 2007 (?) Chris Crawshaw actually praised "LotR the Musical". Anyone here heard the music from that?

--- On Fri, 23/4/10, Peter Wilkin <pwilkin37 at gmail.com> wrote:


lol, several years ago I actually did look at alot of different types of
Tolkienesque music. I don't remember hearing any rap, but there's definitely
heaps of heavy metal/gothica stuff out there. Personally, I think it's very
unTolkienien (but that's maybe because I don't like that stuff anyway) . I
prefer some of the stuff from the Tolkien Ensemble - though even that's very
hit and miss. Have you come across much?





      

From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sat Apr 24 11:24:39 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 01:24:39 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien music
In-Reply-To: <4BA69942.6050306@tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <206926.16769.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com>


By far and away the best music I have heard is from the Tolkien Ensemble out of Denmark. An Evening in Rivendell is the best of these 3 they have made. Highly recommended over anything Glass Menagerie or others have recorded. I am a bit keen to heatr Loreena McKennit tho. Rumour has it she had some recordings as well?
?
here Evening is on Amazon:
http://www.amazon.com/Evening-Rivendell-Morten-Ernst-Lassen/dp/B0000267TK/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272071939&sr=8-2-spell
?
A Night in Rivendell is good too, but my fav is still Evening:
http://www.amazon.com/Night-Rivendell-Morten-Ernst-Lassen/dp/B00004TY82/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=music&qid=1272071991&sr=1-1
?
Honestly, don't bother with the one that has Christopher Lee on the cover: At Dawn in Rivendell. Compared to the other 2 it quite frankly falls quite a bit short.
?
dryad aka Elise


      

From ninth at tpg.com.au  Sat Apr 24 11:33:17 2010
From: ninth at tpg.com.au (Leon Wild)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 11:33:17 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <m2k8747777b1004222310k51cb26bfx551911f0ec338c70@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4BD24A5D.2080701@tpg.com.au>

Hi Peter, all -

I haven't really done much delving for this stuff at all but there's an 
"Orc metal" band called Za Frumi who sing in black speech who I find amusing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_Frumi

I'd rather sit through almost any heavy metal or worse Tolkienesque 
songs than Leonard Nimoy's 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins ' though - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04

There's a certain amount of 'nerd-core' rap  versions with LOTR themes, 
a persistent on youtube are called Lord of the Rhymes but - be warned of 
strong language before watching.

best,
Leon


Peter Wilkin wrote:
> lol, several years ago I actually did look at alot of different types of
> Tolkienesque music. I don't remember hearing any rap, but there's definitely
> heaps of heavy metal/gothica stuff out there. Personally, I think it's very
> unTolkienien (but that's maybe because I don't like that stuff anyway) . I
> prefer some of the stuff from the Tolkien Ensemble - though even that's very
> hit and miss. Have you come across much?
>
> P
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Leon Wild <ninth at tpg.com.au> wrote:
>
>   
>> Well done Peter, this sounds excellent!
>>
>> So, what's your thoughts on Tolkien-esque rap music?
>>
>> I'd send a link on from youtube but possibly not work-safe. (eep).
>>
>> best,
>> Leon
>>
>>
>>
>> Peter Wilkin wrote:
>>
>>     
>>> Hi folks,
>>>
>>> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and mention that a new
>>> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth Minstrel'. The
>>> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between Tolkien and
>>> music
>>> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd be interested
>>> to
>>> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it. I'm not sure
>>> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger libraries will
>>> get it in. Here's the website:
>>>
>>> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Peter
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sat Apr 24 12:23:43 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:23:43 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <4BD24A5D.2080701@tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <ED1227EAD9E04B63914F29CA6180C161@Michael>

Hi All,

In my mind there are two broad groups of Tolkien-related music. There's the
music that is part and parcel of his two major works - LOtR and The
Silmarillion. Then there's the 'inspired' music that people have produced,
in much the same way that people have written 'Tolkien' fan fiction.

The 'art' music that occurs in his works and how we as the reader hear it is
sublimely subjective, just as are our own interpretations of what the
characters and geography look like. 
However, it shouldn't be forgotten that Tolkien had his own interpretation
of how many of the songs should sound. While the music of Donald Swann is
not everyone's cup of tea, its probably the only music that Tolkien ever
approved of. Not all of it - he did have a problem with Swann's version of
Namarie, Galadriel's Farewell in Lorien, which Tolkien imagined to be more
along the lines of a Gregorian chant. Nevertheless, Swann's work shouldn't
be underestimated. 

