From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Jul  3 08:58:44 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 2 Jul 2010 15:58:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor]  Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimlu0AGgKOqa4YozqBVgsI8vkLlOkkOFjdX1Xg3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <509614.71107.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>


http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100624.html

- Herendil




      

From dragon at roots-boots.net  Sat Jul  3 11:41:39 2010
From: dragon at roots-boots.net (Marayong)
Date: Sat, 03 Jul 2010 11:41:39 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <509614.71107.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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Message-ID: <4C2E9553.9070502@roots-boots.net>

Edwin Scribner wrote:
>
> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100624.html

Thanks Ted!

It would have been even more impressive if they had oriented the image 
so the 'tower' pointed upwards .. there's no convention for 'up' in a 
space foto .. 'up' is whichever way looks better.

cheers,
David
-- 
Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
      http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
           own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies


From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Mon Jul  5 09:58:45 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 09:58:45 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <4C2E9553.9070502@roots-boots.net>
References: <509614.71107.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
	<4C2E9553.9070502@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikJMmAOQi2GtaJUzjLeJFDGgQafpxschWxikkfK@mail.gmail.com>

I too saw this......there is more in heaven and earth.....
jeff

On Sat, Jul 3, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Marayong <dragon at roots-boots.net> wrote:

> Edwin Scribner wrote:
>
>>
>> http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100624.html
>>
>
> Thanks Ted!
>
> It would have been even more impressive if they had oriented the image so
> the 'tower' pointed upwards .. there's no convention for 'up' in a space
> foto .. 'up' is whichever way looks better.
>
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history & more!
>     http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for it
>  to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose its
>          own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Jul  5 19:22:01 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:22:01 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <4C2E9553.9070502@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <DFDCDAC88A2F4EBFA4ABCC381C9F961D@Michael>

Better out there than down here!

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> Sent: Saturday, 3 July 2010 11:42 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
> 
> Edwin Scribner wrote:
> >
> > http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap100624.html
> 
> Thanks Ted!
> 
> It would have been even more impressive if they had oriented
> the image
> so the 'tower' pointed upwards .. there's no convention for
> 'up' in a
> space foto .. 'up' is whichever way looks better.
> 
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history &
> more!
>       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for
> it
>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
> its
>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Mon Jul  5 19:28:14 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 19:28:14 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <4C2B1AA9.9090908@roots-boots.net>
Message-ID: <ACB69C215F244884AE691D67E0096A3A@Michael>

David,

You should write a paper on the genetic theories of Middle-earth. Why would
there need to be a different theory for the origin of orcs though, depending
on whether Morgoth was/is real?

By the way, I'm looking for the perfect quote from one of Tolkien's works
for the Seminar programme. Something to do with travel, journeys etc. I have
several already, including 'the Road goes ever on and on..." quote, but I
was hoping for one that is less well known.

Any suggestions will be welcome!

