From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Sun Aug  1 00:36:08 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 14:36:08 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <C6A5D45C279D496B83AA81C693DED178@Michael>
Message-ID: <282587.42451.qm@web24601.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Michael, 
?
I love the quote! I use it as a tag. It would be perfect for this seminar. Also, did you receive my abstract?
?
?
Elise

--- On Sat, 31/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


From: Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
To: "'Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society'" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Saturday, 31 July, 2010, 4:06


A fair point actually. The assumption being that one not of Arda would more
than likely not come under the influence of 'earthly' powers. Of course,
Sauron was in existence before Arda so perhaps his influence would be
universal, even multi-universal.

"Not all those who wander are lost" I thought this may be a perfectly apt
quote for the 'Odyssey' Seminar booklet. Would you agree?? ? 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:27 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
> 
> My first reaction to that is that if he was he shouldn't be 
> influenced by Sauron's One Ring. That is, of course, arguable.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 30/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Aug  1 09:06:46 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 09:06:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <C6A5D45C279D496B83AA81C693DED178@Michael>
References: <171137.80957.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<C6A5D45C279D496B83AA81C693DED178@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinQGBTqsuNzJQ1S7W7pp+sDd=t6aBJ3znAMqB2F@mail.gmail.com>

I too like this quote...you often wander Mike but are rarely lost...I too
wander (mostly to Europe..maybe I get a little 'more lost' than do you...but
at least I have a few books out of it.
jeff

On Sat, Jul 31, 2010 at 6:06 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> A fair point actually. The assumption being that one not of Arda would more
> than likely not come under the influence of 'earthly' powers. Of course,
> Sauron was in existence before Arda so perhaps his influence would be
> universal, even multi-universal.
>
> "Not all those who wander are lost" I thought this may be a perfectly apt
> quote for the 'Odyssey' Seminar booklet. Would you agree?
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> > [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> > Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:27 AM
> > To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
>  > Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
> >
> > My first reaction to that is that if he was he shouldn't be
> > influenced by Sauron's One Ring. That is, of course, arguable.
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri, 30/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Aug  2 07:14:35 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:14:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinQGBTqsuNzJQ1S7W7pp+sDd=t6aBJ3znAMqB2F@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <943590.66518.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

I meant to suggest:

Though here at journey's end I lie
In darkness buried deep;
Beyond all towers strong and high,
Beyond all mountains steep,
Above all shadows rides the Sun
And stars forever dwell;
I will not say the day is done
Nor bid the stars farewell.

(Sam in the Tower of Cirith Ungol)

This is, of course, not to detract from Bilbo's poem re Aragorn.

PS speaking of courage: if you didn't follow Jessica Watson's blog as it was written, do yourself a favour and buy the book (but don't pay $35. Dymocks has it for $25.)

--- On Sun, 1/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


I too like this quote...you often wander Mike but are rarely lost...I too
wander (mostly to Europe..maybe I get a little 'more lost' than do you...but
at least I have a few books out of it.
jeff





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 09:09:49 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 09:09:49 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
References: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinU9NYvjsw48jRFuCXchoGV=d6jx2OGBVggoCQ=@mail.gmail.com>

      And Gollum was an Alien.

     And Gollum was an alien a hiding.
     In dark caves neccessarily abiding.
     For why, Earth's sunlight hurt him
     Like a moss he was, because
     His planet was not a Goldilocks.
     It's distance was not part of
     That Golden Mean betwixt
     A frozen place and boiling.

     And Gollum was not from Gaia
     He'd journeyed out... lost his way.
     His life was not his own to call on Earth.
     He soon found darkness...called
     It his friend and other dark things
     Followed fast...a natural thing...
     Light likes light, dark likes dark.
    A prisoner soon without a spark.
     j lynch

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue Aug  3 11:49:12 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 18:49:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinU9NYvjsw48jRFuCXchoGV=d6jx2OGBVggoCQ=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <120870.75872.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

A wonderful poem, Jeff, but if it were true (within the context of Tolkien's secondary universe) it would mess up certain concepts (for me at any rate).

I think that the Ring is "bound by the properties of Arda" (hence Middle Earth) and beyond that it would have no substantial power. Some sf and fantasy writers would probably disagree with me.

--- On Tue, 3/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


? ? ? And Gollum was an Alien.

? ???And Gollum was an alien a hiding.
? ???In dark caves neccessarily abiding.
? ???For why, Earth's sunlight hurt him
? ???Like a moss he was, because
? ???His planet was not a Goldilocks.
? ???It's distance was not part of
? ???That Golden Mean betwixt
? ???A frozen place and boiling.

? ???And Gollum was not from Gaia
? ???He'd journeyed out... lost his way.
? ???His life was not his own to call on Earth.
? ???He soon found darkness...called
? ???It his friend and other dark things
? ???Followed fast...a natural thing...
? ???Light likes light, dark likes dark.
? ? A prisoner soon without a spark.
? ???j lynch




      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug  4 08:35:49 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 08:35:49 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <120870.75872.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTinU9NYvjsw48jRFuCXchoGV=d6jx2OGBVggoCQ=@mail.gmail.com>
	<120870.75872.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_f2DKcs4WBjxWw3oSGLcLOp8JzzJs7eLbPGoE@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Ted...I reckon I agree...with you.
Jeff

On Tue, Aug 3, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> A wonderful poem, Jeff, but if it were true (within the context of
> Tolkien's secondary universe) it would mess up certain concepts (for me at
> any rate).
>
> I think that the Ring is "bound by the properties of Arda" (hence Middle
> Earth) and beyond that it would have no substantial power. Some sf and
> fantasy writers would probably disagree with me.
>
> --- On Tue, 3/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>       And Gollum was an Alien.
>
>      And Gollum was an alien a hiding.
>      In dark caves neccessarily abiding.
>      For why, Earth's sunlight hurt him
>      Like a moss he was, because
>      His planet was not a Goldilocks.
>      It's distance was not part of
>      That Golden Mean betwixt
>      A frozen place and boiling.
>
>      And Gollum was not from Gaia
>      He'd journeyed out... lost his way.
>      His life was not his own to call on Earth.
>      He soon found darkness...called
>      It his friend and other dark things
>      Followed fast...a natural thing...
>      Light likes light, dark likes dark.
>     A prisoner soon without a spark.
>      j lynch
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Aug  7 08:43:58 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 7 Aug 2010 08:43:58 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
References: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin14PAm-poruZhr0F1xYXjyUtm1WMMzgJ_DR8CP@mail.gmail.com>

Michael...I think that I just erased your last message...please repeat.
jeff

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug  7 11:17:29 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 07 Aug 2010 11:17:29 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Fwd: Re:  NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
Message-ID: <4C5CB429.9080407@roots-boots.net>

As requested.

cheers,
List Admin

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:06:13 +1000
From: Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au>
Reply-To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society <list at tolharndor.org>
To: 'Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society' <list at tolharndor.org>

A fair point actually. The assumption being that one not of Arda would more
than likely not come under the influence of 'earthly' powers. Of course,
Sauron was in existence before Arda so perhaps his influence would be
universal, even multi-universal.

"Not all those who wander are lost" I thought this may be a perfectly apt
quote for the 'Odyssey' Seminar booklet. Would you agree?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:27 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
>
> My first reaction to that is that if he was he shouldn't be
> influenced by Sauron's One Ring. That is, of course, arguable.
>
>
> --- On Fri, 30/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>
>



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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 08:46:36 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 08:46:36 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
References: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=1FrhUA+zSMKyVAz0dhVg_S0ENHirzxCc7+Mbn@mail.gmail.com>

Re East Bentleigh etc Mike.......Of course do not be put off my biting about
a long car journey...tis an hour and twenty minutes drive there to EB...it
can be done but far better if it was a lot closer to the north side of
town...My mother in law lived in East Bentleigh...und she was nice lady.
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Aug 11 14:51:13 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor]  Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <171137.80957.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <872036.37328.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Last Monday Ros and I made our way to the Fred Hutley Hall, North Sydney Council Chambers, there to see and hear something of an important modern odyssey. Hutley holds about 120 people. It was nearly full as 2 pm drew near; nearly full mainly with people over 60 - but then what would one expect at 2 pm on a Monday? Nevertheless, the sense of anticipation was high as a small group entered - one being the convenor of the weekly "writers at Stanton (library)" and another his special guest.