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Leon Wild
> Sent: Saturday, 24 April 2010 11:33 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
> 
> Hi Peter, all -
> 
> I haven't really done much delving for this stuff at all but
> there's an
> "Orc metal" band called Za Frumi who sing in black speech who I
> find amusing
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_Frumi
> 
> I'd rather sit through almost any heavy metal or worse
> Tolkienesque
> songs than Leonard Nimoy's 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins ' though -
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04
> 
> There's a certain amount of 'nerd-core' rap  versions with LOTR
> themes,
> a persistent on youtube are called Lord of the Rhymes but - be
> warned of
> strong language before watching.
> 
> best,
> Leon
> 
> 
> Peter Wilkin wrote:
> > lol, several years ago I actually did look at alot of
> different types of
> > Tolkienesque music. I don't remember hearing any rap, but
> there's definitely
> > heaps of heavy metal/gothica stuff out there. Personally, I
> think it's very
> > unTolkienien (but that's maybe because I don't like that
> stuff anyway) . I
> > prefer some of the stuff from the Tolkien Ensemble - though
> even that's very
> > hit and miss. Have you come across much?
> >
> > P
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 22, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Leon Wild <ninth at tpg.com.au>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >> Well done Peter, this sounds excellent!
> >>
> >> So, what's your thoughts on Tolkien-esque rap music?
> >>
> >> I'd send a link on from youtube but possibly not work-safe.
> (eep).
> >>
> >> best,
> >> Leon
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter Wilkin wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>> Hi folks,
> >>>
> >>> I'll take this opportunity for shameless spruking and
> mention that a new
> >>> book has been published by McFarland called 'Middle-Earth
> Minstrel'. The
> >>> whole thing is meant to be about the relationship between
> Tolkien and
> >>> music
> >>> (so I gather). At any rate I have a chapter in it - and I'd
> be interested
> >>> to
> >>> hear thoughts if anyone manages to get their hands on it.
> I'm not sure
> >>> whether it will be in book shops, but hopefully the bigger
> libraries will
> >>> get it in. Here's the website:
> >>>
> >>> http://www.mcfarlandpub.com/book-2.php?id=978-0-7864-4814-2
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Peter
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 08:34:46 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:34:46 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor]  Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <206926.16769.qm@web24607.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <290423.8786.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

I came across this piece of conversation in LotR. It reminded me of Blackheath.

-------------------------

"Your land must be a realm of peace and content, and there must gardeners be in high honour."

"Not all is well there, but certainly gardeners are honoured."

"But folk must grow weary there, even in their gardens, as do all things under the Sun of this world."

-------------------------

Coincidentally, the land referred to, the Shire, was what my previous place of abode was called by locals. I think there are at least three shires in Greater Sydney, but Sutherland Shire claims the right to call itself "The Shire" (a right that has not necessarily been granted to it by the other shires).

- Herendil

- Member, Blackheath Rhododendron Society
- Member, Blackheath and District Horticultural Society
- Member (social only), Blackheath Golf Club (and I point out to Jeff that, while he believes steadfastly that Hobbits played cricket, in fact the only ball game actually mentioned in Tolkien's writings about the Shire was golf - and that, one suspects, was with tongue in cheek).




      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 10:36:06 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:36:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Mainly for Jeff - Mars
In-Reply-To: <ED1227EAD9E04B63914F29CA6180C161@Michael>
Message-ID: <348866.703.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

http://www.ted.com/talks/joel_levine.html

It's worth a look.



      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Apr 26 12:10:41 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:10:41 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <290423.8786.qm@web110206.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <343220B8409246458A541B82829E04C3@Michael>

Did you also meet Galadriel in the forest? I'm assuming this is a
conversation between her and Sam.

I need to find a similar passage that encapsulates Figtree.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Monday, 26 April 2010 8:35 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> I came across this piece of conversation in LotR. It reminded
> me of Blackheath.
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> "Your land must be a realm of peace and content, and there must
> gardeners be in high honour."
> 
> "Not all is well there, but certainly gardeners are honoured."
> 
> "But folk must grow weary there, even in their gardens, as do
> all things under the Sun of this world."
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> Coincidentally, the land referred to, the Shire, was what my
> previous place of abode was called by locals. I think there are
> at least three shires in Greater Sydney, but Sutherland Shire
> claims the right to call itself "The Shire" (a right that has
> not necessarily been granted to it by the other shires).
> 
> - Herendil
> 
> - Member, Blackheath Rhododendron Society
> - Member, Blackheath and District Horticultural Society
> - Member (social only), Blackheath Golf Club (and I point out
> to Jeff that, while he believes steadfastly that Hobbits played
> cricket, in fact the only ball game actually mentioned in
> Tolkien's writings about the Shire was golf - and that, one
> suspects, was with tongue in cheek).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 14:04:17 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 21:04:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <343220B8409246458A541B82829E04C3@Michael>
Message-ID: <649764.22161.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>


I thought you and some of the others subbed here would
know it - though I suspect that had you quoted it before a few days ago
I might not have recognised it. No, it's not between Galadriel and Sam,
it's between Faramir and Frodo, in Henneth Annun. 