Thanks
Michael  

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Marayong
> Sent: Wednesday, 30 June 2010 8:21 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> Michael Kennedy wrote:
> > It makes me wonder about Middle-earth genetics. I would
> speculate that the
> > Elves had the most limited gene pool, and perhaps this goes
> some ways to
> > explaining some of their physical attributes. On the side of
> the coin it's a
> > wonder some of them didn't experience the odd occasion of
> luxation....
> 
> A limited gene pool would have two effects ... initially it
> would lead
> to a whole mass of genetic disorders. Most of these would not
> be viable
> in the long term and after a sufficient number of generations
> these bad
> genes would be weeded out of the gene pool. Of course, some
> mutations
> would be viable and would result in a number of sub-species and
> possibly
> even different species. That's evolution after all. Morgoth
> aside, this
> could explain the origin of orcs as a sub-species of elves ..
> actually,
> orcs are often depicted as having a multitude of appearances,
> all less
> than appealing. Perhaps orcs are merely the elven genetic
> defectives
> resulting from a too-small gene pool? And akin to ancient
> societies who
> abandoned unwanted children out in the wilds (or wherever),
> perhaps the
> elven defectives were abandoned ... somewhere .. and collected
> by fellow
> defectives and raised as .. orcs. Of course some would be
> fertile (some
> not), so the 'defectives' would be a self-sustaining sub-
> species. But
> not a distinct species since there would be a continual influx
> of new
> 'defectives' from the elven parent race.
> 
> But what of Morgoth? One could argue that if ME is analogous to
> Earth,
> then Morgoth was merely a figment of mythology, hence a
> different origin
> for the orcs would be required. Perhaps humans, dwarves &
> hobbits were
> also sub-species, albeit ones that were less disfigured. After
> all,
> elves & humans could interbreed & produce fertile offspring, so
> they
> were the same species.
> 
> Oh, and the long term effect would be to weed out faulty genes
> and
> eventually you'd have a very small gene pool for the race, with
> very
> little variation ... every member would effectively be a
> biological
> clone, at least in terms of genetic variability (or lack
> thereof). With
> few, if any, faulty genes left, the usual problem with close
> kin having
> issue would no longer be a problem.
> 
> cheers,
> David
> --
> Line dancing, Genealogy, Travel, Photography, Local history &
> more!
>       http://roots-boots.net     mailto:dragon at roots-boots.net
> The greatest tragedy that could overcome a country would be for
> it
>   to fight a successful war in defence of liberty and to lose
> its
>            own liberty in the process" - Robert Menzies
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Jul  5 20:33:06 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:33:06 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <ACB69C215F244884AE691D67E0096A3A@Michael>
Message-ID: <358342.1339.qm@web36706.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

You've already used "?You step into the Road, and if you don't keep your 
feet, there is no knowing where you might be swept off to.?? of course, but I'll keep in mind that you're looking for something more. 

My first thought was "journeys end in lovers meeting", but unfortunately Shakespeare has already used it (he got all the best stuff before others were born).

No fairy dust up here so far, not even for the Fairy King, but I took over 50 shots around Cradle Mountain Lodge in Tassie. Let me know if you want to look at some of them - I have them on a free website.

--- On Mon, 5/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


David,

You should write a paper on the genetic theories of Middle-earth. Why would
there need to be a different theory for the origin of orcs though, depending
on whether Morgoth was/is real?

By the way, I'm looking for the perfect quote from one of Tolkien's works
for the Seminar programme. Something to do with travel, journeys etc. I have
several already, including 'the Road goes ever on and on..." quote, but I
was hoping for one that is less well known.

Any suggestions will be welcome!

Thanks
Michael? 




      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Jul  5 20:39:52 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:39:52 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikJMmAOQi2GtaJUzjLeJFDGgQafpxschWxikkfK@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566650.39604.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Shakespeare beat you to that one too, Jeff (see my previous bit of fairly ordinary repartee).

--- On Mon, 5/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

I too saw this......there is more in heaven and earth.....
jeff





      

From krenon at y7mail.com  Mon Jul  5 20:43:04 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Mon, 5 Jul 2010 03:43:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <ACB69C215F244884AE691D67E0096A3A@Michael>
Message-ID: <950454.39604.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

There was once a paper in a quite eminent journal concerning the density of monsters in Loch Ness, so I suppose some journal would take a paper on genetics of elves, dwarves etc.

--- On Mon, 5/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


David,

You should write a paper on the genetic theories of Middle-earth. Why would
there need to be a different theory for the origin of orcs though, depending
on whether Morgoth was/is real?





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Jul  7 10:20:09 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:20:09 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <950454.39604.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <ACB69C215F244884AE691D67E0096A3A@Michael>
	<950454.39604.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinMz_JlS8czvsd2tI65pKSam5XSx_dUPGbHyAka@mail.gmail.com>

Re the density of Loch Ness monsters etc....
Well they must be quite dense....why would thry gotten themslves discovered
other wise?