Three days before her 17th birthday, Jessica Watson made history by becoming the youngest person ever to sail solo around the world, non stop and (physically) unassisted. She took a little over 200 days and with the skill of an entrepreneur, arrived back in Sydney Harbour on a Saturday - to a tumultuous reception. I had been following her fortunes on her blog and her website where a graphic account had slowly emerged. It's now all in a book, released just a few weeks ago and available now in bookshops around Australia.

She is by no means tough or strong looking and one might wonder at how she could sail solo for even a week or two. Looks can be deceptive. Some of her experiences would make a hero cringe, particularly that terrible night in mid Atlantic where, while not strapped in, she suffered a 360 degree knockdown by a rogue wave that hurled the boat into a trough and then turned it completely over. Neither it nor she emerged unscathed but it is a tribute to both boat and skipper that the damage was not life or voyage threatening.

After all that, a room full of geriatrics was something she handled easily. She was as entertaining as she was charming. I didn't come to mock but I surely stayed to wonder. Others did too, I think, as there was dead silence for her presentation but a clamour for questions at its end, and practically the whole room full wanted to buy the book (if they hadn't already bought one) and get her to sign it. We Aussies love our heroes, and if they're young, female and pretty so much the better.

I pondered on the relationship to Frodo. There was the question of motivation. Frodo was chosen to save the world; Jessica could hardly be held to have saved the world, but in certain subtle ways I do think she has changed it, as does someone who goes a little further than anyone has gone before - the same solo circumnavigation that others have done, but by one who is younger (youngest ever) and female. She made some, who were her detractors at the start, eat the pie of humility while she feasted on accolade and applause sauce.

I came away strangely refreshed, feeling that there were some things that, while not appearing to bestow benevolence on the world, could somehow engender awe and delight, with the feeling that great works are still possible. It was similar (though by no means the same) to the feeling I had on seeing the first men land on the Moon in 1969. Jessica needs a bard to write her a poem similar to Cecil Day Lewis's "Flight to Australia" in which a seemingly futile attempt by two men to fly an old clapped out plane from England to Melbourne became a great work - an odyssey. 

"Long live the young lady - praise her with great praise!"

- Ted





      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Aug 11 16:49:54 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 16:49:54 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
Message-ID: <4C624812.7060200@roots-boots.net>

G'day all,

I'll intrude for a moment into Ted's Jessica Watson fanclub speil. :)

I've had a request for membership via the website from Nicholas 
<ntwelch at gmail.com>. I've replied back to him requesting verification 
and a brief summary of his background and interest in the TH arena ... 
if he replies and his reply is relevant, I'll sub him to the list .. 
unless anyone recognises his email address and knows of a reason not to 
sub him.

BTW Ted .. are you getting a commission from Jessica? :)

cheers,
David
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           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Aug 11 17:21:40 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <4C624812.7060200@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <727646.38895.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Wed, 11/8/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

>G'day all,

>I'll intrude for a moment into Ted's Jessica Watson fanclub speil. :)

Spiel. Form the German word meaning 'game" or various related things (eg Liedspiel)

I've finished. What else can I say?

>I've had a request for membership via the website from Nicholas <ntwelch at gmail.com>.
I've replied back to him requesting verification and a brief summary of
his background and interest in the TH arena ... if he replies and his
reply is relevant, I'll sub him to the list .. unless anyone recognises
his email address and knows of a reason not to sub him.

OK by me. Perhaps watch him at first.

>BTW Ted .. are you getting a commission from Jessica? :)

I wish!!

Ted



      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Aug 11 17:46:36 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:46:36 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <872036.37328.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <52E4BF0D56E34E0DAEFCE8A44680E69A@Michael>

I have no doubt that Jessica would appreciate Ted's tribute pasted on Amazon
or somewhere similar. It worked on me. I'll just have to get her book now.

While the analogies between Frodo's and Jessica's quests are plain to see
there is one distinct difference. Frodo went to destroy a ring...Jessica
made one. ;-) 


> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 2:51 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
> 
> Last Monday Ros and I made our way to the Fred Hutley Hall,
> North Sydney Council Chambers, there to see and hear something
> of an important modern odyssey. Hutley holds about 120 people.
> It was nearly full as 2 pm drew near; nearly full mainly with
> people over 60 - but then what would one expect at 2 pm on a
> Monday? Nevertheless, the sense of anticipation was high as a
> small group entered - one being the convenor of the weekly
> "writers at Stanton (library)" and another his special guest.
> 
> Three days before her 17th birthday, Jessica Watson made
> history by becoming the youngest person ever to sail solo
> around the world, non stop and (physically) unassisted. She
> took a little over 200 days and with the skill of an
> entrepreneur, arrived back in Sydney Harbour on a Saturday - to
> a tumultuous reception. I had been following her fortunes on
> her blog and her website where a graphic account had slowly
> emerged. It's now all in a book, released just a few weeks ago
> and available now in bookshops around Australia.
> 
> She is by no means tough or strong looking and one might wonder
> at how she could sail solo for even a week or two. Looks can be
> deceptive. Some of her experiences would make a hero cringe,
> particularly that terrible night in mid Atlantic where, while
> not strapped in, she suffered a 360 degree knockdown by a rogue
> wave that hurled the boat into a trough and then turned it
> completely over. Neither it nor she emerged unscathed but it is
> a tribute to both boat and skipper that the damage was not life
> or voyage threatening.
> 
> After all that, a room full of geriatrics was something she
> handled easily. She was as entertaining as she was charming. I
> didn't come to mock but I surely stayed to wonder. Others did
> too, I think, as there was dead silence for her presentation
> but a clamour for questions at its end, and practically the
> whole room full wanted to buy the book (if they hadn't already
> bought one) and get her to sign it. We Aussies love our heroes,
> and if they're young, female and pretty so much the better.
> 
> I pondered on the relationship to Frodo. There was the question
> of motivation. Frodo was chosen to save the world; Jessica
> could hardly be held to have saved the world, but in certain
> subtle ways I do think she has changed it, as does someone who
> goes a little further than anyone has gone before - the same
> solo circumnavigation that others have done, but by one who is
> younger (youngest ever) and female. She made some, who were her
> detractors at the start, eat the pie of humility while she
> feasted on accolade and applause sauce.
> 
> I came away strangely refreshed, feeling that there were some
> things that, while not appearing to bestow benevolence on the
> world, could somehow engender awe and delight, with the feeling
> that great works are still possible. It was similar (though by
> no means the same) to the feeling I had on seeing the first men
> land on the Moon in 1969. Jessica needs a bard to write her a
> poem similar to Cecil Day Lewis's "Flight to Australia" in
> which a seemingly futile attempt by two men to fly an old
> clapped out plane from England to Melbourne became a great work
> - an odyssey.
> 
> "Long live the young lady - praise her with great praise!"
> 
> - Ted
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Aug 11 17:48:13 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 17:48:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <4C624812.7060200@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <9B930EC0C9CF4A5A9F5433864917F355@Michael>

Thanks David. Keep us posted, and if he is based in Melbourne please tell
him about the Seminar. Which reminds me - are you going to Melbourne?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 4:50 PM
> To: list at tolharndor.org
> Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
> 
> G'day all,
> 
> I'll intrude for a moment into Ted's Jessica Watson fanclub
> speil. :)
> 
> I've had a request for membership via the website from Nicholas
> <ntwelch at gmail.com>. I've replied back to him requesting
> verification
> and a brief summary of his background and interest in the TH
> arena ...
> if he replies and his reply is relevant, I'll sub him to the
> list ..
> unless anyone recognises his email address and knows of a
> reason not to
> sub him.
> 
> BTW Ted .. are you getting a commission from Jessica? :)
> 
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history &
> more!
>       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for
> it
>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
> its
>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Aug 11 19:05:55 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 02:05:55 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <52E4BF0D56E34E0DAEFCE8A44680E69A@Michael>
Message-ID: <691651.50329.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

If you want to save some money, Michael, you can read her blog on the internet at
http://www.jessicawatson.com.au/_blog/Official_Jessica_Watson_Blog/
and that contains about 50% (or more) of the book. Did you read Kay Cottee's (first) book ("First Lady")? She wrote with a similar style, something like a "captain's log". However I think that a copy of the book is worth having. Jessica has a fresh, disarming style and, for me at any rate, it is an engrossing read, even if you know in advance some of the things that happened. Oh, btw, the rrp is $35 but even when it first came out Dymocks knocked $10 off that, and it's possible that the price may go even lower.