Hm ... Figtree? I don't have any of the feeling for Figtree that I've acquired from my several years here at Blackheath. What do the locals do on weekends? What, for that matter, do they do at other times? I know three writers that live there and that's about it except for you and Merry. Fig trees are "spreading" trees so I presume they would be called galadh. This of course suggests the environment of Caras Galadhon as a place to look for the passege you'd like to find.

--- On Mon, 26/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

Did you also meet Galadriel in the forest? I'm assuming this is a
conversation between her and Sam.

I need to find a similar passage that encapsulates Figtree.

> -----Original Message-----

> I came across this piece of conversation in LotR. It reminded
> me of Blackheath.
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> "Your land must be a realm of peace and content, and there must
> gardeners be in high honour."
> 
> "Not all is well there, but certainly gardeners are honoured."
> 
> "But folk must grow weary there, even in their gardens, as do
> all things under the Sun of this world."
> 
> -------------------------
> 
> Coincidentally, the land referred to, the Shire, was what my
> previous place of abode was called by locals. I think there are
> at least three shires in Greater Sydney, but Sutherland Shire
> claims the right to call itself "The Shire" (a right that has
> not necessarily been granted to it by the other shires).
> 
> - Herendil
> 
> - Member, Blackheath Rhododendron Society
> - Member, Blackheath and District Horticultural Society
> - Member (social only), Blackheath Golf Club (and I point out
> to Jeff that, while he believes steadfastly that Hobbits played
> cricket, in fact the only ball game actually mentioned in
> Tolkien's writings about the Shire was golf - and that, one
> suspects, was with tongue in cheek).




      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Apr 26 15:10:17 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:10:17 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <649764.22161.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C5D2919762974C3EA025C9CE04132865@Michael>

I had a feeling I didn't have it right. It's coming back to me now.

As for Figtree, it's singular for a reason - there's only one. At least only
one that I know of, but it's a magnificent tree and it just happens to live
at the end of our street where I see it every day. The original figtree that
the town is named after is no longer standing. 

The locals tend to drive down to Nth Wollongong beach. :-)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Monday, 26 April 2010 2:04 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> 
> I thought you and some of the others subbed here would
> know it - though I suspect that had you quoted it before a few
> days ago
> I might not have recognised it. No, it's not between Galadriel
> and Sam,
> it's between Faramir and Frodo, in Henneth Annun.
> 
> 
> 
> Hm ... Figtree? I don't have any of the feeling for Figtree
> that I've acquired from my several years here at Blackheath.
> What do the locals do on weekends? What, for that matter, do
> they do at other times? I know three writers that live there
> and that's about it except for you and Merry. Fig trees are
> "spreading" trees so I presume they would be called galadh.
> This of course suggests the environment of Caras Galadhon as a
> place to look for the passege you'd like to find.
> 
> --- On Mon, 26/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> Did you also meet Galadriel in the forest? I'm assuming this is
> a
> conversation between her and Sam.
> 
> I need to find a similar passage that encapsulates Figtree.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> 
> > I came across this piece of conversation in LotR. It reminded
> > me of Blackheath.
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > "Your land must be a realm of peace and content, and there
> must
> > gardeners be in high honour."
> >
> > "Not all is well there, but certainly gardeners are
> honoured."
> >
> > "But folk must grow weary there, even in their gardens, as do
> > all things under the Sun of this world."
> >
> > -------------------------
> >
> > Coincidentally, the land referred to, the Shire, was what my
> > previous place of abode was called by locals. I think there
> are
> > at least three shires in Greater Sydney, but Sutherland Shire
> > claims the right to call itself "The Shire" (a right that has
> > not necessarily been granted to it by the other shires).
> >
> > - Herendil
> >
> > - Member, Blackheath Rhododendron Society
> > - Member, Blackheath and District Horticultural Society
> > - Member (social only), Blackheath Golf Club (and I point out
> > to Jeff that, while he believes steadfastly that Hobbits
> played
> > cricket, in fact the only ball game actually mentioned in
> > Tolkien's writings about the Shire was golf - and that, one
> > suspects, was with tongue in cheek).
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 17:22:33 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 00:22:33 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <C5D2919762974C3EA025C9CE04132865@Michael>
Message-ID: <47424.43535.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Ah! The Party Tree! Well, Michael, you'll just have to have a party there! Suggest you contact Cat Sparks. She's a real party woman.

--- On Mon, 26/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

I had a feeling I didn't have it right. It's coming back to me now.