Re Con at Pascoe Vale Hotel and white Screens et al.....
The said venue was visited by Our Man in Brunnie this am......he ascertained
that our booking is solid....for the Saturday 26th August...if this is not
right please inform the dill imejiately....he's been distracted of late.
Now Mike...there is No white screen.....only a white board.....my opinion is
that it will be too shiny for projection......thinks ...we need a
screen..thinks...the wall is a cream or whitey cream....may not be suitable
either......do you carry a screen in ya pocket?
If not I will steal one from some school....He goes and sees either or both
of his daughters.
So the boy who showed me the room again said that he would report to The
Manager........tell him Jeff Lynch was here....I saw the booking with my own
lovely greyish eyes...ist gut.
Alles gut!
jeff

On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> There was once a paper in a quite eminent journal concerning the density of
> monsters in Loch Ness, so I suppose some journal would take a paper on
> genetics of elves, dwarves etc.
>
> --- On Mon, 5/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>
>
> David,
>
> You should write a paper on the genetic theories of Middle-earth. Why would
> there need to be a different theory for the origin of orcs though,
> depending
> on whether Morgoth was/is real?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
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>

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sat Jul 10 17:29:31 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 17:29:31 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinMz_JlS8czvsd2tI65pKSam5XSx_dUPGbHyAka@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <28631697FABD40B1B5D4E2195030BD0B@Michael>

That day is spot on Jeff! I can't quite believe that we are about six weeks
away.

I will be ringing PV again shortly to confirm details about lunch. As
discussed in a previous e-mil, let me know how you get on with the
screen/projector.

To break up the presentations we may also be running a quiz. I Haven't
determined the prize but possibly an Aussie red (no...not Gillard).

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Lynch
> Sent: Wednesday, 7 July 2010 10:20 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> Re the density of Loch Ness monsters etc....
> Well they must be quite dense....why would thry gotten
> themslves discovered
> other wise?
> 
> Re Con at Pascoe Vale Hotel and white Screens et al.....
> The said venue was visited by Our Man in Brunnie this
> am......he ascertained
> that our booking is solid....for the Saturday 26th August...if
> this is not
> right please inform the dill imejiately....he's been distracted
> of late.
> Now Mike...there is No white screen.....only a white
> board.....my opinion is
> that it will be too shiny for projection......thinks ...we need
> a
> screen..thinks...the wall is a cream or whitey cream....may not
> be suitable
> either......do you carry a screen in ya pocket?
> If not I will steal one from some school....He goes and sees
> either or both
> of his daughters.
> So the boy who showed me the room again said that he would
> report to The
> Manager........tell him Jeff Lynch was here....I saw the
> booking with my own
> lovely greyish eyes...ist gut.
> Alles gut!
> jeff
> 
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Edwin Scribner
> <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:
> 
> > There was once a paper in a quite eminent journal concerning
> the density of
> > monsters in Loch Ness, so I suppose some journal would take a
> paper on
> > genetics of elves, dwarves etc.
> >
> > --- On Mon, 5/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >
> > David,
> >
> > You should write a paper on the genetic theories of Middle-
> earth. Why would
> > there need to be a different theory for the origin of orcs
> though,
> > depending
> > on whether Morgoth was/is real?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >  _______________________________________________
> > List mailing list
> > List at tolharndor.org
> > http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org
> >
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Jul 11 09:18:11 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:18:11 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <28631697FABD40B1B5D4E2195030BD0B@Michael>
Message-ID: <383755.39694.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Michael, I still don't know whether you want 20 minutes or 45 minutes from me.

--- On Sat, 10/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:

That day is spot on Jeff! I can't quite believe that we are about six weeks
away.

I will be ringing PV again shortly to confirm details about lunch. As
discussed in a previous e-mil, let me know how you get on with the
screen/projector.

To break up the presentations we may also be running a quiz. I Haven't
determined the prize but possibly an Aussie red (no...not Gillard).





      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sun Jul 11 13:36:26 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 13:36:26 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <383755.39694.qm@web36704.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <8B3ACC2C6B764C318BF09196755DEA91@Michael>

Hi Ted,

Sorry about that. If you can work towards your 45 minute option I will be
able to fit that into the timetable. Does this include question time or
would you like a few minutes extra for that?