Regarding Jessica's "making a ring", this is a sore point with some. To quote from her entry on the Wikipedia:

"Sailing website Sail-World.com published an analysis on 3 May 2010 which claims that the expected rhumb line distance travelled by Watson is 19,631.6?nm, which is less than the required distance according to the definition set by the World Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC), and that the journey will therefore be ineligible to claim world record status for round-the-world journeys."

A simpler way of expressing that is to say that she did not pass through two antipodean points, as, eg, Jesse Martin did about 10 years before. However all this is questionable as neither the WSSRC nor the Guinness Book of Records want to know about any circumnavigator under 18 years of age. In any case there is little doubt that most people have accepted her feat as advertised (youngest solo non stop unassisted circumnavigator).

--- On Wed, 11/8/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

I have no doubt that Jessica would appreciate Ted's tribute pasted on Amazon
or somewhere similar. It worked on me. I'll just have to get her book now.

While the analogies between Frodo's and Jessica's quests are plain to see
there is one distinct difference. Frodo went to destroy a ring...Jessica
made one. ;-) 




      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Wed Aug 11 21:34:23 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 21:34:23 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <691651.50329.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <97DC895C86D94B62AF0CED4BD4341909@Michael>

Thanks Ted. I'd much prefer to read the book. Incidentally, I found it for
$21.99 (.99 should be made illegal) online at Borders with free delivery.

I am aware of the controversy surrounding Jessica's world record attempt. As
you say nothing erases the fact that she went all the way around. For a
non-nautical person that's good enough for me. 



> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 7:06 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
> 
> If you want to save some money, Michael, you can read her blog
> on the internet at
> http://www.jessicawatson.com.au/_blog/Official_Jessica_Watson_B
> log/
> and that contains about 50% (or more) of the book. Did you read
> Kay Cottee's (first) book ("First Lady")? She wrote with a
> similar style, something like a "captain's log". However I
> think that a copy of the book is worth having. Jessica has a
> fresh, disarming style and, for me at any rate, it is an
> engrossing read, even if you know in advance some of the things
> that happened. Oh, btw, the rrp is $35 but even when it first
> came out Dymocks knocked $10 off that, and it's possible that
> the price may go even lower.
> 
> Regarding Jessica's "making a ring", this is a sore point with
> some. To quote from her entry on the Wikipedia:
> 
> "Sailing website Sail-World.com published an analysis on 3 May
> 2010 which claims that the expected rhumb line distance
> travelled by Watson is 19,631.6?nm, which is less than the
> required distance according to the definition set by the World
> Sailing Speed Record Council (WSSRC), and that the journey will
> therefore be ineligible to claim world record status for round-
> the-world journeys."
> 
> A simpler way of expressing that is to say that she did not
> pass through two antipodean points, as, eg, Jesse Martin did
> about 10 years before. However all this is questionable as
> neither the WSSRC nor the Guinness Book of Records want to know
> about any circumnavigator under 18 years of age. In any case
> there is little doubt that most people have accepted her feat
> as advertised (youngest solo non stop unassisted
> circumnavigator).
> 
> --- On Wed, 11/8/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> I have no doubt that Jessica would appreciate Ted's tribute
> pasted on Amazon
> or somewhere similar. It worked on me. I'll just have to get
> her book now.
> 
> While the analogies between Frodo's and Jessica's quests are
> plain to see
> there is one distinct difference. Frodo went to destroy a
> ring...Jessica
> made one. ;-)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Aug 11 23:00:24 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 11 Aug 2010 23:00:24 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <9B930EC0C9CF4A5A9F5433864917F355@Michael>
References: <9B930EC0C9CF4A5A9F5433864917F355@Michael>
Message-ID: <4C629EE8.5030307@roots-boots.net>

Michael Kennedy wrote:
> Thanks David. Keep us posted, and if he is based in Melbourne please tell
> him about the Seminar.

No reply yet ....

 > Which reminds me - are you going to Melbourne?

Alas, no. We were down in Melbourne a couple of months ago & Cynthia 
doesn't want to go again this soon. *shrugs*  Not to mention the 
nightmare of getting to the airport from here on a friday evening.

cheers,
David

>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
>> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
>> Sent: Wednesday, 11 August 2010 4:50 PM
>> To: list at tolharndor.org
>> Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
>>
>> G'day all,
>>
>> I'll intrude for a moment into Ted's Jessica Watson fanclub
>> speil. :)
>>
>> I've had a request for membership via the website from Nicholas
>> <ntwelch at gmail.com>. I've replied back to him requesting
>> verification
>> and a brief summary of his background and interest in the TH
>> arena ...
>> if he replies and his reply is relevant, I'll sub him to the
>> list ..
>> unless anyone recognises his email address and knows of a
>> reason not to
>> sub him.
>>
>> BTW Ted .. are you getting a commission from Jessica? :)
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>> --
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>> more!
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>> it
>>    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
>> its
>>             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Aug 14 09:23:53 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 09:23:53 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <727646.38895.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C624812.7060200@roots-boots.net>
	<727646.38895.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimPa3WUZhdVxy7Zm5Xt3kc8qriNTF3gHm1tz4k_@mail.gmail.com>

Yes Spiel comes up a lot in Austria...Germ.....
you see the word in connection with machines........one arm bandits and TAB
type betting a lot..
ie Games of chance..... rip offs mostly!
jeff

On Wed, Aug 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

>
>
> --- On Wed, 11/8/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
>
> >G'day all,
>
> >I'll intrude for a moment into Ted's Jessica Watson fanclub speil. :)
>
> Spiel. Form the German word meaning 'game" or various related things (eg
> Liedspiel)
>
> I've finished. What else can I say?
>
> >I've had a request for membership via the website from Nicholas <
> ntwelch at gmail.com>.
> I've replied back to him requesting verification and a brief summary of
> his background and interest in the TH arena ... if he replies and his
> reply is relevant, I'll sub him to the list .. unless anyone recognises
> his email address and knows of a reason not to sub him.
>
> OK by me. Perhaps watch him at first.
>
> >BTW Ted .. are you getting a commission from Jessica? :)
>
> I wish!!
>
> Ted
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug 14 10:06:27 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 17:06:27 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimPa3WUZhdVxy7Zm5Xt3kc8qriNTF3gHm1tz4k_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <571506.25708.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff. I'm in the middle of writing my talk and feeling a bit cheeky. Notice the entirely different reactions from Michael and David regarding my post on Jessica Watson? I stick to my story that there are elements of association between Frodo's odyssey and Jessica's. One obvious difference: Frodo pressed on with it as long as life and limbs should hold, though he didn't express any feelings of optimism. Jessica always seemed to be quite confident of a successful conclusion - well, always except that one dreadful night when she had second thoughts for a few minutes (if you were in mid atlantic in a 34 foot boat and it was unceremonially thrown around upside down you might well start to question what you were doing).

--- On Sat, 14/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Yes Spiel comes up a lot in Austria...Germ.....
you see the word in connection with machines........one arm bandits and TAB
type betting a lot..
ie Games of chance..... rip offs mostly!
jeff





      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug 14 11:25:01 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 11:25:01 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <571506.25708.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <571506.25708.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C65F06D.8030608@roots-boots.net>

Hi all,

I've had no response from the new member from my confirmation email .. 
been a few days now. Not long enuf to write 'em off, but it's not 
looking promising. I bcc'd the email to another address of mine on a 
different mail server and I got that, so the message got 'out there'. If 
there's no reply in a week, I'll assume the worst.

> Hi Jeff. I'm in the middle of writing my talk and feeling a bit cheeky.
 > Notice the entirely different reactions from Michael and David
 > regarding my post on Jessica Watson?

True .. but I was never a supporter of hers or her plan, even at the 
start. For lots of reasons, but I guess you could sum them up as much of 
the same reasons that she does not have any 'official' recognition. Yes, 
she achieved something amazing, but it's a very dangerous precedent and 
she was VERY lucky she lived to finish her voyage. It's one thing for 
adults to risk their lives in such things .. but for children, it's 
another matter. And the precedent has now been set .. and there are 
plans for a 13yo to attempt the feat, tho' the courts are fighting that. 
Not here, in Europe. Maybe because I work in a school I'm a bit 
sensitive about such things. Certainly there was not much in the way of 
support vocalised by my colleagues about her voyage.

 > I stick to my story that there are elements of association between
 > Frodo's odyssey and Jessica's.

Well one element .. a voyage against the odds. But that's not a rare 
scenario.

cheers,
David
-- 
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Aug 14 13:25:54 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2010 20:25:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] "Jess", was "possible new member"
In-Reply-To: <4C65F06D.8030608@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <243549.76879.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


"Sound, sound the clarion, fill the pipe,
Throughout the sensual world 
proclaim:
One crowded hour of glorious life,
Is worth an age without a 
name!" 