As for Figtree, it's singular for a reason - there's only one. At least only
one that I know of, but it's a magnificent tree and it just happens to live
at the end of our street where I see it every day. The original figtree that
the town is named after is no longer standing. 

The locals tend to drive down to Nth Wollongong beach. :-)





      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Apr 26 18:51:24 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 01:51:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Middle-Earth Minstrel
In-Reply-To: <4BD24A5D.2080701@tpg.com.au>
Message-ID: <496462.49313.qm@web110205.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>

Strong language? Do you mean "occasional coarse language"? Or, in the words of Kevin Rudd: "robust language"? Oh I think we're all old enough to bear that as required. :)

However I don't recall any "coarse language" in the Black Speech from LotR. I'd be interested to hear some. I imagine that Sauron may have used some in the seconds after Gollum fell into the Crack of Doom and before the Barad Dur collapsed.

--- On Sat, 24/4/10, Leon Wild <ninth at tpg.com.au> wrote:

Hi Peter, all -

I haven't really done much delving for this stuff at all but there's an 
"Orc metal" band called Za Frumi who sing in black speech who I find amusing
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Za_Frumi

I'd rather sit through almost any heavy metal or worse Tolkienesque 
songs than Leonard Nimoy's 'Ballad of Bilbo Baggins ' though - 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XC73PHdQX04

There's a certain amount of 'nerd-core' rap? versions with LOTR themes, 
a persistent on youtube are called Lord of the Rhymes but - be warned of 
strong language before watching.

best,
Leon





      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Tue Apr 27 14:40:49 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:40:49 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <47424.43535.qm@web110210.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CADE3D96CE19453A98630BA895F02C8C@Michael>

It does resemble the Party Tree actually. I'm not sure the local council
would be impressed if I raised a marquee. 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, 26 April 2010 5:23 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> Ah! The Party Tree! Well, Michael, you'll just have to have a
> party there! Suggest you contact Cat Sparks. She's a real party
> woman.
> 
> --- On Mon, 26/4/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> I had a feeling I didn't have it right. It's coming back to me
> now.
> 
> As for Figtree, it's singular for a reason - there's only one.
> At least only
> one that I know of, but it's a magnificent tree and it just
> happens to live
> at the end of our street where I see it every day. The original
> figtree that
> the town is named after is no longer standing.
> 
> The locals tend to drive down to Nth Wollongong beach. :-)
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 21:47:55 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:47:55 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Mainly for Jeff - Mars und I did
Message-ID: <g2oecc18001004270447s915263a6ve2109bfc465d3f05@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> http://www.ted.com/talks/joel_levine.html
>
> It's worth a look.
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Apr 27 22:06:22 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 14:06:22 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Mainly for Jeff - Mars
In-Reply-To: <348866.703.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
References: <ED1227EAD9E04B63914F29CA6180C161@Michael>
	<348866.703.qm@web110212.mail.gq1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <i2mecc18001004270506ge9cd462v644ce2348379719d@mail.gmail.com>

Dear Ted...I watched this clip and as you promised some or most of it was
terrific info....Tell the truth I was inspired to tackle a tricky piece of
Sci tech in my tale (again) just last night... title.....The Plains of
Tharsis...my third draft......
I have spoken bout it before.
Main premise is that a First voyage by NASA goes AWOL on Mars.......why and
where is a problem.
The Second Team a Euro Space one gets there (second)...I originally called
the story...The Second Team......
Turns out that Air (oxygen to breathe)...or lack of it is the problem with
the NASA group...my problem is too explain how NASA could stuff up on such a
simple thing....
Second basis.......The NASA group and the Second Team on Mars use a
fundementally system...as to air...
Second Team uses an organic based recovery...ie plant life und the NASA
group uses Hydrolisys (SP) electricity into water ......
So I am guessing that the battery banks aboard the NASA ship went Kaput.no
spark no Oxygen..........maybe the Space Radiation had an effect on the
battery banks..They can't turn back...they cannot fix it.......running out
of time....and air.
 ( the Euros)  already sent a drone base.....to their site on The Plains of
Tharsis..and it does produce AIR.........the Euro group sees the Yankee
ship..but no people.
Wha Hap to them......... Well yep they have some gained Oxygen from the
drone base......
So......I am worried that my techo premises are shite..
What say Ted...
jeff
On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> http://www.ted.com/talks/joel_levine.html
>
> It's worth a look.
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Apr 29 23:01:20 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:01:20 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] Coming Mel Moot
Message-ID: <k2xecc18001004290601k30093b5ah4382a14054614546@mail.gmail.com>

Michael...Still in Vienna.......
Have you made contact with the Moot Hotel yet I vunder?
jeff

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