Michael

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Sunday, 11 July 2010 9:18 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
> 
> Michael, I still don't know whether you want 20 minutes or 45
> minutes from me.
> 
> --- On Sat, 10/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> That day is spot on Jeff! I can't quite believe that we are
> about six weeks
> away.
> 
> I will be ringing PV again shortly to confirm details about
> lunch. As
> discussed in a previous e-mil, let me know how you get on with
> the
> screen/projector.
> 
> To break up the presentations we may also be running a quiz. I
> Haven't
> determined the prize but possibly an Aussie red (no...not
> Gillard).
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> List mailing list
> List at tolharndor.org
> http://tolharndor.org/mailman/listinfo/list_tolharndor.org





From krenon at y7mail.com  Sun Jul 11 15:28:24 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 22:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Blackheath in LotR
In-Reply-To: <8B3ACC2C6B764C318BF09196755DEA91@Michael>
Message-ID: <819210.78747.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>



--- On Sun, 11/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
>From what I recall, your options were 30 minutes: 20 for presentation and 10 for questions; and 60 minutes: 45 for presentation and 15 for questions. I might wind up after 10 minutes questioning and/or even reduce the presentation to, say, 40 minutes if you're getting behind time.


Hi Ted,

Sorry about that. If you can work towards your 45 minute option I will be
able to fit that into the timetable. Does this include question time or
would you like a few minutes extra for that?

Michael





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Jul 22 09:42:10 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 09:42:10 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <509614.71107.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimlu0AGgKOqa4YozqBVgsI8vkLlOkkOFjdX1Xg3@mail.gmail.com>
	<509614.71107.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimmkKM7UX0kymEui0Dbi342eM-s1lHnLoQUMUBz@mail.gmail.com>

Edwin!
A couple of things...tell me have you settled on accomodation in Melbourne
as yet?

Secondly for all.....I am about to ask my older daughter Karen...if she
would like to assist (us) at the con....she is also a LIT type of person who
might entertain notions unreachable or unknown to any of us...(see Dr
Lynch). for instance K is on the panel in Vic which chooses those  books
State education kids will read (officially) at certain levels.....
She may may say NO...she may say yes.....she would be a v highly qualified
door-person.
(A bit like David really.)
jeff

From krenon at y7mail.com  Thu Jul 22 18:08:37 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:08:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimmkKM7UX0kymEui0Dbi342eM-s1lHnLoQUMUBz@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <582411.43682.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Jeff. We've got accommodation from Thursday 2 September to Tuesday 7 September (the duration of Aussiecon 4) at Holiday Inn on Flinders Lane. We have train tickets from Sydney to Melbourne on Thursday 26 August and Melbourne to Sydney on Tuesday 7 September. We're looking for somewhere to stay from 26 August to 2 September. I'd like somewhere within easy reach of the city by public transport (but not in the city) and with good public transport to Pascoe Vale on the Saturday - the latter for me; Ros will have other plans no doubt.

Some time between 29 August and 2 September we would like to travel around the perimeter of Port Philip Bay, going down the Mornington Peninsula, crossing the Bay then coming back via Geelong. Any help appreciated.

Regarding your daughter: I think that's Michael's call. Your plan sounds good to me.

--- On Thu, 22/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Edwin!
A couple of things...tell me have you settled on accomodation in Melbourne
as yet?

Secondly for all.....I am about to ask my older daughter Karen...if she
would like to assist (us) at the con....she is also a LIT type of person who
might entertain notions unreachable or unknown to any of us...(see Dr
Lynch). for instance K is on the panel in Vic which chooses those? books
State education kids will read (officially) at certain levels.....
She may may say NO...she may say yes.....she would be a v highly qualified
door-person.
(A bit like David really.)
jeff
_______________________________________________




      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Fri Jul 23 09:56:44 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 09:56:44 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <582411.43682.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTimmkKM7UX0kymEui0Dbi342eM-s1lHnLoQUMUBz@mail.gmail.com>
	<582411.43682.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTilj2iPi5nPdMzG-ruWsdsCzTRv3vKRKRhmH9pyy@mail.gmail.com>