- Thomas Osbert Mordaunt (1730-1809)

"One Crowded Hour" is the title of Tim Bowden's biographical book about camerman Neil Davis, who died as he lived, covering dangerous assignments. He lived with death at his side, won some, lost one.

Obviously I'm never going to convince David to change his mind, but I'd like to put my viewpoint and reasons for it.

Firstly, Jessica Watson is not a child and she was not a child when she started her circumnavigation last October. She turned 16 on 18 May 2009 and began her circumnavigation on 18 October 2009. A 16 year old female is fully mature physically except in rare cases. 

Secondly, regarding knowledge and skills required for circumnavigation: she had the endorsement of several very experienced sailors who affirmed that she had the necessary skills and the right attitude. Granted that she was a rare example of her age but in view of the backgrounds of those who supported her I do not doubt that she was eminently qualified for the task she undertook.

Thirdly, she had access to many advanced means of control and safety that were not available even a decade ago, much less in 1987-88 when Kay Cottee became the first woman to circumnavigate solo nonstop and unassisted. Finally she came from a sailing family and had been on sailing boats almost from her birth. 

Granted that this would still not be enough to reassure many people, and in sailing magazines many sailors were railing against her even as she began her epic voyage. Some said that her parents pushed her into it for the money they saw coming in if she succeeded. She truculently denied this. Others came up with specious arguments that seemed aimed at the fact that, since she hadn't shown that she could do it therefore she couldn't. Several even suggested that her voyage might be faked (these might have been the same ones that said the first moon landing was faked). One I noticed refused to believe that she was writing her blog, which certainly implied that the description of the voyage was faked.

Regarding the two bodies that mattered most re sailing records: the WSSRC (World Speed Sailing Record Council) and the Guinness Book of Records: yes, they resolved not to grant circumnavigation status to anyone under 18, with a view to discouraging attempts by anyone younger. This did not stop either Jessica or Abby Sunderland, though Abby failed in her attempt, due to both the boat and the equipment. The latter prevented her from completing a nonstop circumnavigation and the former ruined her chances of continuing when her boat was dismasted in a storm. She will, I believe, try again and I expect her to succeed, although the "youngest round" title is out of her grasp but she holds the "youngest" title for rounding Cape Horn solo.The third, Laura Dekker, turns 15 in September and is certainly on the borderline of being called a child, but she plans to go "through the canals", rather than "around the capes" and not to do a non stop unassisted voyage. The
 Dutch government has either approved of her trip or else allowed that they have no power to stop her.

Finally, let me say that in the field of human endeavour nothing is without risks and the more the risks the greater then victory over them. Sure it was a risk - she knew it and she took it and she did not imply blame on anyone but herself in the event of failure. But she didn't fail and winners are grinners. I congratulate her, I applaud her (and I did so in spades last Monday), and I will uphold the belief that she always had a right to try.

But last Monday was no place for her to look for a standing ovation. Too many wrinklies in the audience. Some stood up but feverish clapping by them could not get the rest to stand. I like to think that she understood. :)

-Ted

--- On Sat, 14/8/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Hi Jeff. I'm in the middle of writing my talk and feeling a bit cheeky.
> Notice the entirely different reactions from Michael and David
> regarding my post on Jessica Watson?

True .. but I was never a supporter of hers or her plan, even at the start. For lots of reasons, but I guess you could sum them up as much of the same reasons that she does not have any 'official' recognition. Yes, she achieved something amazing, but it's a very dangerous precedent and she was VERY lucky she lived to finish her voyage. It's one thing for adults to risk their lives in such things .. but for children, it's another matter. And the precedent has now been set .. and there are plans for a 13yo to attempt the feat, tho' the courts are fighting that. Not here, in Europe. Maybe because I work in a school I'm a bit sensitive about such things. Certainly there was not much in the way of support vocalised by my colleagues about her voyage.

> I stick to my story that there are elements of association between
> Frodo's odyssey and Jessica's.

Well one element .. a voyage against the odds. But that's not a rare scenario.





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sun Aug 15 08:57:46 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 08:57:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <571506.25708.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimPa3WUZhdVxy7Zm5Xt3kc8qriNTF3gHm1tz4k_@mail.gmail.com>
	<571506.25708.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimsQ7yO359ZR=eFbruwDRpJbaLzPJj6=zA=yfQM@mail.gmail.com>

YES UPSIDE DOWN ANYWHERE MAY BE DISCONCERTING....IN A BOAT...SORRY A
YACHT... it could be downright ( I like that) disconcering on a huge
wavescale.
Yeh..David is taking the disconnect line...to Heroes..a hero.
I (JEFF LYNCH) am always and ever as Freud will catergorize an erotic.
Not quite like it sounds.
A person seeking (to be) loved.....unbalanced always because love will
always...disapoint one.
In the grand scale of things you must be prepared to lose every thing you
love in any case.
This is made manifest at the closing of THE LORD OF THE RINGS...His (Freud's
opposite is narcissistic...always balanced ...sure of hiself...herself.
WATSON IS ?..DUNNO HER!
iF SHE IS NARCISSISTIC....EINE hero Not looking for approval...only knowing
it IS deserved and so therefore not in need.... SHE STANDS TO BE CALMER
I RECKON.
Would be glad for any comment on LUKE's (the printer)...book cover for THE
BERGGIE.
Jeff
On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 10:06 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff. I'm in the middle of writing my talk and feeling a bit cheeky.
> Notice the entirely different reactions from Michael and David regarding my
> post on Jessica Watson? I stick to my story that there are elements of
> association between Frodo's odyssey and Jessica's. One obvious difference:
> Frodo pressed on with it as long as life and limbs should hold, though he
> didn't express any feelings of optimism. Jessica always seemed to be quite
> confident of a successful conclusion - well, always except that one dreadful
> night when she had second thoughts for a few minutes (if you were in mid
> atlantic in a 34 foot boat and it was unceremonially thrown around upside
> down you might well start to question what you were doing).
>
> --- On Sat, 14/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yes Spiel comes up a lot in Austria...Germ.....
> you see the word in connection with machines........one arm bandits and TAB
> type betting a lot..
> ie Games of chance..... rip offs mostly!
> jeff
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug 15 09:21:04 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 16:21:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Possible new member
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimsQ7yO359ZR=eFbruwDRpJbaLzPJj6=zA=yfQM@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <267847.75755.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 15/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

>YES UPSIDE DOWN ANYWHERE MAY BE DISCONCERTING....IN A BOAT...SORRY A YACHT...

"Boat" is OK - it's a generic word that covers yachts, tubs, ocean liners etc. Jess's boat was a sloop - a 34 foot (overall length) sloop made by Sparkman and Stevens, a big US based company that makes a wide range of watercraft. The S&S34 has proved itself to be the best available craft for solo or duo circumnavigation.

> it could be downright ( I like that) disconcerting on a huge
wavescale.
Yeh..David is taking the disconnect line...to Heroes..a hero.
I (JEFF LYNCH) am always and ever as Freud will catergorize an erotic.
Not quite like it sounds.
A person seeking (to be) loved.....unbalanced always because love will
always...disapoint one.
In the grand scale of things you must be prepared to lose every thing you
love in any case.
This is made manifest at the closing of THE LORD OF THE RINGS...His (Freud's
opposite is narcissistic...always balanced ...sure of hiself...herself.
WATSON IS ?..DUNNO HER!
iF SHE IS NARCISSISTIC....EINE hero Not looking for approval...only knowing
it IS deserved and so therefore not in need.... SHE STANDS TO BE CALMER
I RECKON.
Would be glad for any comment on LUKE's (the printer)...book cover for THE
BERGGIE.

I don't know Jessica either but I followed her odyssey through her blog entries. Her style was (and is in the book) bland, almost emotionless for most of the time, and even in that terrible wave incident she rather downplayed it (Kay Cottee had a similar incident and was much more upbeat about it). However, for what may be a very different take, watch channel 0 tomorrow night 7.30 to 9.30. We've already seen a strange and new side to her in the short clip that shows her in apparently uncontrollable tears because she has to sit out a period of calm.

"Down dropt the wind; the sails dropt down
'twas sad as sad could be
And we did speak only to break
The silence of the sea."

- STC 



      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug 16 17:21:46 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 17:21:46 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] "Jess"
In-Reply-To: <243549.76879.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <243549.76879.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C68E70A.5090900@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
>
> Obviously I'm never going to convince David to change his mind ...

Probably not .. but I make a point of never being one eyed. At least I 
try ...

> Firstly, Jessica Watson is not a child and she was not a child when she started
 > her circumnavigation last October. She turned 16 on 18 May 2009 ..
 > A 16 year old female is fully mature physically except in rare cases.

I will happily grant that a 16yo is more or less physically mature .. 
most of the time. However the catch there is *physically*. It is only in 
the rare case that a 16yo is mentally and emotionally mature. And with 
all the wonders of modern technology, that is probably more important 
than being physically mature on the odyssey in question. I've been in 
the education system almost my entire life ... apart from the first few 
years ... so I daresay I can speak with some authority on that subject. 
The vast majority of 16yo's can and do display episodes of mental & 
emotional maturity, but they are episodes and not the norm. There are 
many good reasons for why the age of "adulthood" is traditionally set at 
21yo .. I'll ignore the aberration of a younger age for voting and 
driving in Australia & drinking (typically 18yo around the world). 
Historically the age has been 21.

Apart from the obvious dangers from immaturity (eg going to sleep with 
the radar turned off whilst in a major shipping lane .. and wondering 
why someone ran into you), embarking on a solo odyssey at a tender age 
had an additional danger. Call it the lack of accumulated life 
experiences. It is those accumulated life experiences that help you deal 
with trouble (and the moreso the worse the trouble is) when it surfaces. 
Without those accumulated experiences one relies purely on luck to 
survive. The classic example of this is how the 17-25yo's tend to behave 
on the road. They take lots of risks, not necessarily because they get a 
thrill out of taking risks or hooning around (tho' that is true in a 
minority of cases), but rather because they simply do not recognise the 
danger. And so they rely on luck to survive. And as we all know, luck is 
a fickle bitch and hence we have the resulting road statistic of the 
17-25yo age group having the most deaths and most accidents on the 
roads, however you look at or massage the stats. They 'think' it is 
safe, they 'think' they can do it. Sometimes they are right. Sometimes 
they are wrong. It's just luck they survive. However, older people have 
accumulated life experiences and are better able to judge risky 
situations and take the appropriate actions before it is too late. 
Jessica's collision and lucky survival only days into her voyage and the 
reasons why it happened in the first place say to me she was very lucky 
to have survived the trip .. and she did so because of luck moreso than 
skill & experience.

And that is why, despite agreeing it was a remarkable achievement, I 
will never applaud her for doing it.

Yes, the field of human endeavour nothing is without risks. But in the 
case of children and those who are not fully mature (whether from age or 
disability), we as a society and individuals have an obligation to 
protect them from those risks. Once they become adults .. go for it, 
knock yourself out, so to speak. But children .. no. And IMO a 16yo is 
still a child, in almost every sense of the word.

cheers,
David
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  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 18 08:51:06 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 08:51:06 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] "Jess", was "possible new member"
In-Reply-To: <243549.76879.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <4C65F06D.8030608@roots-boots.net>
	<243549.76879.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Hell-o Ted...I shall look up Mr Mordaunt....tanks...
jeff

On Sat, Aug 14, 2010 at 1:25 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

>
> "Sound, sound the clarion, fill the pipe,
> Throughout the sensual world
> proclaim:
> One crowded hour of glorious life,
> Is worth an age without a
> name!"
>
> - Thomas Osbert Mordaunt (1730-1809)
>
> "One Crowded Hour" is the title of Tim Bowden's biographical book about
> camerman Neil Davis, who died as he lived, covering dangerous assignments.
> He lived with death at his side, won some, lost one.
>
> Obviously I'm never going to convince David to change his mind, but I'd
> like to put my viewpoint and reasons for it.
>
> Firstly, Jessica Watson is not a child and she was not a child when she
> started her circumnavigation last October. She turned 16 on 18 May 2009 and
> began her circumnavigation on 18 October 2009. A 16 year old female is fully
> mature physically except in rare cases.
>
> Secondly, regarding knowledge and skills required for circumnavigation: she
> had the endorsement of several very experienced sailors who affirmed that
> she had the necessary skills and the right attitude. Granted that she was a
> rare example of her age but in view of the backgrounds of those who
> supported her I do not doubt that she was eminently qualified for the task
> she undertook.
>
> Thirdly, she had access to many advanced means of control and safety that
> were not available even a decade ago, much less in 1987-88 when Kay Cottee
> became the first woman to circumnavigate solo nonstop and unassisted.
> Finally she came from a sailing family and had been on sailing boats almost
> from her birth.
>
> Granted that this would still not be enough to reassure many people, and in
> sailing magazines many sailors were railing against her even as she began
> her epic voyage. Some said that her parents pushed her into it for the money
> they saw coming in if she succeeded. She truculently denied this. Others
> came up with specious arguments that seemed aimed at the fact that, since
> she hadn't shown that she could do it therefore she couldn't. Several even
> suggested that her voyage might be faked (these might have been the same
> ones that said the first moon landing was faked). One I noticed refused to
> believe that she was writing her blog, which certainly implied that the
> description of the voyage was faked.
>
> Regarding the two bodies that mattered most re sailing records: the WSSRC
> (World Speed Sailing Record Council) and the Guinness Book of Records: yes,
> they resolved not to grant circumnavigation status to anyone under 18, with
> a view to discouraging attempts by anyone younger. This did not stop either
> Jessica or Abby Sunderland, though Abby failed in her attempt, due to both
> the boat and the equipment. The latter prevented her from completing a
> nonstop circumnavigation and the former ruined her chances of continuing
> when her boat was dismasted in a storm. She will, I believe, try again and I
> expect her to succeed, although the "youngest round" title is out of her
> grasp but she holds the "youngest" title for rounding Cape Horn solo.The
> third, Laura Dekker, turns 15 in September and is certainly on the
> borderline of being called a child, but she plans to go "through the
> canals", rather than "around the capes" and not to do a non stop unassisted
> voyage. The
>  Dutch government has either approved of her trip or else allowed that they
> have no power to stop her.
>
> Finally, let me say that in the field of human endeavour nothing is without
> risks and the more the risks the greater then victory over them. Sure it was
> a risk - she knew it and she took it and she did not imply blame on anyone
> but herself in the event of failure. But she didn't fail and winners are
> grinners. I congratulate her, I applaud her (and I did so in spades last
> Monday), and I will uphold the belief that she always had a right to try.
>
> But last Monday was no place for her to look for a standing ovation. Too
> many wrinklies in the audience. Some stood up but feverish clapping by them
> could not get the rest to stand. I like to think that she understood. :)
>
> -Ted
>
> --- On Sat, 14/8/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:
>
> > Hi Jeff. I'm in the middle of writing my talk and feeling a bit cheeky.
> > Notice the entirely different reactions from Michael and David
> > regarding my post on Jessica Watson?
>
> True .. but I was never a supporter of hers or her plan, even at the start.
> For lots of reasons, but I guess you could sum them up as much of the same
> reasons that she does not have any 'official' recognition. Yes, she achieved
> something amazing, but it's a very dangerous precedent and she was VERY
> lucky she lived to finish her voyage. It's one thing for adults to risk
> their lives in such things .. but for children, it's another matter. And the
> precedent has now been set .. and there are plans for a 13yo to attempt the
> feat, tho' the courts are fighting that. Not here, in Europe. Maybe because
> I work in a school I'm a bit sensitive about such things. Certainly there
> was not much in the way of support vocalised by my colleagues about her
> voyage.
>
> > I stick to my story that there are elements of association between
> > Frodo's odyssey and Jessica's.
>
> Well one element .. a voyage against the odds. But that's not a rare
> scenario.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Wed Aug 18 21:37:57 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 21:37:57 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] mystery nick
Message-ID: <4C6BC615.6090707@roots-boots.net>

G'day all,

Still no reply from "Nick". I've just sent an email from another address 
in case he's having trouble with mail from tolharndor.org. If I've 
gotten no reply in a few days I'll reject the application and block the 
address. Two weeks is enuf, methinks????

cheers,
David
-- 
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      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From dragon at roots-boots.net  Thu Aug 19 20:19:43 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:19:43 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] New Member
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1282212865.30529.list_tolharndor.org@tolharndor.org>
References: <mailman.1.1282212865.30529.list_tolharndor.org@tolharndor.org>
Message-ID: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>

G'day all,

Finally heard from Nicholas ... seems he's a busy boy.

The request was legit and I'll paste in his bio from his follow-up email.