Ok Ted...what about my suggestion to stay in Royal Parade Parkvile...tis the
city side of Brunswick...ONLY..short tram ride to city and in reach of
Brunswick and Carlton...Sydney Rd Brunswick is a Gasser these days...believe
me...I know that is hard!
jeff
PS as I said I could pick you up by car to take you to our con (from
Parkville)...love j
On Thu, Jul 22, 2010 at 6:08 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jeff. We've got accommodation from Thursday 2 September to Tuesday 7
> September (the duration of Aussiecon 4) at Holiday Inn on Flinders Lane. We
> have train tickets from Sydney to Melbourne on Thursday 26 August and
> Melbourne to Sydney on Tuesday 7 September. We're looking for somewhere to
> stay from 26 August to 2 September. I'd like somewhere within easy reach of
> the city by public transport (but not in the city) and with good public
> transport to Pascoe Vale on the Saturday - the latter for me; Ros will have
> other plans no doubt.
>
> Some time between 29 August and 2 September we would like to travel around
> the perimeter of Port Philip Bay, going down the Mornington Peninsula,
> crossing the Bay then coming back via Geelong. Any help appreciated.
>
> Regarding your daughter: I think that's Michael's call. Your plan sounds
> good to me.
>
> --- On Thu, 22/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Edwin!
> A couple of things...tell me have you settled on accomodation in Melbourne
> as yet?
>
> Secondly for all.....I am about to ask my older daughter Karen...if she
> would like to assist (us) at the con....she is also a LIT type of person
> who
> might entertain notions unreachable or unknown to any of us...(see Dr
> Lynch). for instance K is on the panel in Vic which chooses those  books
> State education kids will read (officially) at certain levels.....
> She may may say NO...she may say yes.....she would be a v highly qualified
> door-person.
> (A bit like David really.)
> jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Jul 23 10:53:09 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Thu, 22 Jul 2010 17:53:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilj2iPi5nPdMzG-ruWsdsCzTRv3vKRKRhmH9pyy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <206236.61626.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Thanks Jeff, I'll get back to you. We stayed not far from there last time we were in Melbourne.

Oh btw have you ever heard of Ani Clyde? She sings in various venues in Melbourne and she came to our little town once. She's a great entertainer. I'd like to catch her singing somewhere in Melbourne when we're there.

--- On Fri, 23/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Ok Ted...what about my suggestion to stay in Royal Parade Parkvile...tis the
city side of Brunswick...ONLY..short tram ride to city and in reach of
Brunswick and Carlton...Sydney Rd Brunswick is a Gasser these days...believe
me...I know that is hard!
jeff
PS as I said I could pick you up by car to take you to our con (from
Parkville)...love j




      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Fri Jul 23 17:13:57 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 17:13:57 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <582411.43682.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <9DE088B18F9341168A1F6AAEDD6B973A@Michael>

Jeff,

Karen is more than welcome to come along in any guise she desires.

Ted, I may be staying at the very same hotel for the Seminar as I will
almost certainly have a hire car. Depending on times etc. I may be able to
offer you a ride on the Saturday. Not that I've booked anything yet as I'm
still working out when I will fly down. Most likely the Friday afternoon

For your records, my mobile phone number is 0406420751.

Michael
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Thursday, 22 July 2010 6:09 PM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
> 
> Hi Jeff. We've got accommodation from Thursday 2 September to
> Tuesday 7 September (the duration of Aussiecon 4) at Holiday
> Inn on Flinders Lane. We have train tickets from Sydney to
> Melbourne on Thursday 26 August and Melbourne to Sydney on
> Tuesday 7 September. We're looking for somewhere to stay from
> 26 August to 2 September. I'd like somewhere within easy reach
> of the city by public transport (but not in the city) and with
> good public transport to Pascoe Vale on the Saturday - the
> latter for me; Ros will have other plans no doubt.
> 
> Some time between 29 August and 2 September we would like to
> travel around the perimeter of Port Philip Bay, going down the
> Mornington Peninsula, crossing the Bay then coming back via
> Geelong. Any help appreciated.
> 
> Regarding your daughter: I think that's Michael's call. Your
> plan sounds good to me.
> 
> --- On Thu, 22/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Edwin!
> A couple of things...tell me have you settled on accomodation
> in Melbourne
> as yet?
> 
> Secondly for all.....I am about to ask my older daughter
> Karen...if she
> would like to assist (us) at the con....she is also a LIT type
> of person who
> might entertain notions unreachable or unknown to any of
> us...(see Dr
> Lynch). for instance K is on the panel in Vic which chooses
> those? books
> State education kids will read (officially) at certain
> levels.....
> She may may say NO...she may say yes.....she would be a v
> highly qualified
> door-person.
> (A bit like David really.)
> jeff
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Fri Jul 23 20:44:25 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2010 03:44:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
Message-ID: <391819.29908.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi Michael. You wrote:

>Karen is more than welcome to come along in any guise she desires.