"Basically, i came across your list after a recent trip to New Zealand 
to visit lotr movie sites - i saw about 100.  It was a magic trip!

Ive been a lotr/Tolkien fan since 1984 when my school teacher read The 
Hobbit allowed to my class (30 wide-eyed 10 year olds).

I take keen interest in many things relating Tolkien, particularly the 
Tolkien Society and its ongoing in role in providing and presenting 
information the author and his works.

I'm a history graduate and I'm endeavouring to further my studies in 
medieval literature/history at UWA."

Nick can add more to introduce himself. Feel free to jump onto any of 
the discussions .. or start up a new one.

cheers,
List Admin
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The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 20 09:47:47 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 09:47:47 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] New Member
In-Reply-To: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
References: <mailman.1.1282212865.30529.list_tolharndor.org@tolharndor.org>
	<4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=_6GzmGvE-LBEYWJRcMZ+2qx4D=NheV_roZnj5@mail.gmail.com>

David,
Whar do ya reckon the average stay of TH recruits is?
Maybe six months?
jeff
Not your fault nor theirs..... it is faultless pehaps?,

On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> G'day all,
>
> Finally heard from Nicholas ... seems he's a busy boy.
>
> The request was legit and I'll paste in his bio from his follow-up email.
>
> "Basically, i came across your list after a recent trip to New Zealand to
> visit lotr movie sites - i saw about 100.  It was a magic trip!
>
> Ive been a lotr/Tolkien fan since 1984 when my school teacher read The
> Hobbit allowed to my class (30 wide-eyed 10 year olds).
>
> I take keen interest in many things relating Tolkien, particularly the
> Tolkien Society and its ongoing in role in providing and presenting
> information the author and his works.
>
> I'm a history graduate and I'm endeavouring to further my studies in
> medieval literature/history at UWA."
>
> Nick can add more to introduce himself. Feel free to jump onto any of the
> discussions .. or start up a new one.
>
> cheers,
> List Admin
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri Aug 20 11:25:47 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:25:47 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] New Member
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_6GzmGvE-LBEYWJRcMZ+2qx4D=NheV_roZnj5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1282212865.30529.list_tolharndor.org@tolharndor.org>
	<4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
	<AANLkTi=_6GzmGvE-LBEYWJRcMZ+2qx4D=NheV_roZnj5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20100820112547.khgad2j5csgk48so@roots-boots.net>

Quoting Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>:

> Whar do ya reckon the average stay of TH recruits is?
> Maybe six months?

In statistical terms the answer is a camel. Of the two hump variety.

Confused?

I shall explain ...

Looking at the stats of the active stay of TH members there are two  
groups, those who join and stay active for a long period of time.  
Included here are the old guard, plus a few others who have joined up  
in the past few years and remained active, more or less. Then there  
are the other members who sign up, post a couple of times and then  
vanish. Their duration can be measured in as little as weeks, tho' to  
be generous lets say a month.

The most obvious reason for these people dropping out is that the  
group is not what they were looking for. However I'll add a note here  
and mention that none of this group has requested removal from the  
list so they are still members with valid email addresses. Maybe some  
have added TH to their junk mail filter, others just use the delete  
button? I couldn't say, tho' the former seems more likely.

I'll add an observation about the later (silent) group and that is for  
the most part any 'fault' likely lies with them since almost all of  
that group have either made no posts to the list or only an  
introductory post. Mostly the former. If everyone who was a member of  
the list posted at least once a week, whether on Tolkien or not, then  
the list would be quite busy indeed. But .. almost all the posts are  
from the original group, Michael, Ted, Jeff & myself. A couple of  
others post occasionally ... the rest .. hello ... are you still out  
there???

If you were really interested I could spent an hour or so crunching  
all the figures and tell you how often every member has posted, their  
% of total posts and so forth. The list software contains all that  
information. But it would just echo what I wrote above.

Hope that answers your question?

cheers,
David
-- 
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       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
  The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies




From dragon at roots-boots.net  Fri Aug 20 11:38:13 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (David Powell)
Date: Fri, 20 Aug 2010 11:38:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] List Removal instructions
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=_6GzmGvE-LBEYWJRcMZ+2qx4D=NheV_roZnj5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1282212865.30529.list_tolharndor.org@tolharndor.org>
	<4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
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Message-ID: <20100820113813.rx6jmfywgs0kkgso@roots-boots.net>

Hi all,

If anyone at any time wishes to be removed from this list, just post a  
message saying so to the list and I'll take you off. Likewise if  
anyone wishes to change their listed email address (or add a 2nd  
address), post the details to the list or to admin at tolharndor.org and  
I will see to it. If you post to the list you'll know if I got your  
email since you'll get the echoed copy. Emails do go missing all the  
time.

If you later change your mind and want back on, either request a  
subscription via the website or send an email to admin at tolharndor.org.  
Posting to "list at tolharndor.org" is restricted to members only.

cheers,
List Admin
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Australian Linedance website of the year: Tamworth 2005,2007,2008,2009
       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
  The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
    to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
             own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies




From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Aug 20 13:01:04 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2010 20:01:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] List Removal instructions
In-Reply-To: <20100820113813.rx6jmfywgs0kkgso@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <401423.23426.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks David, and I promise you I won't mention That Lady (the Pink one) any more on the list.

--- On Fri, 20/8/10, David Powell <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Hi all,

If anyone at any time wishes to be removed from this list, just post a message saying so to the list and I'll take you off. Likewise if anyone wishes to change their listed email address (or add a 2nd address), post the details to the list or to admin at tolharndor.org and I will see to it. If you post to the list you'll know if I got your email since you'll get the echoed copy. Emails do go missing all the time.

If you later change your mind and want back on, either request a subscription via the website or send an email to admin at tolharndor.org. Posting to "list at tolharndor.org" is restricted to members only.





      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Aug 21 10:26:39 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 10:26:39 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] List Removal instructions
In-Reply-To: <401423.23426.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <401423.23426.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4C6F1D3F.5000303@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Thanks David, and I promise you I won't mention That Lady (the Pink one)
 > any more on the list.

Hey ... I'm not Rupert Murdoch .. I wont tell you what you can and can't do!

For the non-Aussies and the locals who didn't notice, the Murdoch stable 
of newspapers ran full front page 'advertisements' for the Liberal party 
in friday's newspapers, even tho' it was in the 3 day pre election 
advertising blackout. Technically legal since he paid for it, but 
reprehensible nonetheless. Also helped me decide how I'm going to vote 
today, even tho' I'm not a fan of Pinocchio. A case of "the enemy of 
your enemy is your friend".

I posted that note in case any of the silent ones wanted off the list 
and weren't sure ... and under some obscurely worded US law it had to be 
done once a year. Not that I expect Michael & myself to be extradited to 
the US to face the courts over not having done it. :)

cheers,
David
-- 
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The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Aug 22 08:30:12 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 21 Aug 2010 15:30:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] ... another one hits the water!
In-Reply-To: <4C6F1D3F.5000303@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <781329.46048.qm@web36703.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Just when you thought it was safe to dismiss young ladies with sailboats and a passionate desire to sail them around the world, up pops number three and, at age 14, she is the youngest. Laura Dekker, who (I think) has to have her blog translated into English (her primary and perhaps only language is Dutch) is planning to sail "through the canals" rather than "around the capes", but this is still a legitimate circumnavigation route. She is now off on her own adventure.

She won't have to worry about icebergs and South Atlantic gales, but she will have to worry about pirates (arrrrrr!) and hurricanes.

I have to admit that 14 seems a bit too young.

--- On Sat, 21/8/10, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

Edwin Scribner wrote:
> Thanks David, and I promise you I won't mention That Lady (the Pink one)
> any more on the list.

Hey ... I'm not Rupert Murdoch .. I wont tell you what you can and can't do!




      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 23 09:06:07 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 09:06:07 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <52E4BF0D56E34E0DAEFCE8A44680E69A@Michael>
References: <872036.37328.qm@web36707.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<52E4BF0D56E34E0DAEFCE8A44680E69A@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=-82byNHecZHi6Qxp2CU2+p0oKDScE-AhkBRCw@mail.gmail.com>

The weather report....from Melbourne....after  a long trip by auto....12,00
ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
again I am ready to report on M's weather.

The weather is deceivingly springful.
It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the windscreen.
 It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
Well see ya soon...
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Tue Aug 24 18:53:34 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 24 Aug 2010 01:53:34 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=-82byNHecZHi6Qxp2CU2+p0oKDScE-AhkBRCw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff

We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you. 

Cheers

Ted

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

The weather report....from Melbourne....after? a long trip by auto....12,00
ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
again I am ready to report on M's weather.

The weather is deceivingly springful.
It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the windscreen.
 It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
Well see ya soon...
jeff




      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 08:41:11 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 08:41:11 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-82byNHecZHi6Qxp2CU2+p0oKDScE-AhkBRCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6R7Tpx4gS0xcMM84ZynBs+OhVwZ1ZMd4+XFkP@mail.gmail.com>

Yeh Ted and Ta too... .....might be able to do it....give it time I will say
more soon.
By the way Dr Karen (my eldest)  is coming to the morning session or part
thereof.....with my grandson Angus most likely...HE (lucky young man) has
just started reading LOTR.
jeff

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff
>
> We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a
> "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If
> you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The weather report....from Melbourne....after  a long trip by auto....12,00
> ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
> again I am ready to report on M's weather.
>
> The weather is deceivingly springful.
> It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
> water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the
> windscreen.
>  It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
> Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
> clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
> Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
> Well see ya soon...
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Aug 25 10:09:52 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:09:52 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-82byNHecZHi6Qxp2CU2+p0oKDScE-AhkBRCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikdaHBpUD2ouWXLaE3=73=DB4eZ2MawfgdHwdnh@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ted......at yout leisure ring me when you arrive...my mobile number is
0422809728.
I have no landline.
jeff

On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 6:53 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff
>
> We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a
> "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If
> you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The weather report....from Melbourne....after  a long trip by auto....12,00
> ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
> again I am ready to report on M's weather.
>
> The weather is deceivingly springful.
> It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
> water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the
> windscreen.
>  It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
> Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
> clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
> Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
> Well see ya soon...
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 09:01:17 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 09:01:17 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTi=-82byNHecZHi6Qxp2CU2+p0oKDScE-AhkBRCw@mail.gmail.com>
	<431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinTGa5XcQVT7vMW_o1-qP95Dr7g43xn64e3CTmb@mail.gmail.com>

Ted ring me.....
0422809728
jeff

From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 27 09:48:51 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2010 23:48:51 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <581354.14071.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Hi Ted,
?
Arrived from Florida USA yesterday after 10am local time after a 2-day travel. Left sunny FLA on Tuesday at 6pm-ish. 
?
Currently in Ballarat foraging for something tasty for brekkie. :)? Staying with a friend, a Tolkien fan and excellent writer as well, hence the reason for Ballarat. Weather has been quite English. :)
?
See everyone tomorrow! :)? Michael, will send bio in a bit. Doing last min updates to ppoint --what version do u have on your computer or the computer that will be available?
Elise

--- On Tue, 24/8/10, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:


From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 4:53


Hi Jeff

We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you. 

Cheers

Ted

--- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

The weather report....from Melbourne....after? a long trip by auto....12,00
ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
again I am ready to report on M's weather.

The weather is deceivingly springful.
It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the windscreen.
It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
Well see ya soon...
jeff




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From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Aug 27 10:32:19 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 10:32:19 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <581354.14071.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<581354.14071.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjOrOc4d5TukL1eoZ6o9WLNgVEFCUA=4ktBS1r@mail.gmail.com>

Hello to you Dryad.....hope you Nymphs have a great time....
Jeff Lynch

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:48 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Ted,
>
> Arrived from Florida USA yesterday after 10am local time after a 2-day
> travel. Left sunny FLA on Tuesday at 6pm-ish.
>
> Currently in Ballarat foraging for something tasty for brekkie. :)  Staying
> with a friend, a Tolkien fan and excellent writer as well, hence the reason
> for Ballarat. Weather has been quite English. :)
>
> See everyone tomorrow! :)  Michael, will send bio in a bit. Doing last min
> updates to ppoint --what version do u have on your computer or the computer
> that will be available?
> Elise
>
> --- On Tue, 24/8/10, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 4:53
>
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a
> "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If
> you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The weather report....from Melbourne....after  a long trip by auto....12,00
> ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
> again I am ready to report on M's weather.
>
> The weather is deceivingly springful.
> It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
> water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the
> windscreen.
> It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
> Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
> clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
> Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
> Well see ya soon...
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk  Fri Aug 27 10:43:54 2010
From: dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk (dryad)
Date: Fri, 27 Aug 2010 00:43:54 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinjOrOc4d5TukL1eoZ6o9WLNgVEFCUA=4ktBS1r@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88263.55217.qm@web24613.mail.ird.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jeff!? :) 

--- On Thu, 26/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
Date: Thursday, 26 August, 2010, 20:32


Hello to you Dryad.....hope you Nymphs have a great time....
Jeff Lynch

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 9:48 AM, dryad <dryad0404 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> Hi Ted,
>
> Arrived from Florida USA yesterday after 10am local time after a 2-day
> travel. Left sunny FLA on Tuesday at 6pm-ish.
>
> Currently in Ballarat foraging for something tasty for brekkie. :)? Staying
> with a friend, a Tolkien fan and excellent writer as well, hence the reason
> for Ballarat. Weather has been quite English. :)
>
> See everyone tomorrow! :)? Michael, will send bio in a bit. Doing last min
> updates to ppoint --what version do u have on your computer or the computer
> that will be available?
> Elise
>
> --- On Tue, 24/8/10, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
> To: "Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society" <list at tolharndor.org>
> Date: Tuesday, 24 August, 2010, 4:53
>
>
> Hi Jeff
>
> We arrive at Princes Park Motor Inn sometime on Thursday night. We get a
> "welcome drink" at Bridie O'Reilly's Irish Pub each night we stay there. If
> you're anywhere near there we'd love to see you.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
> --- On Mon, 23/8/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The weather report....from Melbourne....after? a long trip by auto....12,00
> ks or more M to Y....Y to Bendigo and full return....to Y and Melbourne
> again I am ready to report on M's weather.
>
> The weather is deceivingly springful.
> It must be noted that my wide ranging car trip saw me seeing lots of
> water...in table drains, oe'rflowing dams on the ....against the
> windscreen.
> It will be a fine spring here in Australia Felix.
> Today mon...morn, it shows the sun to be where the clouds are not...in
> clearer English....if possible ........is' a sunny kind of Sunnie
> Brunnie....Is all of this clear to Odyssey seekers?
> Well see ya soon...
> jeff
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Aug 29 17:43:06 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 17:43:06 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>

Hi All,

Just a quick note so say how pleased I was with the Seminar yesterday. Ted's
presentation was predictably entertaining and almost certainly produced the
greatest number of chuckles!

Jeff, thanks again for your help on the ground. It was great to see Karen
and Angus there too. 

I had to return home last night instead of today because Meredith ended up
in hospital due to the flue which is set to peak here in the next two weeks.
We suspect she picked it up in Fiji, or somewhere in transit. After a
generous infusion of various substances, she is now home and resting
comfortably, and will have to do so for the rest of the week. 

I look forward to hearing how dinner at 'Trotters' went.

Michael


 






From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 08:42:35 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:42:35 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>
References: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
	<6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=hMFPt4CNydOd=aKKVkMt5m2VmCsbPN0uUnxKJ@mail.gmail.com>

Michael.... so glad to hear that the elf is home again.
Dinner at Trotters.
A great success........several....most notably the Anglos had Odysseys
getting there but Elise also did much the same....they came up the stairs
puffing after walking so many blocks.
But with Hobbit like condiderations the dinner was a great
success....wine....great food... bulldust...(mit much literary talk to
leaven it all)....more wine more bulldust an dbookspeak...there was much
bookspeak....
All seemed to glow with the night
PS Ted and Ros did not make it...I saw him nodding a bit before I took him
to the Motel?
I DEPARTED TIRED BUT ALSO GLOWING...A GREAT DAY ALL ROUND.
JEFF
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> Just a quick note so say how pleased I was with the Seminar yesterday.
> Ted's
> presentation was predictably entertaining and almost certainly produced the
> greatest number of chuckles!
>
> Jeff, thanks again for your help on the ground. It was great to see Karen
> and Angus there too.
>
> I had to return home last night instead of today because Meredith ended up
> in hospital due to the flue which is set to peak here in the next two
> weeks.
> We suspect she picked it up in Fiji, or somewhere in transit. After a
> generous infusion of various substances, she is now home and resting
> comfortably, and will have to do so for the rest of the week.
>
> I look forward to hearing how dinner at 'Trotters' went.
>
> Michael
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 08:44:45 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 08:44:45 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Speaking of Odysseys ...
In-Reply-To: <581354.14071.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
References: <431525.40481.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<581354.14071.qm@web24608.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimm2bYz=5Fo5Vv7wW7DcJ4fHUsA3vic4VALztEa@mail.gmail.com>

Fur Elise,
It was great to see (and hear) you on the weekend encore.
I will never make the same errror....not picking you out again in a crowd.
Love jeff
PS ..travel safely Elise

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Mon Aug 30 16:40:08 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 16:40:08 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=hMFPt4CNydOd=aKKVkMt5m2VmCsbPN0uUnxKJ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>	<6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>
	<AANLkTi=hMFPt4CNydOd=aKKVkMt5m2VmCsbPN0uUnxKJ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7B5248.5010702@roots-boots.net>

Sounds like you folk had an enjoyable & fruitful time down there. I was 
stuck at a rather so-so engagement party ... one of those events you 
have to go to but since you know almost no-one, end sup a rather 
unmemorable event. Oh well ...