Seconded. All in favour say aye, to the contrary no, I think the ayes have it. :)

>Ted, I may be staying at the very same hotel for the Seminar as I will
almost certainly have a hire car. Depending on times etc. I may be able to
offer you a ride on the Saturday. Not that I've booked anything yet as I'm
still working out when I will fly down. Most likely the Friday afternoon

Princes Park? That's the one I intend to book into. $120-$130 per night. I'd be very much obliged if you can give me a lift.

>For your records, my mobile phone number is 0406420751.

Thanks. Actually I have a mobile number for you somewhere but I'll make sure I know where this one is. My mobile is 0406 258237.

Did you get an "obligatory travelogue of overseas adventures" from Richard Harland? Sounds like he had a ball.

Cheers

Ted



      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Sat Jul 24 08:44:40 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2010 08:44:40 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] Barad-Dur in space
In-Reply-To: <391819.29908.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <391819.29908.qm@web36702.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=bubOF7D1t2m9FKZ3oJUN03EGxQqeFTuGJvZfw@mail.gmail.com>

THe Princes Park was my home away from home during a certain crisis some 23
months back...I know the manager...an Indian chap...loves his cricket
Michael....and is nearer to Brunswick than Carlton....which is just down the
road....well done.
jeff
PS I have not yet asked Karen.

On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 8:44 PM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> Hi Michael. You wrote:
>
> >Karen is more than welcome to come along in any guise she desires.
>
> Seconded. All in favour say aye, to the contrary no, I think the ayes have
> it. :)
>
> >Ted, I may be staying at the very same hotel for the Seminar as I will
> almost certainly have a hire car. Depending on times etc. I may be able to
> offer you a ride on the Saturday. Not that I've booked anything yet as I'm
> still working out when I will fly down. Most likely the Friday afternoon
>
> Princes Park? That's the one I intend to book into. $120-$130 per night.
> I'd be very much obliged if you can give me a lift.
>
> >For your records, my mobile phone number is 0406420751.
>
> Thanks. Actually I have a mobile number for you somewhere but I'll make
> sure I know where this one is. My mobile is 0406 258237.
>
> Did you get an "obligatory travelogue of overseas adventures" from Richard
> Harland? Sounds like he had a ball.
>
> Cheers
>
> Ted
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Jul 28 10:38:25 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 17:38:25 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
Message-ID: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The NASA web page

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/27jul_spacequakes/

includes a cute little poem:

Rumbles without sound

      Auroras rain down

      Magnetic fields shake

      Beware the spacequake

This is about so called "spacequakes", which apparently have to do with the Earth's magnetic field. The style of that poem, however, reminded me of several poems from LotR, notably Gollum's "fish" poem and Sam's "oliphaunt" poem. Coincidence or is someone at NASA tipping his hat to JRRT?

Cheers

Eadwine



      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Wed Jul 28 11:32:18 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 11:32:18 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-2cspWtjRjzuBc4-p7CW1Lz1WB3b7N7g4vNfe@mail.gmail.com>

Ah poems by scientists, now that's cute.
One would think that they don't give a ....
by jeff

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 10:38 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> The NASA web page
>
>
> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2010/27jul_spacequakes/
>
> includes a cute little poem:
>
> Rumbles without sound
>
>      Auroras rain down
>
>      Magnetic fields shake
>
>      Beware the spacequake
>
> This is about so called "spacequakes", which apparently have to do with the
> Earth's magnetic field. The style of that poem, however, reminded me of
> several poems from LotR, notably Gollum's "fish" poem and Sam's "oliphaunt"
> poem. Coincidence or is someone at NASA tipping his hat to JRRT?
>
> Cheers
>
> Eadwine
>
>
>
>
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Wed Jul 28 11:42:05 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:42:05 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTin-2cspWtjRjzuBc4-p7CW1Lz1WB3b7N7g4vNfe@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <235927.71635.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

The last word being "shoot", to rhyme with "cute"? I know two ladies who live in Santa Rosa CA, USA, and they use the term "shoot" as a euphemism for "sh*t".