If people would like to send me material from their presentations and/or 
reviews/thoughts on the moot, I can add them to the pile for the next 
issue of Tilkal .. and maybe have enuf stuff for the next issue.

cheers,
David

Jeff Lynch wrote:
> Michael.... so glad to hear that the elf is home again.
> Dinner at Trotters.
> A great success........several....most notably the Anglos had Odysseys
> getting there but Elise also did much the same....they came up the stairs
> puffing after walking so many blocks.
> But with Hobbit like condiderations the dinner was a great
> success....wine....great food... bulldust...(mit much literary talk to
> leaven it all)....more wine more bulldust an dbookspeak...there was much
> bookspeak....
> All seemed to glow with the night
> PS Ted and Ros did not make it...I saw him nodding a bit before I took him
> to the Motel?
> I DEPARTED TIRED BUT ALSO GLOWING...A GREAT DAY ALL ROUND.
> JEFF
> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Michael Kennedy<mlk at activ8.net.au>  wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Just a quick note so say how pleased I was with the Seminar yesterday.
>> Ted's
>> presentation was predictably entertaining and almost certainly produced the
>> greatest number of chuckles!
>>
>> Jeff, thanks again for your help on the ground. It was great to see Karen
>> and Angus there too.
>>
>> I had to return home last night instead of today because Meredith ended up
>> in hospital due to the flue which is set to peak here in the next two
>> weeks.
>> We suspect she picked it up in Fiji, or somewhere in transit. After a
>> generous infusion of various substances, she is now home and resting
>> comfortably, and will have to do so for the rest of the week.
>>
>> I look forward to hearing how dinner at 'Trotters' went.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
>> List at tolharndor.org
>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>

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           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Tue Aug 31 08:44:53 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 08:44:53 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <4C7B5248.5010702@roots-boots.net>
References: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>
	<6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>
	<AANLkTi=hMFPt4CNydOd=aKKVkMt5m2VmCsbPN0uUnxKJ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4C7B5248.5010702@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin=uau+0k13htoNhhkeuLNGc0Uv75VbJ7V7=niX@mail.gmail.com>

I have an unrelated thingo.....Cricket in the shire type of thingo for ya
Dave...Ho Hum?
jeff....coming soon!

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Sounds like you folk had an enjoyable & fruitful time down there. I was
> stuck at a rather so-so engagement party ... one of those events you have to
> go to but since you know almost no-one, end sup a rather unmemorable event.
> Oh well ...
>
> If people would like to send me material from their presentations and/or
> reviews/thoughts on the moot, I can add them to the pile for the next issue
> of Tilkal .. and maybe have enuf stuff for the next issue.
>
> cheers,
> David
>
>
> Jeff Lynch wrote:
>
>> Michael.... so glad to hear that the elf is home again.
>> Dinner at Trotters.
>> A great success........several....most notably the Anglos had Odysseys
>> getting there but Elise also did much the same....they came up the stairs
>> puffing after walking so many blocks.
>> But with Hobbit like condiderations the dinner was a great
>> success....wine....great food... bulldust...(mit much literary talk to
>> leaven it all)....more wine more bulldust an dbookspeak...there was much
>> bookspeak....
>> All seemed to glow with the night
>> PS Ted and Ros did not make it...I saw him nodding a bit before I took him
>> to the Motel?
>> I DEPARTED TIRED BUT ALSO GLOWING...A GREAT DAY ALL ROUND.
>> JEFF
>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Michael Kennedy<mlk at activ8.net.au>
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note so say how pleased I was with the Seminar yesterday.
>>> Ted's
>>> presentation was predictably entertaining and almost certainly produced
>>> the
>>> greatest number of chuckles!
>>>
>>> Jeff, thanks again for your help on the ground. It was great to see Karen
>>> and Angus there too.
>>>
>>> I had to return home last night instead of today because Meredith ended
>>> up
>>> in hospital due to the flue which is set to peak here in the next two
>>> weeks.
>>> We suspect she picked it up in Fiji, or somewhere in transit. After a
>>> generous infusion of various substances, she is now home and resting
>>> comfortably, and will have to do so for the rest of the week.
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing how dinner at 'Trotters' went.
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List mailing list
>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
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>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>
>>
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>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
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From dragon at roots-boots.net  Tue Aug 31 17:42:15 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Tue, 31 Aug 2010 17:42:15 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Tolkien Seminar
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin=uau+0k13htoNhhkeuLNGc0Uv75VbJ7V7=niX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4C6D053F.9060001@roots-boots.net>	<6C992BF6C9B94BB5AED21CE4FA8F21AB@Michael>	<AANLkTi=hMFPt4CNydOd=aKKVkMt5m2VmCsbPN0uUnxKJ@mail.gmail.com>	<4C7B5248.5010702@roots-boots.net>
	<AANLkTin=uau+0k13htoNhhkeuLNGc0Uv75VbJ7V7=niX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4C7CB257.2020304@roots-boots.net>

Jeff Lynch wrote:
> I have an unrelated thingo.....Cricket in the shire type of thingo for ya
> Dave...Ho Hum?

I'll take anything ... but I am hoping to have something for the issue 
that isn't by Jeff .. seeing he's the only person so far who has 
submitted ANYTHING for the next issue. *hint, hint*

cheers,
Ye Editor

> jeff....coming soon!
>
> On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 4:40 PM, Marayong<dragon at roots-boots.net>  wrote:
>
>> Sounds like you folk had an enjoyable&  fruitful time down there. I was
>> stuck at a rather so-so engagement party ... one of those events you have to
>> go to but since you know almost no-one, end sup a rather unmemorable event.
>> Oh well ...
>>
>> If people would like to send me material from their presentations and/or
>> reviews/thoughts on the moot, I can add them to the pile for the next issue
>> of Tilkal .. and maybe have enuf stuff for the next issue.
>>
>> cheers,
>> David
>>
>>
>> Jeff Lynch wrote:
>>
>>> Michael.... so glad to hear that the elf is home again.
>>> Dinner at Trotters.
>>> A great success........several....most notably the Anglos had Odysseys
>>> getting there but Elise also did much the same....they came up the stairs
>>> puffing after walking so many blocks.
>>> But with Hobbit like condiderations the dinner was a great
>>> success....wine....great food... bulldust...(mit much literary talk to
>>> leaven it all)....more wine more bulldust an dbookspeak...there was much
>>> bookspeak....
>>> All seemed to glow with the night
>>> PS Ted and Ros did not make it...I saw him nodding a bit before I took him
>>> to the Motel?
>>> I DEPARTED TIRED BUT ALSO GLOWING...A GREAT DAY ALL ROUND.
>>> JEFF
>>> On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Michael Kennedy<mlk at activ8.net.au>
>>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick note so say how pleased I was with the Seminar yesterday.
>>>> Ted's
>>>> presentation was predictably entertaining and almost certainly produced
>>>> the
>>>> greatest number of chuckles!
>>>>
>>>> Jeff, thanks again for your help on the ground. It was great to see Karen
>>>> and Angus there too.
>>>>
>>>> I had to return home last night instead of today because Meredith ended
>>>> up
>>>> in hospital due to the flue which is set to peak here in the next two
>>>> weeks.
>>>> We suspect she picked it up in Fiji, or somewhere in transit. After a
>>>> generous infusion of various substances, she is now home and resting
>>>> comfortably, and will have to do so for the rest of the week.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward to hearing how dinner at 'Trotters' went.
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> List mailing list
>>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>> List mailing list
>>> List at tolharndor.org
>>> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
>>>
>>>
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>>      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
>> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>>           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> List mailing list
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