--- On Wed, 28/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:

Ah poems by scientists, now that's cute.
One would think that they don't give a ....
by jeff





      

From jeffreyblynch at gmail.com  Thu Jul 29 11:56:54 2010
From: jeffreyblynch at gmail.com (Jeff Lynch)
Date: Thu, 29 Jul 2010 03:56:54 +0200
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <235927.71635.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <AANLkTin-2cspWtjRjzuBc4-p7CW1Lz1WB3b7N7g4vNfe@mail.gmail.com>
	<235927.71635.qm@web36705.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=qFV3AF1FRW2WFXKgnTgxghk9=+duju_wCccjo@mail.gmail.com>

yeah but that ain't it Ted is it?!
jeff

On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 3:42 AM, Edwin Scribner <krenon at y7mail.com> wrote:

> The last word being "shoot", to rhyme with "cute"? I know two ladies who
> live in Santa Rosa CA, USA, and they use the term "shoot" as a euphemism for
> "sh*t".
>
> --- On Wed, 28/7/10, Jeff Lynch <jeffreyblynch at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Ah poems by scientists, now that's cute.
> One would think that they don't give a ....
> by jeff
>
>
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From mlk at activ8.net.au  Fri Jul 30 16:36:49 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:36:49 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <170543.54460.qm@web36708.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>

It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org [mailto:list-
> bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Wednesday, 28 July 2010 10:38 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
> 
> The NASA web page
> 
> http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-
> nasa/2010/27jul_spacequakes/
> 
> includes a cute little poem:
> 
> Rumbles without sound
> 
>       Auroras rain down
> 
>       Magnetic fields shake
> 
>       Beware the spacequake
> 
> This is about so called "spacequakes", which apparently have to
> do with the Earth's magnetic field. The style of that poem,
> however, reminded me of several poems from LotR, notably
> Gollum's "fish" poem and Sam's "oliphaunt" poem. Coincidence or
> is someone at NASA tipping his hat to JRRT?
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Eadwine
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From krenon at y7mail.com  Sat Jul 31 08:27:12 2010
From: krenon at y7mail.com (Edwin Scribner)
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2010 15:27:12 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <12FABE7461A34DFC919EACFD040BA5E4@Michael>
Message-ID: <171137.80957.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

My first reaction to that is that if he was he shouldn't be influenced by Sauron's One Ring. That is, of course, arguable.


--- On Fri, 30/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:


It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.





      

From mlk at activ8.net.au  Sat Jul 31 18:06:13 2010
From: mlk at activ8.net.au (Michael Kennedy)
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:06:13 +1000
Subject: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
In-Reply-To: <171137.80957.qm@web36701.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <C6A5D45C279D496B83AA81C693DED178@Michael>

A fair point actually. The assumption being that one not of Arda would more
than likely not come under the influence of 'earthly' powers. Of course,
Sauron was in existence before Arda so perhaps his influence would be
universal, even multi-universal.

"Not all those who wander are lost" I thought this may be a perfectly apt
quote for the 'Odyssey' Seminar booklet. Would you agree?    

> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at tolharndor.org 
> [mailto:list-bounces at tolharndor.org] On Behalf Of Edwin Scribner
> Sent: Saturday, 31 July 2010 8:27 AM
> To: Tol Harndor - Australian Tolkien Society
> Subject: Re: [TolHarndor] NASA poem - LOTR inspired?
> 
> My first reaction to that is that if he was he shouldn't be 
> influenced by Sauron's One Ring. That is, of course, arguable.
> 
> 
> --- On Fri, 30/7/10, Michael Kennedy <mlk at activ8.net.au> wrote:
> 
> 
> It does raise the possibility that Gollum was in fact an ET.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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